Am i fully protected?


bryan123

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So i recently installed 11 on my laptop a few weeks ago. I only have defender on it. Is that enough protection? I dont mind paying for premium protection as well as long as my laptop is fully protected.

Also does anyone know whats going on with this KB2267602 update? Its related to defender. It keeps showing up in windows update and updates and then comes back like later on.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer
So i recently installed 11 on my laptop a few weeks ago. I only have defender on it. Is that enough protection? I dont mind paying for premium protection as well as long as my laptop is fully protected.

Also does anyone know whats going on with this KB2267602 update? Its related to defender. It keeps showing up in windows update and updates and then comes back like later on.


Most folk end up using Windows Defender and Malwarebytes (free or paid), for a 2nd opinion.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22631.3880 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
It rather depends - you hear lots of opinions for and against but a lot of the negative opinion is based on opinions of years ago. Recent reviews say it is as good as anything else.

In truth, the largest factor for getting infected with malware is human error e.g. clicking links without thinking, visiting dodgy websites.

A lot here also download malwarebytes and use it offline (frre of offline) periodically scanning pc say weekly as a backup to Defender.

I use Defender and never had an infection for years but I suspect main teason is I take care when surfing.

Having said that I almost fell foul of a very realistic email that was spoofing my enery supplier, and it was asking me to login to pay my latest electricity bill, but somethinh did not ring true - the wording was a bit unpolished. I deleted the email, and went online via my installed app, and sure enough, there was no demand for any payment albeit one was due soon.

My point is that no package in the world can protect you against that sort of thing, only your brain.

The other thing I do is make regular image backups so if pc ever gets ransomed or fata is attacked, I can just wipe pc and get back to a good state in less than an hour.

I actually think some people buy expensive packages which only realy give a marginal benefit but then STOP thinking as they get lulled into a false sense of security.

In the end, you have to judge what protection suits you, but ALWAYS use your brain and develop mitigation strategies in case things go wrong.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
Also does anyone know whats going on with this KB2267602 update? Its related to defender. It keeps showing up in windows update and updates and then comes back like later on.
Defender is all I use, and I've had nothing get past it yet.

KB2267602 is for the virus definitions it uses. These get updated at least once a day, so it's completely normal to see that update frequently. It means your protection is being kept up to date.
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
I only have defender on it.
I'm only used Defender, and no other third-party AVs.
As of now, I didn't have any malwares on my system

KB2267602 is a anti-malware definition update, because Defender is a cloud-based anti-malware, it would have definition updates once a day.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    EndeavourOS, Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom PC
    CPU
    Core i5 8400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B360M-HD3
    Memory
    8gb DDR4-2400
    Graphics Card(s)
    iGPU
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    some generic 1080p 75hz monitor * 2
    Screen Resolution
    1080p * 2
    Hard Drives
    GIGABYTE NVMe SSD 256GB (GP-GSM2NE3256GNTD)
    Internet Speed
    200MBit/s
    Antivirus
    WD
I have been using Windows Defender for years. I did download Free Malwarebytes but run it very seldom anymore. I feel Defender is a very good protection program.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Huawei Matebook X Pro
    CPU
    intel 8250 I5
    Memory
    8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    intel uhd 620
    Monitor(s) Displays
    built in laptop display
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1280
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Evo 500gb M2
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer A515-43-R6DE
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7300U
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Raedon RX Vega graphics onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15"6 FHD IPS Slim Bezel
    Hard Drives
    512cb PCie NVME SSD
    Case
    Pure Silver
    Mouse
    Touchpad and Logitech external mouse
    Keyboard
    Inbuilt
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
I have always been a belt & suspenders kind of guy...I use Bitdefender and Malwarebytes. To make my selection on what AV to use I check AV Comparatives for their evaluation. If you like to use 3rd party evaluations you can check their test results at the following site;
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Professional
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microcenter B677
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-9400
    Motherboard
    ASRock H310CM-HDV/M.2
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Intel Kaby Lake - High Definition Audio / cAVS (Audio, Voice, Speech) [A0]
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Model: GSM59F1
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1080
    Case
    Lian Li 205M
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky AV
In the past, I have used Norton, Kaspersky, AVG, McAffee and Avast, but now only have Defender and the free Malwarebytes. I do frequent scans with both, and the WD offline every week. I have higher than average security settings, such as no passwords remembered and I don't mind logging in to everything used each time the pc's are switched on. Added security from TPM and secure boot are welcome on my W11 machines.
Should you still want a paid for security suite, spend a little time checking out prices, which seem to vary greatly for the same thing, some prices are also for multiple pc's, or for more than a year which can be attractive.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    W11 pro beta
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    home built
    CPU
    Athlon 3000G
    Motherboard
    Asrock A320M-HDV r4.0
    Memory
    16Gb Crucial DDR4 2400
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard cpu
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560-1440
    Hard Drives
    WD black SN750 M2 500Gb
    PSU
    500W Seasonic core 80+gold non modular
    Case
    Fractal Design Define R2
    Cooling
    front 2 x 120mm rear 100mm stock psu
    Internet Speed
    135/20
    Browser
    Firefox and edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Security and free Malwarebytes
  • Operating System
    W11 pro 64 beta (from W10 pro system builder pack)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5700G
    Motherboard
    MSI B450 tomahawk max II
    Memory
    4 x 8Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    onboard cpu
    Sound Card
    motherboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 21.5" IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    WD 1Tb Black M2 SN850X on Asus hyper M2 X16 max V2 card
    PSU
    Be Quiet 400 semi modular 80+gold
    Case
    Coolermaster Silencio 650
    Cooling
    140mm front, 120 rear Akasa Vegas Chroma AM
    Internet Speed
    135/20
    Browser
    edge/Firefox
    Antivirus
    WD plus Malwarebytes free
I agree with most of the posts on this thread. I use McAfee, which I get as part of my internet service with my ISP. in the past, I've gotten by with just Windows Defender and Malware Bytes. I recommend making regular backups and disk images just in case you do get hit with malware or ransomware.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 3793
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 1065G7 @ 1.30GHz Ice Lake 10th Generation
    Motherboard
    Dell Inc. 0V996R
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus Graphics with shared graphics memory
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Laptop Display 17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    512 GB M.2, NVMe SSD boot, 1 TB SATA SSD data drive .
    Internet Speed
    100 Mbs
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge / Firefox
    Antivirus
    F-Secure Security Suite
    Other Info
    Upgraded from Windows 10 to Win 11 on 10-21-21
    Upgraded to Win 11 22H2 on 9-20-22 (Clean Install)
    Upgraded to Win 11 23H2 on Halloween 2023
    Replaced original optical drive with a 1 GB SATA SSD
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 3910
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700 processor (12-Core, 25M Cache, 2.1GHz to 4.8GHz)
    Motherboard
    Dell 0KHP4K
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 770 with shared graphics memory
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell 27" Monitor S2721DS,
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2560 x 1440 @ 75 Hz
    Hard Drives
    1TB M.2, PCIe NVMe, SSD
    Internet Speed
    100 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    F-Secure Security Suite
    Other Info
    Bought in November 2022
    Updated to 23H2 10-31-23
Bearing in mind there is no such thing as "fully protected". The moment you connect to the internet, or connect an external device, you're vulnerable.

Practice safe computing first, then rely on software to add that extra level of protection, but don't be lulled into a false sense of security by commercial hype.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 22H2 (latest update ... forever anal)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Slim S01
    CPU
    Intel i5-12400
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GT730
    Sound Card
    OOBE
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 32"
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    512GB KIOXIA NVMe
    1TB SATA SSD
    PSU
    OOBE
    Case
    OOBE
    Cooling
    OOBE
    Keyboard
    BT
    Mouse
    BT
    Browser
    Brave FFox Chrome Opera
    Antivirus
    KIS
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro (latest upadte ... anally always)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavillion 15
    CPU
    i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Hard Drives
    Samsung NVMe 512GB
    + numerous/multiple SSD Type C USB enclosures
    Internet Speed
    NBN FTTN 50
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    KIS
Bearing in mind there is no such thing as "fully protected". The moment you connect to the internet, or connect an external device, you're vulnerable.

Practice safe computing first, then rely on software to add that extra level of protection, but don't be lulled into a false sense of security by commercial hype.
This 👆 As said many times before, the most effective AV exists between the chair and the keyboard
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro Beta, 11 Dev, W11 Canary
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Alienware M15 Ryzen Edition R6
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen™ 9 5900HX
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070 8GB GDDR6
    Hard Drives
    1 x Samsung 980 Pro 1TB
    1 x Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB
I agree that using good practices with the software you choose or the websites you visit is the best way to stay safe, but nothing is 100%. Many antivirus programs use cloud services. I personally don't want samples of all of my files or filenames being logged on some companies cloud server. It may sound paranoid, but being "connected" shouldn't mean you give up all privacy. I use a firewall program (there are many) that asks before I allow a program access to the internet. Windows itself sends out a lot of data to it's servers, most of which does not benefit me. Same with many of my programs. I understand the need for updates, but other then that I don't think my word processor or photo viewer need to send anything over the internet unless I tell it to. I just assume doing manual updates for some of my programs.

Anyway, safe computing should be thought of both what comes into your computer and also what goes out.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
So i recently installed 11 on my laptop a few weeks ago. I only have defender on it. Is that enough protection? I dont mind paying for premium protection as well as long as my laptop is fully protected.

Also does anyone know whats going on with this KB2267602 update? Its related to defender. It keeps showing up in windows update and updates and then comes back like later on.
These days paying for protection is actually bringing you the option to burn your computer for crypto mining.

I'm quite happy with Defender and Windows Firewall set to block all incoming and outgoing connections by default, whitelisting only those that need access for core functionality.

My browsers are configured with maximum security and I use browser compartmentalization as well as multiple profiles within each browser to minimize tracking.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy dv7
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 3630QM
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4000 & Nvidia GeForce GT 635M
    Sound Card
    IDT High Definition
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Crucial MX500 on bay 1.
    1 TB Seagate HDD on bay 2.
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
I agree with @TheMystic except about crypto mining.
One advantage of paid AV it does offer a cleaning and maintenance program built in. You would have to research that.
Defender has come on a lot in recent years and many people are more than happy with it.
Common sense as well is good with any AV
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware M18 R1
    CPU
    13th Gen Core i9 13900HX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5 @4800MHz 2x16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Geforce RTX 4090HX 16GB
    Sound Card
    Nvidia HD / Realtek ALC3254
    Monitor(s) Displays
    18" QHD+
    Screen Resolution
    25660 X 1600
    Hard Drives
    C: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    D: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    Case
    Dark Metallic Moon
    Keyboard
    Alienware M Series per-key AlienFX RGB
    Mouse
    Alienware AW610M
    Browser
    Chrome and Firefox
    Antivirus
    Norton
    Other Info
    Killer E3000 Ethernet Controller
    Killer Killer AX1690 Wi-Fi Network Adaptor Wi-Fi 6E
    Bluetooth 5.2
    Alienware Z01G Graphic Amplifier
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware Area 51m R2
    CPU
    10th Gen i-9 10900 K
    Memory
    32Gb Dual Channel DDR4 @ 8843MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia RTX 2080 Super
    Sound Card
    Nvidia
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Hard Drive C: Samsung 2TB SSD PM981a NVMe
    Hard Drive D:Samsung 2TB SSD 970 EVO Plus
    Mouse
    Alienware 610M
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Norton
I agree with @TheMystic except about crypto mining.
There are a known and proven number of anti-malware programs that include crypto mining, by default. Unless the user is aware of which ones, and then how to disable, that facility is off and running on the users device.

The biggest problem is that the main ones using this facility are the ones the inexperienced users are exposed to because of mass marketing, add-ons to other products during installation, spamming emails designed to scare, etc.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 22H2 (latest update ... forever anal)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Slim S01
    CPU
    Intel i5-12400
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GT730
    Sound Card
    OOBE
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 32"
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    512GB KIOXIA NVMe
    1TB SATA SSD
    PSU
    OOBE
    Case
    OOBE
    Cooling
    OOBE
    Keyboard
    BT
    Mouse
    BT
    Browser
    Brave FFox Chrome Opera
    Antivirus
    KIS
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro (latest upadte ... anally always)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavillion 15
    CPU
    i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Hard Drives
    Samsung NVMe 512GB
    + numerous/multiple SSD Type C USB enclosures
    Internet Speed
    NBN FTTN 50
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    KIS
@idgat There has been many threads on the subject of crypto mining.
Just to tell you that. Only some versions with big GPU's 6GB or more can do it. Not all versions of the AV programs offer it. It cannot be turned on by anyone except the user. the executable can be deleted. Crypto mining is just not understood by most people and cause them to jump to all sorts of wrong conclusions.
I am not going to comment further as this topic has been done to death.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware M18 R1
    CPU
    13th Gen Core i9 13900HX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5 @4800MHz 2x16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Geforce RTX 4090HX 16GB
    Sound Card
    Nvidia HD / Realtek ALC3254
    Monitor(s) Displays
    18" QHD+
    Screen Resolution
    25660 X 1600
    Hard Drives
    C: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    D: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    Case
    Dark Metallic Moon
    Keyboard
    Alienware M Series per-key AlienFX RGB
    Mouse
    Alienware AW610M
    Browser
    Chrome and Firefox
    Antivirus
    Norton
    Other Info
    Killer E3000 Ethernet Controller
    Killer Killer AX1690 Wi-Fi Network Adaptor Wi-Fi 6E
    Bluetooth 5.2
    Alienware Z01G Graphic Amplifier
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware Area 51m R2
    CPU
    10th Gen i-9 10900 K
    Memory
    32Gb Dual Channel DDR4 @ 8843MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia RTX 2080 Super
    Sound Card
    Nvidia
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Hard Drive C: Samsung 2TB SSD PM981a NVMe
    Hard Drive D:Samsung 2TB SSD 970 EVO Plus
    Mouse
    Alienware 610M
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Norton
@idgat There has been many threads on the subject of crypto mining.
Just to tell you that. Only some versions with big GPU's 6GB or more can do it. Not all versions of the AV programs offer it. It cannot be turned on by anyone except the user. the executable can be deleted. Crypto mining is just not understood by most people and cause them to jump to all sorts of wrong conclusions.
I am not going to comment further as this topic has been done to death.
If someone wanted to mine, Who in they're right mind would think oh yeah lets use my AV company xD!
You can mine with CPU,GPU And even SSD'S now, Albeit the GPU mining is probably the only one worth bothering with and even then. 6gb for a gpu is faily below standard now in that term, Wouldn't even sniff a GPU with less than 8gb and even then in todays standards thats in the middle of going upwards too.
Mining eth or something will give you some good fun and a little extra dough but you're ideally looking at a mining rig with several gpu's to make it worth you're while.
Crypto mining was so 3 years ago and people are only just coming to the table now.
Missed the seat when no one wanted it.
 

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I have always been a belt & suspenders kind of guy...I use Bitdefender and Malwarebytes. To make my selection on what AV to use I check AV Comparatives for their evaluation. If you like to use 3rd party evaluations you can check their test results at the following site;
Good job you are not a Brit as first sentence conjures up images not suitable for this forum LOL
 

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Good job you are not a Brit as first sentence conjures up images not suitable for this forum LOL
I thought they called those things the same everywhere 😂
 

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Crypto mining is just not understood by most people and cause them to jump to all sorts of wrong conclusions.
I am not going to comment further as this topic has been done to death.
I think your posts on the same are focused primarily on how Norton implemented it in its own product. Not all implementations are like that.

An antivirus or internet security suite is supposed to keep the system running very efficiently, using minimal resources and blocking all types of malware.

Crypto Mining defeats the 1st purpose. I can assure you the way Norton advertises it is pretty misleading. They are fully aware that over 90% (may be much higher) of their users will simply opt-in on the assumption that this is something good for them. The fact is the costs of mining are clearly not explained properly and Norton is misusing its role as a security solution provider by misleading its own customers.

While I understand you are not interested in discussing it further, It would help if someone can explain the fundamentals that drive the intrinsic value of all these crypto currencies.

As far as I understood, there is no intrinsic value. It is pure gambling. When a currency (assuming I can call it that) is volatile enough to see 2 or even 3 digit growth because Elon Musk made a one line tweet, it explains the whole story.
 

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