Event ID 86 - fTPM issues


BrianInEngland

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Back in October I enabled AMD fTPM in the BIOS for Windows 11 support. No problems since then, but last week I noticed an error in the event log every startup relating to AIK keys.

Context Local system
Url https://AMD-KeyId-578c545f796951421221a4a578acdb5f682f89c8.microsoftaik.azure.net/templates/Aik/scep
MessageText GetCACaps GetCACaps: Not Found {"Message":"The authority \"amd-keyid-578c545f796951421221a4a578acdb5f682f89c8.microsoftaik.azure.net\" does not exist."} HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 07:57:16 GMT Content-Length: 121 Content-Type: application/json; charset=utf-8 X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000;includeSubDomains x-ms-request-id: 90bcdf04-7b70-4fc4-b23a-4300dd438136
Method GET(234ms)
Stage GetCACaps
ErrorCode Not found (404). 0x80190194 (-2145844844 HTTP_E_STATUS_NOT_FOUND)


Doing some research I've seen a lot of reports of this error going back to September, and issues with PCs freezing/slowing down and even BSODs during use. Another PC here is having the same problem. I've only started having the problem in the last week or so (that I know of) and it has started to cause freezing during gameplay etc.

I've disabled the fTPM, Windows 11 still runs fine, I can still get updates. Since disabling it my PC seems smoother, no lagging/freezing or errors relating to AIK.

It seems that getting a physical TPM chip will solve the problem but they're impossible to get.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (RP channel)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Gigabyte
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5900X 12-core
    Motherboard
    X570 Aorus Xtreme
    Memory
    64GB Corsair Platinum RGB 3600MHz CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI Suprim X 3080 Ti
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG289Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 Pro 2TB
    Samsung 980 Pro 2TB
    Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB
    Samsung 870 Evo 4TB
    Samsung T7 Touch 1TB
    PSU
    Asus ROG Strix 1000W
    Case
    Corsair D750 Airflow
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15S
    Keyboard
    Asus ROG Flare
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    Logitech G903 with PowerPlay charger
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/sec
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
@BrianInEngland


I also have AMD fTPM enabled. I also get Error: 86
Personally, I just ignore it. This is a screen shot from Windows 10.

Image1.png



Ever since I installed Windows 10, and when I also installed Windows 11, I've noticed that Event Viewer does a LOT of over-reacting. So unless there is some "other" problem occurring, I ignore Event Viewer.

IMO, Event Viewer was a lot more useful, back in the Windows 7 days.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22631.3447 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
@BrianInEngland


I also have AMD fTPM enabled. I also get Error: 86
Personally, I just ignore it. This is a screen shot from Windows 10.

View attachment 19133



Ever since I installed Windows 10, and when I also installed Windows 11, I've noticed that Event Viewer does a LOT of over-reacting. So unless there is some "other" problem occurring, I ignore Event Viewer.

IMO, Event Viewer was a lot more useful, back in the Windows 7 days.
Yeah I did ignore it af first but after disabling fTPM my PC is performing better, as is the other one in the house. Maybe a recent Windows update has screwed with the certificate enrol. Even with the error the TPM is enabled/active and detected by Windows. I'll leave it off unless I get a problem.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (RP channel)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Gigabyte
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5900X 12-core
    Motherboard
    X570 Aorus Xtreme
    Memory
    64GB Corsair Platinum RGB 3600MHz CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI Suprim X 3080 Ti
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG289Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 Pro 2TB
    Samsung 980 Pro 2TB
    Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB
    Samsung 870 Evo 4TB
    Samsung T7 Touch 1TB
    PSU
    Asus ROG Strix 1000W
    Case
    Corsair D750 Airflow
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15S
    Keyboard
    Asus ROG Flare
    Mouse
    Logitech G903 with PowerPlay charger
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/sec
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Back in October I enabled AMD fTPM in the BIOS for Windows 11 support. No problems since then, but last week I noticed an error in the event log every startup relating to AIK keys.

Context Local system
Url https://AMD-KeyId-578c545f796951421221a4a578acdb5f682f89c8.microsoftaik.azure.net/templates/Aik/scep
MessageText GetCACaps GetCACaps: Not Found {"Message":"The authority \"amd-keyid-578c545f796951421221a4a578acdb5f682f89c8.microsoftaik.azure.net\" does not exist."} HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 07:57:16 GMT Content-Length: 121 Content-Type: application/json; charset=utf-8 X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000;includeSubDomains x-ms-request-id: 90bcdf04-7b70-4fc4-b23a-4300dd438136
Method GET(234ms)
Stage GetCACaps
ErrorCode Not found (404). 0x80190194 (-2145844844 HTTP_E_STATUS_NOT_FOUND)


Doing some research I've seen a lot of reports of this error going back to September, and issues with PCs freezing/slowing down and even BSODs during use. Another PC here is having the same problem. I've only started having the problem in the last week or so (that I know of) and it has started to cause freezing during gameplay etc.

I've disabled the fTPM, Windows 11 still runs fine, I can still get updates. Since disabling it my PC seems smoother, no lagging/freezing or errors relating to AIK.

It seems that getting a physical TPM chip will solve the problem but they're impossible to get.
Why do you need TPM.. other than to install Win 11? If MS does not categorically state the need and how it interfaces with the OS, why should we just follow blindly?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows
Why do you need TPM.. other than to install Win 11? If MS does not categorically state the need and how it interfaces with the OS, why should we just follow blindly?
Well I guess we don't as I've disabled it and Windows still works
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (RP channel)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Gigabyte
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5900X 12-core
    Motherboard
    X570 Aorus Xtreme
    Memory
    64GB Corsair Platinum RGB 3600MHz CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI Suprim X 3080 Ti
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG289Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 Pro 2TB
    Samsung 980 Pro 2TB
    Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB
    Samsung 870 Evo 4TB
    Samsung T7 Touch 1TB
    PSU
    Asus ROG Strix 1000W
    Case
    Corsair D750 Airflow
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15S
    Keyboard
    Asus ROG Flare
    Mouse
    Logitech G903 with PowerPlay charger
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/sec
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Well I guess we don't as I've disabled it and Windows still s they come up with some works
My point exactly.

Don't tell me what is best for me without telling me why.. right? (OK I was a problem child but still...)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows
My point exactly.

Don't tell me what is best for me without telling me why.. right? (OK I was a problem child but still...)
I'm sure they'll eventually start disabling features unless TPM is used, but until then...
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (RP channel)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Gigabyte
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5900X 12-core
    Motherboard
    X570 Aorus Xtreme
    Memory
    64GB Corsair Platinum RGB 3600MHz CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI Suprim X 3080 Ti
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG289Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 Pro 2TB
    Samsung 980 Pro 2TB
    Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB
    Samsung 870 Evo 4TB
    Samsung T7 Touch 1TB
    PSU
    Asus ROG Strix 1000W
    Case
    Corsair D750 Airflow
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15S
    Keyboard
    Asus ROG Flare
    Mouse
    Logitech G903 with PowerPlay charger
    Internet Speed
    500Mb/sec
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Still not fixed :(:(
Screenshot 2022-03-15 153646.png
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 3 3200G
    Motherboard
    MSI B450 carbon max wifi
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance RGB pro 32 gig
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Rx 580 nitro+
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 43" NU6900 Smart 4K UHD TV
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital WD BLACK SN750 NVMe M.2 2280 1TB
    OCZ-ARC100 250G
    Samsung 860 EVO 1tb
    PSU
    Corsair RM1000x
    Case
    Lian Li O11 Dynamic
    Cooling
    Corsair H150i Elite Capellix
    Keyboard
    Corsair k55
    Mouse
    Corsair M65 pro RGB
    Internet Speed
    940 mb down 40 up cable.
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Check ebay, the availability has shot up and the prices have plumetted. You may find one compatible with your motherboard. Some of the vendors list the exact pinouts for comparison with motherboard manuals.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    W11 pro beta
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    home built
    CPU
    Athlon 3000G
    Motherboard
    Asrock A320M-HDV r4.0
    Memory
    16Gb Crucial DDR4 2400
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard cpu
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560-1440
    Hard Drives
    WD black SN750 M2 500Gb
    PSU
    500W Seasonic core 80+gold non modular
    Case
    Fractal Design Define R2
    Cooling
    front 2 x 120mm rear 100mm stock psu
    Internet Speed
    135/20
    Browser
    Firefox and edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Security and free Malwarebytes
  • Operating System
    W11 pro 64 beta (from W10 pro system builder pack)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5700G
    Motherboard
    MSI B450 tomahawk max II
    Memory
    4 x 8Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    onboard cpu
    Sound Card
    motherboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 21.5" IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    WD 1Tb Black M2 SN850X on Asus hyper M2 X16 max V2 card
    PSU
    Be Quiet 400 semi modular 80+gold
    Case
    Coolermaster Silencio 650
    Cooling
    140mm front, 120 rear Akasa Vegas Chroma AM
    Internet Speed
    135/20
    Browser
    edge/Firefox
    Antivirus
    WD plus Malwarebytes free
Anyone have ideas how to resolve this when using latest Insider preview 22621 build, latest Agesa 1.20.7 BIOS (Gigabyte) etc?
AMD say they have fixed the stuttering issues in the latest BIOS versions, but I thought this "Scep amd-keyid errors" were part of the problem, as they are still in EventViewer and often preceed BSOD
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self-Built
    CPU
    Ryzen 5800X3D
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus X570 Master (rev 1.2)
    Memory
    G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3600Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Zotac RTX 4090 Amp Extreme Airo
    Sound Card
    On-Board Realtek ALC1220-VB, FiiO USB DAC
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG C2 42 Main Desktop, 3x Gigabyte FI32Q in a triple array for gaming simulations
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160, 2560x1440 (3)
    Hard Drives
    WD SN850X 2TB M.2 NVME (OS Drive), WD SN850 2TB M.2 NVME, 2x Crucial 2TB SSD, Crucial 1TB SSD, Seagate Barracuda 2TB HDD
    PSU
    EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G6, 80 Plus Gold 1000W
    Case
    NZXT H7
    Cooling
    EK AIO Elite 360mm Elite
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries TK7 Pro
    Mouse
    Logitech G502X
    Internet Speed
    1GB
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Same here in b550 agesa 1.20.7
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus
    CPU
    AMD 5700G
    Motherboard
    TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS (WI-FI)
    Memory
    2x 16Gb Kingston Fury RGB
    Graphics Card(s)
    RTX 3050
    Sound Card
    SoundBar JBL
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x LG 29 Wide
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1080
    Hard Drives
    1x NVME XPG S40G 512Gb
    1x NVME ADATA SX8100NP 512Gb
    PSU
    Corsair CX550F RGB
    Case
    Gamer Montech Air 1000 PREMIUM
    Cooling
    Cooler Master Masterair MA612P Stealth ARGB
    Keyboard
    Logitech K540
    Mouse
    Logitech M310
    Internet Speed
    500/125
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Cooler Master SickleFlow 120/140 ARGB
Has there been a fix yet? If so can someone point me in the right direction?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 3 3200G
    Motherboard
    MSI B450 carbon max wifi
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance RGB pro 32 gig
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Rx 580 nitro+
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 43" NU6900 Smart 4K UHD TV
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital WD BLACK SN750 NVMe M.2 2280 1TB
    OCZ-ARC100 250G
    Samsung 860 EVO 1tb
    PSU
    Corsair RM1000x
    Case
    Lian Li O11 Dynamic
    Cooling
    Corsair H150i Elite Capellix
    Keyboard
    Corsair k55
    Mouse
    Corsair M65 pro RGB
    Internet Speed
    940 mb down 40 up cable.
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
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