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My old backup media is getting slow. I am looking for fast(er) backup media. I don't have Thunderbolt, only USB C or 3 with an adapter cable, so I have been thinking of Samsung T7 portable SSDs.

Any other suggestions?

Some discussion: Years ago, when reliability of SSDs were in question for backup purposes, I tried Storage Spaces with 2 SSDs in mirror configuration, the idea being, if one of them dies, then the backup still works, and the dead one will be replaced soon. The problem was that I could not take the backup off-line (in case malware hits) or the system would continually nag to put the 'local storage' back on.

So, the single SSD as a backup should at least be somewhat reliable, although I maintain an independent second backup.

Storage Spaces with 2 USB HDDs in mirror configuration does work, but since I accidentally dropped and broke one, I don't want to use this configuration.

And no, USB flash drives can't be used in Storage Spaces, and a single USB flash drive is too unreliable for me.
 

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So, the single SSD as a backup should at least be somewhat reliable, although I maintain an independent second backup.

First and foremost anything man-made can break. Nothing is impervious. That said,

I think you're caught up in the internet war stories on SSD reliability. While nothing is 1000 percent reliable, what does distinguish "reliability" from "unreliability" is consistency - either an item consistently fails or it doesn't. SSD's don't have high failure rates thus their reliability is consistent.

Also, for the normal everyday user, they'll most likely end up replacing (ex: larger drive) the SSD before it fails.

I've been using SSD's since 2010, and neither the first OCZ I bought back then or the last 8 Samsung drives I've bought over an 8 year period has ever died on me. I currently have 5 Samsung drives in my main rig. No worries, no issues. No HDD drives in my system.

That said, for large backups I use my LAN connected NAS or external HDD drives. For small backups, SSD's.

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What was the last couple of external SSDs that you bought?

I like it external so I can easily airgap it
 

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A portable Samsung 1TB T5 SSD drive.

That said, I typically don't buy "SSD" drives for backup as their sizes are too small. You can get 6 & 8TB SSD's but then makes them prohibitively expensive. This is partly why HDD's have survived - high volume storage capacity at a fraction of the cost.

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While I am not using this drive for backups, I bought a Crucial P2 1TB NVMe drive and put it into this 10Gpbps NVMe USB C (3.2 Gen 2) enclosure and standard USB 3.2 Gen 2 port and it tested pretty much identical. I got the NVMe for $79 and the enclosure for $22. Here were my results
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I got the NVMe for $79 and the enclosure for $22.
Can you get a 6 or 8TB SSD drive for $101 bucks? Besides something speedy I think they also want storage space.
 

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Can you get a 6 or 8TB SSD drive for $101 bucks? Besides something speedy I think they also want storage space.
Well, of course not. But they were mentioning buying some Samsung external SSD's, so those aren't 6 or 8TB either.

I was just trying to present which could be possible speed wise using a 10Gbps USB 3 interface.
 

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It's always a balance based on quantity of data to be protected, and speed of access required For my main backups I use USB3.1 connected 8TB HDD's, as the backups are done overnight and the restores are done very occasionally, so the capacity is the important factor ... but I also have a couple of 1TB NVME drives in 10 gb/s cases, in my go bag, so I can quickly clone / backup, the majority of client OS drives. I also carry a 4TB 2.5" HDD for data storage / backup I'm semi retired so don't use them often but they're there if I need them. I also carry a number of USB3+ fast Pendrives (128GB and 256GB), these have both USB3.2 and USB-C connections built in and these can be used to clone / backup some White goods store laptops that still use tiny System drives

For those who have not heard the term "Go bag" it's simply a bag that's always kept ready with kit, tools, and even overnight clothing etc for emergency call outs - which thankfully I don't get very often these days
 

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Internal drives are not really a backup because if the machine goes you can't read them.

I have a NAS which is connected to my network with cat 6 ethernet cables at gigabit speeds. It chews through the backups at a good speed.

I use a backup program called Uranium-Backup which has a non limited free version which has scheduling and incremental backups.
 

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I have a NAS which is connected to my network with cat 6 ethernet cables at gigabit speeds. It chews through the backups at a good speed.

I use a backup program called Uranium-Backup which has a non limited free version which has scheduling and incremental backups.

I have a similar setup, but use Acronis for my scheduled backups to my NAS.
 

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If a sata ssd is fast enough for your backup destination, a hotswap caddy is a good solution.

kkmoon do one for a reasonable price, but they are out of stock in many places.

Here are some others:

 

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I've just bought a cheap caddy for this and working with Client Drives - Amazon so it should be available in markets where they sell ...

Yes they are very useful. I have one that can take a 3.5" and a 2.5" disk. It has a power switch on the front so can be turned on only when needed


 

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I already had a tool-less adaptor / converter to fit the 2.5 to 3.5 inch so saved a bit of cost ;)
 

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I have a Raid 10 Caddy (I use the ESATA 6Gbps not USB 3.0), basically same as internal HDD's, 4x 4TB WD RED's 5.4k (quieter) hits 290-300MB/s sustained and with newer larger drives WD RED Pro HDD's 7.2k it would be far faster but louder (I did test with 2x 4TB of them and it was 400MB/s.
 

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  • Operating System
    Windows 10
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    PC/Desktop
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    Self Built
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    Intel i7-4790k @ 5GHZ
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    Asus Maximus VI Extreme
    Memory
    32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 2400Mhz @ 10-12-11-27-1T
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    Nvidia RTX 3090FE @ Core 2200 MHZ / Memory 21 GHZ
    Sound Card
    Creative SoundBlaster ZxR
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    LG 32GN600 (G-Sync Comp)
    Screen Resolution
    1440p
    Hard Drives
    C: Primary SSD > Samsung 860 PRO 512GB
    G: Gaming SSD > Samsung 860 PRO 1TB
    S: Storage SSD > Samsung 860 EVO 4TB x2 (Windows Storage Spaces = 8TB)
    X: Ext Backup > IcyBox+WD Red 4TB x4 (Raid 10)
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    Corsair AX1600i
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    NZXT Phantom 630 (Black)
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    Noctua NH-D15S Chromax Black
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    Logitech G613
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    Logitech G903 LS (Hero)+PowerPlay Wireless Charge Pad
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    VM 1Gb/s
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    Edge
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Dru2

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I have a Raid 10 Caddy (I use the ESATA 6Gbps not USB 3.0), basically same as internal HDD's, 4x 4TB WD RED's 5.4k (quieter) hits 290-300MB/s sustained and with newer larger drives WD RED Pro HDD's 7.2k it would be far faster but louder (I did test with 2x 4TB of them and it was 400MB/s.

I'm also running RAID 10 on a Western Digital 4-bay NAS with 4 Western Digital RED Pro drives. Provides for impressive transfer speeds.
 

My Computers

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    Win 10 Pro (x64) 21H1 (19043.1055)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon VII
    Sound Card
    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NEC PA242w (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova I000 P2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Cooler Master H500M
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    Corsair H115i RGB Platinum
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    Logitech Craft
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    100mb
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    System used for gaming and photography.
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    Win 11 Pro Dev build 22454.1000
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga X1
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    Intel i7-7600U
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    Intel
    Memory
    16igg
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    Intel HD 620
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    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14.0 WQHD OLED Touch
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    2560 x 1440
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    1TB NVMe Drive (OEM)
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    laptop
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    laptop
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    Laptop cooling
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    Logitech MX Anywhere 2S
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    100MB
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    Edge Chromium
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SmokeMe

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Probably overkill but I use Windows Server 2016 Essentials to BU all my PC & a couple of laptops too.
I tested the full partition/OS Restore & it worked perfectly for me.
 

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  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self made in 2021
    CPU
    i7-9700K @ 3.6GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Q370M-C
    Memory
    2/8 GB Critical Ballistix
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960
    Sound Card
    On board sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27 inch LED
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Samsung SSD w/ 4 partitions
    250 GB Samsung SSD for WSE 2016 BU OS
    1 60 GB External SSD
    1 TB WD HDD (Storage)
    Browser
    Brave & EDGE
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 x3 & Windows 11 x1 (MS Test)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self made 2017 (Test Rig 1)
    CPU
    i7- 6700 Skylake @ 4.0 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS Z170M-E D3
    Memory
    1 x 8 GB Corsair Vengence
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS
    Sound Card
    Onboard sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27 inch LED
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    500 GB Samsung SSD
    250 GB Samsung SSD
    320 GB WD HDD (Storage)
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    EDGE

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The best and easiest backup media in my opinion is to have a secondary internal hard drive or SSD.
You can then back that up to other media if you feel the need.

For my desktops, I have a third internal hard drive that Bvckup 2 makes another copy of my images to.
 

My Computers

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  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Stigg's Build
    CPU
    Intel Core i9-10900X
    Motherboard
    GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G
    Memory
    Corsair 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) CMW64GX4M4C3000C15 Vengeance RGB Pro 3000Mhz DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1660 Super Mini ITX 6 GB OC
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 27" FHD LED FreeSync Gaming Monitor (LS27F350FHEXXY)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Pro Series 1TB M.2 2280 NVMe SSD
    Western Digital Red Pro WD8003FFBX-68B9AN0 8 TB, 7200 RPM, SATA-III
    Western Digital Red Pro WD8003FFBX-68B9AN0 8 TB, 7200 RPM, SATA-III
    PSU
    Corsair HX1200 1200W 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 Black Solid Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black
    Keyboard
    Razer Ornata V2
    Mouse
    Razer DeathAdder Essential
    Internet Speed
    FTTN 100Mbps / 40Mbps
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    N/A
    Other Info
    Logitech BRIO 4k Ultra HD USB-C Webcam
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS ROG Zephyrus M GM501GS
    CPU
    Core i7-8750H
    Motherboard
    Zephyrus M GM501GS
    Memory
    SK Hynix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) HMA82GS6CJR8N-VK 16 GB DDR4-2666 DDR4 SDRAM
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC294
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AU Optronics B156HAN07.1 [15.6" LCD]
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung MZVKW512HMJP-00000 512 GB, PCI-E 3.0 x4
    Samsung SSD 860 QVO 4TB 4 TB, SATA-III
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    N/A
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    N/A
    Cooling
    N/A
    Mouse
    Razer DeathAdder Essential
    Keyboard
    PC/AT Enhanced PS2 Keyboard (101/102-Key)
    Internet Speed
    FTTN 100Mbps / 40Mbps
    Browser
    Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    N/A
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    USB2.0 HD UVC Webcam
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