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Unfortunately, that build does not count :-)

That is the original release of Windows 11, which is not in question. The issue is that the behavior during installation has changed for Windows 11 22H2. 22H2 requires both that you have an Internet connection, and disallows the creation of a local account if you select "Set up for personal use".
oh right, sorry ,

when I installed this 22H2 for testing I did the process of installing it with an MS account, after the installation I created a new administrator user and deleted the account that needed to login to enter. so i got a local account.
 

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At the point where you're asked for an account ...
- Shift+F10 (opens cmd Window)
- taskmgr [Enter]
- in the Task Manager window, click More details
- scroll down to Network Connection Flow > click End task

Installation can proceed without an MS account (as it should be able to !!!!)
 

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Just did a factory restore of my Notebook to Win10 Pro followed by all the updates then Upgraded to Win11. Used only a Local Account as Administrator with no password, only issue I see now is can't get Widgets until signing in, doesn't specifically mention Microsoft Account. Appears to be something new since last Oct. as my Desktop from April hasn't changed. It's not critical as most of what Widgets has is on Edge when opened.
Yep, totally legit when upgrading.
oh right, sorry ,

when I installed this 22H2 for testing I did the process of installing it with an MS account, after the installation I created a new administrator user and deleted the account that needed to login to enter. so i got a local account.
No worries. It's hard to keep up with everything. I wonder if this will get any easier now that Microsoft is switching to major releases only every three years :-)
 

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Hi there

Easy get around -- doesn't need any complicated stuff.

1) Just start the create account
2) enter a rubbish email address e.g nobody@nobody.com
3) for password enter something stupid like : UpYours!
4) enter

you'll get a message "OOPS -- Something went wrong) and hey presto you'll see "Enter user whose going to use this computer - and it'll finish setup as a local account.

Q.E.D !!

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Hi there

Easy get around -- doesn't need any complicated stuff.

1) Just start the create account
2) enter a rubbish email address e.g nobody@nobody.com
3) for password enter something stupid like : UpYours!
4) enter

you'll get a message "OOPS -- Something went wrong) and hey presto you'll see "Enter user whose going to use this computer - and it'll finish setup as a local account.

Q.E.D !!

cheers
jimbo
Yep, thankfully there are several ways around the issue.

In my case, I have several machines that don't meet various hardware requirements for Win 11, so I have a simple unattended answer file that I drop onto the media. All it does is bypass the requirements and create a local account for me. The rest of the installation is still the same as any other manual installation. I actually use that one more for other people's machines where I want some manual control. For my own machines I prefer a fully unattended installation :-).
 

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Yep, thankfully there are several ways around the issue.

In my case, I have several machines that don't meet various hardware requirements for Win 11, so I have a simple unattended answer file that I drop onto the media. All it does is bypass the requirements and create a local account for me. The rest of the installation is still the same as any other manual installation. I actually use that one more for other people's machines where I want some manual control. For my own machines I prefer a fully unattended installation :-).
Hi there

The real bugbear with this is you need an Internet connection to even install this stuff -- no way to "Offline" install.

Best solution -- keep a Win 10 ISO, clean install a W10 system with no added extra stuff, and then upgrade to W11.

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Hi there

The real bugbear with this is you need an Internet connection to even install this stuff -- no way to "Offline" install.

Best solution -- keep a Win 10 ISO, clean install a W10 system with no added extra stuff, and then upgrade to W11.

Cheers
jimbo
Not true. I do it on a daily basis. I create a simple unattended install file. The nice thing is that if you want to still have the full manual installation experience, you can create an unattended answer file that ONLY does the things that you want. For example, I have one that bypasses Win 11 system requirements, and creates a local user account without the need to have any internet access during install. Other than that, the user sees all the same screens allowing them to manually select the disk to install to, pick the language settings, etc.
 

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All these work arounds are ok for those of us that know even just a little bit about computer. None of this is going to help the John/Jane Does setup their new device. MS needs to stop trying to force us having to use a MS account when we first setup our devices.
 

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All these work arounds are ok for those of us that know even just a little bit about computer. None of this is going to help the John/Jane Does setup their new device. MS needs to stop trying to force us having to use a MS account when we first setup our devices.

I think the email trick is simple enough to understand for the average user
enter silly email address e.g nobody@nobody.com, with a silly pw like upyours! and then the installation will simply prompt for a user name (offline account).

Since they would normally have to enter an email name anyway then I can't see what's so hard for a "typical non tech user" to use that method.

On Windows HOME though might be another matter since I only ever use Windows pro / enterprise etc. editions.

The average joe though isn't going to have a clue about "unattended installs" , answer files sysprep and the like. W10 can be also easily installed offline and then upgraded automatically to W11 if the user wants and has the appropriate hardware - again simple for the average John Doe.

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I think the email trick is simple enough to understand for the average user
enter silly email address e.g nobody@nobody.com, with a silly pw like upyours! and then the installation will simply prompt for a user name (offline account).

Since they would normally have to enter an email name anyway then I can't see what's so hard for a "typical non tech user" to use that method.

On Windows HOME though might be another matter since I only ever use Windows pro / enterprise etc. editions.

The average joe though isn't going to have a clue about "unattended installs" , answer files sysprep and the like. W10 can be also easily installed offline and then upgraded automatically to W11 if the user wants and has the appropriate hardware - again simple for the average John Doe.

Cheers
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This method no longer works on Dev version (and may not on next RTM release - not sure).

There is actually an official MS way of doing it they introduced for people who do not connect pcs to internet for various reasons (often in labs).

The link below shows method (option 1).

www.ghacks.net/2022/05/13/how-to-bypass-the-microsoft-account-requirement-during-windows-setup
 

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I think the email trick is simple enough to understand for the average user
How are they even supposed to know about the fake email workaround? I'm talking about the average user who basically only knows how to check their email, use Facebook and play the games that came with the computer. A friend of mine has a saying, you only know what you know.
 

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As of yesterday, the Shift+F10 method (#22 above) still works

How are they even supposed to know about the fake email workaround? I'm talking about the average user who basically only knows how to check their email, use Facebook and play the games that came with the computer. A friend of mine has a saying, you only know what you know.
But I agree with this sentiment. The various workaround methods are straightforward (so many, I wonder why MS bother?) ... as long as the user knows about them (or even knows how to find workarounds through search engines and forums such as this).

But, having said that, would such users even be trying such actions as a clean install ... that's why us (albeit now long retired) IT consultants had/have jobs :geek:
 

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But, having said that, would such users even be trying such actions as a clean install
I only see it happening when they are setting up a new device. They are not going to know about work arounds. They are going to follow the onscreen instructions.
 

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I only see it happening when they are setting up a new device. They are not going to know about work arounds. They are going to follow the onscreen instructions.
If Microsoft says do it, thou shalt obey ... blindly. Similar signing up with a Gmail account, if Google asks for all the pesonal details under the sun (and the promise of naming your first born child "Google" ...) most users again blindly follow without a thought, and then complain about privacy invasion/infringement.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 22H2 (altest upadte ... anally always)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Slim S01
    CPU
    Intel i5-9400
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GT730
    Sound Card
    OOBE
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 32"
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 1TB SSDs
    PSU
    OOBE
    Case
    OOBE
    Cooling
    OOBE
    Keyboard
    Logitech wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    Classic Australian w.a.p.
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    KIS
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro (latest upadte ... anally always)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavillion 15
    CPU
    i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Hard Drives
    Samsung NVMe 512GB
    + numerous/multiple SSD Type C USB enclosures
    Internet Speed
    NBN FTTN 50
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    KIS

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If Microsoft says do it, thou shalt obey ... blindly. Similar signing up with a Gmail account, if Google asks for all the pesonal details under the sun (and the promise of naming your first born child "Google" ...) most users again blindly follow without a thought, and then complain about privacy invasion/infringement.
The sad part is that is so True. On another thought, The EULA. I don't have a problem with the EULA per say. It's where the user has to agree with it. Using a new computer as an example. One should be warned before they open the box and unpack the computer that they will have to agree with the EULA if they want to use the OS that is preinstalled. How many people are going to say No and repack the computer and take it back to the store. I know that by now most people know but what about the few that don't.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Dev
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy x360 15-ds1083cl
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 2.0GHZ
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Radeon
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6"
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    PCIe NVMe M.2 512GB
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security

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