Fedora 39 -latest version - well worth a try in a VM etc

jimbo45 · Dec 14, 2023

Hi folks

Those who want to have a go with Linux -- the easiest by far seems these days to be FEDORA 39 with various GUI options -- Fedora KDE seems super efficient even on a modest laptop -- seems Red Hat and IBM have got their act together finally in a decent "Leading edge" desktop Linux. Efficiency is excellent and so far everything just works without a problem including if you use it as a host of running Windows VM's,

Just accept the defaults and it "just works". Ok there's stuff in it I wouldn't install but for beginners you could do a lot worse than try this one out - plus there's a decent live distro too that works on almost any hardware.

Cheers
jimbo

Hopachi · Dec 16, 2023

Runs well as a host too.
I've upgraded from F38. Flawless, no issues whatsoever.

martyfelker · Dec 30, 2023

Even more worth a try (I have installed it on my hard drive} is Fedora Silverblue = or if you prefer KDE Fedora Kinoite. Much to explore - I have installed QEMU/KVM and Gnome Box works fine.

cereberus · Dec 30, 2023

Can you install it in Hyper-V in enhanced mode and get sound - you can with ubuntu, but by far the easiest I have tried is Kali

Installing Kali Linux in Hyper-V in enhanced mode AND sound

I have previously shown how to install Ubuntu in Hyper-V enhanced mode but I was googling how to do it for other distros, and came across how to do it for Kali Linux I could not believe how simple it was compared to setting up Ubuntu. Basically one command in step 3 does all the hard work...

www.elevenforum.com

martyfelker · Dec 30, 2023

cereberus said:
Can you install it in Hyper-V in enhanced mode and get sound - you can with ubuntu, but by far the easiest I have tried is Kali

Installing Kali Linux in Hyper-V in enhanced mode AND sound

I have previously shown how to install Ubuntu in Hyper-V enhanced mode but I was googling how to do it for other distros, and came across how to do it for Kali Linux I could not believe how simple it was compared to setting up Ubuntu. Basically one command in step 3 does all the hard work...

www.elevenforum.com

Sorry, I Haven't the faintest. Please find the link to the iso you want and try it.

cereberus · Dec 30, 2023

martyfelker said:
Sorry, I Haven't the faintest. Please find the link to the iso you want and try it.

It is not as simple as this.

I do not know of a single Linux distro iso that will install and work in enhanced mode without having to do some initial setup.

Of the two I know, Ubuntu is somewhat complicated to setup, especially with sound, Kali being easiest I know to set up.

Worse still, most Linux distros will not work in enhanced mode (hence no sound at all) to make things worse.

To me it is a pity but Linux is just too fragemented to ever have a consistent approach to being able to use in Hyper-V in enhanced mode.

Apart from Windows Home (which does not have an rdp server to run in enhanced model, all other versions are identical in running in enhanced mode.

Hopachi · Dec 31, 2023

With any luck this steps might still work:
Hyper-V Enhanced Session Mode on Fedora
@cereberus
Try this when you get the chance.

A few versions back I got enhanced mode with this.
Not as easiest but at least doable for Fedora / CentOS.

Hopachi · Dec 31, 2023

martyfelker said:
Even more worth a try (I have installed it on my hard drive} is Fedora Silverblue = or if you prefer KDE Fedora Kinoite. Much to explore - I have installed QEMU/KVM and Gnome Box works fine.

Interesting indeed, both immutable systems.
For now I keep the classic variant as the main OS on the PC it currently runs on.
I tend to tweak some things a bit but not much.

cereberus · Dec 31, 2023

Hopachi said:
With any luck this steps might still work:
Hyper-V Enhanced Session Mode on Fedora
@cereberus
Try this when you get the chance.

A few versions back I got enhanced mode with this.
Not as easiest but at least doable for Fedora / CentOS.

I will give it a go. Did you get sound?

cereberus · Jan 1, 2024

Hopachi said:
With any luck this steps might still work:
Hyper-V Enhanced Session Mode on Fedora
@cereberus
Try this when you get the chance.

A few versions back I got enhanced mode with this.
Not as easiest but at least doable for Fedora / CentOS.

Tried this but the scripts did not work for V39.

Hopachi · Jan 2, 2024

cereberus said:
I will give it a go. Did you get sound?

There was sound when used back in V36.

And unfortunately the scripts are now outdated as you confirmed no longer working under V39.

Josey Wales · Jan 2, 2024

I have been Running MX-Linux 23.1 plus Arch on my Nuc, both run really fast.

Hopachi · Jan 2, 2024

cereberus said:
Tried this but the scripts did not work for V39.

Indeed.
The command presented there tries the version to match. But V36 is the latest script.

It still works though!
Use V36 script. The packages it installs (xrdp) are available in V39.

In the VM:
Clone / download the project 'code' zip, extract, cd there...

Code:

cd Downloads/EnhancedSessionMode-master/
sudo sh install_esm_fedora36.sh

Install that, then shut down the VM.

Now on your host, in elevated PowerShell:

Code:

Set-VM -VMName "Fedora VM Name" -EnhancedSessionTransportType HvSocket

Enter your "Fedora VM Name" there obviously, should work directly; then start the VM.
I got the enhanced resolution prompt moments after powering on.

Here's my proof:

I've used XFCE flavour of ISO but any F39 should work fine.

There is sound, I get a sound icon with 'dummy output' virtual device. There is some weird system beep when I log out.
Though I don't get anything out of youtube in the browser.
Copy paste works fine in Enhanced Mode.

cereberus · Jan 2, 2024

Hopachi said:
Indeed.
The command presented there tries the version to match. But V36 is the latest script.

It still works though!
Use V36 script. The packages it installs (xrdp) are available in V39.

In the VM:
Clone / download the project 'code' zip, extract, cd there...

Code:

cd Downloads/EnhancedSessionMode-master/ sudo sh install_esm_fedora36.sh

Install that, then shut down the VM.

Now on your host, in elevated PowerShell:

Code:

Set-VM -VMName "Fedora VM Name" -EnhancedSessionTransportType HvSocket

Enter your "Fedora VM Name" there obviously, should work directly; then start the VM.
I got the enhanced resolution prompt moments after powering on.

Here's my proof:
View attachment 82902
I've used XFCE flavour of ISO but any F39 should work fine.

There is sound, I get a sound icon with 'dummy output' virtual device. There is some weird system beep when I log out.
Though I don't get anything out of youtube in the browser.
Copy paste works fine in Enhanced Mode.

Thanksd - Yeah like you I got enhanced mode but no sound (dummy sound). This is same as Ubuntu, and you have to mess around with pulseaudio

How to get sound on Ubuntu in Hyper-V

One of the weaknesses of Hyper-V is that you cannot get sound unless VM has an RDP server. Ubuntu can now be installed with XRDP enabling enhanced mode. There are many web guides how to install Ubuntu in enhanced mode e.g. How to Enable Hyper-V Enhanced Session for Ubuntu 20.04 VMs...

www.elevenforum.com

Whether this works with Fedora, I do not know.
edit: ubuntu scripts fall over at first hurdle - no idea what to do now.

Compare with Kali, where you run one inbuilt script and it creates enhance mode and sound just works.
Linux developers - follow Kali approach.

Hopachi · Jan 3, 2024

cereberus said:
Thanksd - Yeah like you I got enhanced mode but no sound (dummy sound). This is same as Ubuntu, and you have to mess around with pulseaudio

How to get sound on Ubuntu in Hyper-V

One of the weaknesses of Hyper-V is that you cannot get sound unless VM has an RDP server. Ubuntu can now be installed with XRDP enabling enhanced mode. There are many web guides how to install Ubuntu in enhanced mode e.g. How to Enable Hyper-V Enhanced Session for Ubuntu 20.04 VMs...

www.elevenforum.com

Whether this works with Fedora, I do not know.
edit: ubuntu scripts fall over at first hurdle - no idea what to do now.

Compare with Kali, where you run one inbuilt script and it creates enhance mode and sound just works.
Linux developers - follow Kali approach.

Thumbs up for Kali.
That's a good example there that it works given the time and resources.

So for Ubuntu you rebuild pulseaudio.
This would still be needed for Fedora under Hyper-V but unfortunately it gets more complicated since Fedora moved to PipeWire.
Summed up in this Reddit post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/upqft5/_/imvqkyt

jimbo45 · Jan 3, 2024

Hopachi said:
Thumbs up for Kali.
That's a good example there that it works given the time and resources.

So for Ubuntu you rebuild pulseaudio.
This would still be needed for Fedora under Hyper-V but unfortunately it gets more complicated since Fedora moved to PipeWire.
Summed up in this Reddit post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/upqft5/_/imvqkyt

Hi folks

Reddit is THE MOST USELESS SITE ON THE PLANET (Caps intended). Reminds me earlier when even corporate I.T people would take any notice of GARTNER suggested on I.T. --usually if you did the exact opposite of what they suggested you'd come out on top,

I'm creating a bog standard Arch linux VM on Hyper-V - - I need ist to create a Windows physical Host with HYPER-V on it since most here don't have Windows Server 2022 LTSC (free 180 day trial). My Windows hosts don't normally have HYPER-V on them as I tend only to use Windows on a physical machine for Ms Office and other things where I have to connect to corporate software and a VM doesn't work.

I'll try the new Canary release with Hyper-V on a physical machine -- note I use physical vhdx files which in theory shouldn't make any difference to whether sound on a VM works or not and see how it goes. BTW Arch Linux is at kernel level 6.6.8 so quite up to date.

Will see how sound works -- note on Arch Linux you can install pulse audio without any hassle = just from the install iso do the "guided install" via command archinstall after you boot up the install iso.

Cheers
jimbo

cereberus · Jan 3, 2024

jimbo45 said:
Will see how sound works -- note on Arch Linux you can install pulse audio without any hassle = just from the install iso do the "guided install" via command archinstall after you boot up the install iso.

Cheers
jimbo

Getting sound in Hyper-V is totally different for each distro, as is adding TPM capability.

Herein lies the main reason why Linux will never become a major desktop OS.

Unifying Linux would be harder than the unification of the Vulcans and Romulans.

I am ok with installing Linux in a vhdx file and native booting it, but I want to stay with Windows boot loader rather than using grub or similar.

Hopachi · Jan 5, 2024

@jimbo45
I follow entirely but the fact pointed out on Fedora's current state on Hyper-V stands.
I'm curious on the results in your Arch tests. Chances of getting sound there are indeed higher.

cereberus said:
Getting sound in Hyper-V is totally different for each distro, as is adding TPM capability.

Herein lies the main reason why Linux will never become a major desktop OS.

I agree.

Unifying Linux would be harder than the unification of the Vulcans and Romulans.

That's a nice quote there.

jimbo45 · Jan 5, 2024

Hopachi said:
@jimbo45
I follow entirely but the fact pointed out on Fedora's current state on Hyper-V stands.
I'm curious on the results in your Arch tests. Chances of getting sound there are indeed higher.

I agree.

That's a nice quote there.

However it did actually happen in later Star trek stuff -- although in those versions the Romulans were almost gone and the Vulcans were "Earth's overlords".

I think Bill gates would have liked 100% of computer users to use Windows -- using the 7-of-nine (nice sexy lady back then star trek voyager series ) with the quote "Resistance is futile -- You will Comply -- You will be absorbed.. " -- unfortunately this sounds too much like so many current politicians -- The UK and the USA doesn't have a monopoly of bad / incompetant politicians !!!!

working on a HYPER-V with Linux VM to see if I can get some sort of a squeak out of the Audio. It works as a 2nd level i,e nested VM but that's cheating -- I have to create a proper Windows physical system --most of mine are on external Windowstogo devices. Shouldn't take too long though.

Cheers
jimbo

jimbo45 · Jan 6, 2024

Hopachi said:
Thumbs up for Kali.
That's a good example there that it works given the time and resources.

So for Ubuntu you rebuild pulseaudio.
This would still be needed for Fedora under Hyper-V but unfortunately it gets more complicated since Fedora moved to PipeWire.
Summed up in this Reddit post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/upqft5/_/imvqkyt

Please DO NOT rely on reddit -- 100% useless site -- I'm sure it's just there to collect analytical data to flog to others. If you install FEDORA same as most other distros -- you can install pulse audio if you want. Actually the easiest is to simply boot the KDE desktop live version from fedora spins and click on Install to HDD. It doesn't install much bloatware and stuff you want to get rid of simply go through the menu -->all apps and when you see something you don't want either type sudo dnf remove <package> via the command line or those who have to use GUI's just click the context menu >>>uninstall (or remove not sure which as I always prefer the CLI when doing this stuff.

For those who use FEDORA use the extra RPMFUSION repos both the free and nonfree (actually nonfree is a misnomer since the stuff in there isn't chargeable either for the most part) -- there;s zillions of extra decent stuff in there and one thing IBM/Redhat do have is decent QC even if you (like many) don't like the way CENTOS was "dissed" with 3rd party providers trying to fill the vacuum left by that excellent stable server -- it's still early days yet so the end bit hasn't been reached on that.

Anybody who follows reddit posts and gets anything even in la-la land remotely sensible deserves to get 11 Gold Medals at the Paris 2024 summer Olympics before the games have even started.

Cheers
jimbo