Finally installed 11 today

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My first impression, I'm not impressed. I don't mind change, I'm a retired LAN/WAN Network and hardware help desk manager and "change" was a given in our nationwide network.

I'll have to dig through and find what is different and how to get around.

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Welcome to the club Jack :party:
 

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My first impression, I'm not impressed. I don't mind change, I'm a retired LAN/WAN Network and hardware help desk manager and "change" was a given in our nationwide network.

I'll have to dig through and find what is different and how to get around.

Jack
Under the same impression as yourself - rearranging the deckchairs etc.

But MS need to make money, it's always about the bottom line so I think this release is more about corporate - Office/Teams/etc.

I'll stay with it for a bit longer as it's not doing any harm running on my 'old' core i7 but unless there are benefits (for me) I'll just revert back to 10.
 

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I was underwhelmed too. Perhaps we should wait for Windows 12 since Windows 11 is a repeat of Vista / Windows 8 due to poor software design (so far).
 

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I don't know.. so far I like it and use it everyday. It is mostly GUI changes but I like the fresh new look they came up with and the did promis33e rounded corners and we finally got them

I don't know what else they could have done.. it is what it is.
 

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I was underwhelmed too. Perhaps we should wait for Windows 12 since Windows 11 is a repeat of Vista / Windows 8 due to poor software design (so far).
My thoughts after the second day with 11. Microsoft has a history of good/bad/good/bad OS'.
 

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My thoughts after the second day with 11. Microsoft has a history of good/bad/good/bad OS'.
Define bad? This is so similar to 10 it's about the same and 10 is a great OS
 

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My thoughts after the second day with 11. Microsoft has a history of good/bad/good/bad OS'.

Yes, they do. I chronicled a bit of it in another thread.

It's definitely time for the bad batch one to come upon us. Whether they can pull themselves out of this rut remains to be seen.
 

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Windows 11 does not give me any form of WOW effects. For me it is Windows 10 with a new skin. Maybe the Settings App is a tad better now, but it still needs another 5 years of work at least. 😂
 

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Define bad? This is so similar to 10 it's about the same and 10 is a great OS
"Bad" was probably the wrong word to use. I (and apparently others) were expecting more than Win 10. Maybe that's good that there is no complete overhaul??

But there is a history of OS's and "great/not so great, great/not so great, etc.

My background in computers goes back to "BPC" (Before P C's) and to an IBM 360/20 and IBM 2260 terminals.
 

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I think that "programmatically" Microsoft probably tiled themselves into some corners with Windows 10.
This left them with two choices...

1. Rip up a bunch of tiles and start over, while still calling it Windows 10, (sticking to the no new OS after Windows 10 promise).
2. Rip up a bunch of tiles and start over, and call it Windows 11.


I don't think it's possible to "finally get it all right" with a program the size of Windows.
Unless of course they make a very tiny program called Windows and then gazillions of plugins.



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"Bad" was probably the wrong word to use. I (and apparently others) were expecting more than Win 10. Maybe that's good that there is no complete overhaul??

But there is a history of OS's and "great/not so great, great/not so great, etc.

My background in computers goes back to "BPC" (Before P C's) and to an IBM 360/20 and IBM 2260 terminals.

Nah. Bad is appropriate - after all, it is a subject PoV case, and we're all entitled to our own opinions.

I loved Vista for it's concepts to regain control of the OS and ensure better security than XP and previous OSs did. I hated that Vista simply did not run like Windows 7 did on the exact same hardware, even with clean install. I could care less about how the driver use method changed from XP to Vista, though many, many different hardware that had working drivers in XP were abandoned for Vista and later OSs. It wasn't quite so bad from 7 to 8 or 10, because, while the installer packages may not have worked, you could still manually install drivers for devices written for 7 and they could work in 8 / 10 (sometimes better than other times, of course - YMMV).

I think that "programmatically" Microsoft probably tiled themselves into some corners with Windows 10.
This left them with two choices...

1. Rip up a bunch of tiles and start over, while still calling it Windows 10, (sticking to the no new OS after Windows 10 promise).
2. Rip up a bunch of tiles and start over, and call it Windows 11.

Have to agree. It was time for a change.

But I'm still with Fireberd- history has shown that after a popular, usable, and likable OS, Microsoft returns to the "Let's make them do it this way" mindset, which gets them shamed and derided publicly, and has almost always resulted in a backtrack, with a new OS release that actually works while trying to minimize the compromises they had to make to get users to accept the main focus / foci of the previously derided OS.
 

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I just finished creating my Dual Boot System by installing Windows 11 on a new partition, using @Brink's tutorial for installing from within Windows 10.

The install went well, but that Dual Boot page is about the ugliest thing I've ever seen! Yeah, it's sort of better, but when I shut down the computer from Windows 11, I get no choice of Windows 10 or Windows 11 when I boot for the next session. However, if I shut down from Windows 10, I get a choice.

I have been getting used to Windows 11, but they've shaved off too many things I use in Windows 10. Add me to the list of "not overly impressed"; in fact, you could say I'm pretty disappointed at this point.
 

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I just finished creating my Dual Boot System by installing Windows 11 on a new partition, using @Brink's tutorial for installing from within Windows 10.

The install went well, but that Dual Boot page is about the ugliest thing I've ever seen! Yeah, it's sort of better, but when I shut down the computer from Windows 11, I get no choice of Windows 10 or Windows 11 when I boot for the next session. However, if I shut down from Windows 10, I get a choice.

I have been getting used to Windows 11, but they've shaved off too many things I use in Windows 10. Add me to the list of "not overly impressed"; in fact, you could say I'm pretty disappointed at this point.

Maybe see if turning Fast boot off in Windows 11 helps?
 

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    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
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    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
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Maybe see if turning Fast boot off in Windows 11 helps?
I just booted into 11, and noticed that Windows 11 was the default OS. I think I need to look at that to see how to change the default; that could be my problem.

I haven't had enough time to check things out in the "boot area", and have only decided which OS to boot into when I had the opportunity.

More study!
 

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    Windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
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    HP Pavilion 590 p0xxx
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 2600
    Motherboard
    HP 8433 (AM4)
    Memory
    24 GB Dual-Channel @ 1330 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    4095 MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (EVGA)
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    Realtek High Definition Audio
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    Monitor 1 - Acer 27" Monitor 2 Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
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    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB (SSD)
    Seagate ST1000DM003-1SB102
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    HP
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    Logitech M705
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    50 mbps
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    Firefox
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    Windows Defender
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    That's all Folks!
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
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    HP
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    Intel Core i7 (10th gen) 10700
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16 GB
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    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Built-in
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    Acer 27" & Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x
    Hard Drives
    SSD (512 GB)
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    Seagate
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    Intel i7 10th Generation
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    HP
    Cooling
    HP/Intel?
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox 90.2
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
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    Headphone/Microphone Combo
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Actually, you're right, that is probably it.

Try MSConfig. Or else you may want BCDEdit Community Edition (for a GUI) or manually edit yourself from the CL.
 

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    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * Corsair Vengeance 32 GB 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    eVGA GeForce GTX 970 SSC ACX 2.0 (04G-P4-3979-KB)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 * Lenovo LT2323pwA Widescreeen
    Screen Resolution
    2* 1920*1080
    Hard Drives
    3x Sabrent Rocket PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 1 TB SSD (SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB)
    SanDisk Ultra SDSSDHII-960G-G25 960 GB SATA III SSD
    Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 256GB SATA III SSD
    2 * Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM --> RAID1
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 x64 Pro build 21H1
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryvill 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
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    Dell
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    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master (shared) | Dell TouchPad
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    Dell
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If you are going to go for it then go for it, dont fear the dark side it will all be fine... Seriously, think about what you want then follow that route. I did and dont have any regrets.
 

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    Prime Z490-P
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    32 Gb
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    GeForce GTX 1070
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    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 34" Ultra Wide Screen.
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 on each monitor
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 120GB SATA SSD
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    Samsung SSD 860 QVO 1TB SATA SSD
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Actually, you're right, that is probably it.

Try MSConfig. Or else you may want BCDEdit Community Edition (for a GUI) or manually edit yourself from the CL.
Ummmm, I'm not sure I have what it takes to do any of those things, John.

My experience has been to clean install a second Windows OS onto a new or existing partition.
 

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  • Operating System
    Windows 11
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    HP Pavilion 590 p0xxx
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 2600
    Motherboard
    HP 8433 (AM4)
    Memory
    24 GB Dual-Channel @ 1330 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    4095 MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (EVGA)
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Monitor 1 - Acer 27" Monitor 2 Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB (SSD)
    Seagate ST1000DM003-1SB102
    Seagate BUP Slim SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
    Seagate BUP BL SCSI Disk Device
    PSU
    HP
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    Standard
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    That's all Folks!
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 (10th gen) 10700
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 27" & Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x
    Hard Drives
    SSD (512 GB)
    HDD (1 TB)
    Seagate
    PSU
    Intel i7 10th Generation
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    HP/Intel?
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox 90.2
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Headphone/Microphone Combo
    SuperSpeed USB Type-A (4 on front)
    HP 3-in-One Card Readr
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    DVD Writer

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...when I shut down the computer from Windows 11, I get no choice of Windows 10 or Windows 11 when I boot for the next session...
I believe you have to perform the CP bcdedit /timeout xxx on both OS's, identically.
 

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I just booted into 11, and noticed that Windows 11 was the default OS. I think I need to look at that to see how to change the default; that could be my problem.

I haven't had enough time to check things out in the "boot area", and have only decided which OS to boot into when I had the opportunity.

More study!
Have you tried EasyBCD?
 

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  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    Keyboard
    HP USB Kekboard
    Mouse
    2.4 wireless mouse
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
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