Future 'rug-pull' for unsupported Win 11 installs?


mingle

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Hi Guys,

I've installed Win 11 on one of my desktop systems (5th Gen i7, no TPM) via the patched ISO method. All working fine and feeling quite comfortable.

However, I'm a little bit unsure as to whether I should get too used to it, as there is the more then likely chance that Microsoft will somehow block updates/disable/etc unsupported systems in the future.

I know there will probably be hacks/workarounds if it does happen, but I don't want to be playing whack-a-mole on my main systems. And I'm not planning on updating any of my hardware in the near/mid future. So should I just stick to Windows 10 - at least I know it'll be supported until 2025...

How do others feel?

Cheers,

Mike.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
How do others feel?
I feel MS will continue to provide updates for unsupported devices until they feel they need to include code in the OS that requires processor features that are only available in the newer processors. They will then block updates for unsupported processors else they'd crash those systems. Your guess is as good as mine as to if/when that may happen.

So I'm keeping all my unsupported PCs on Windows 10.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
So far I have seen that you only need to bypass compatibility checks when doing a clean installation or any upgrade from Windows 10 or from an old Windows 11 build to a newer build. Any other updates never check compatibility and install through Windows Update without any complain your system is unsupported. Based on this, I think the worst will happen is that we might eventually stick to a certain Windows 11 build unable to upgrade to the newer build. As long as this build is still supported by security updates (as is the case of older Windows 10 builds), we shouldn't worry. Until there is no more updates available, surely there will be some hack to upgrade to a newer build again. So I say it is safe to use Windows 11 as your main system, as long as you have frequent backup of your data in case some day you need to format and go back to Windows 10. For example, I have not yet installed Windows 11 on my main computer, but I plan to clone the whole Windows 10 hard disk on a spare disk and upgrade the clone. So if I need to go back to 10, I won't have to start with a dreadful format!

Have a look at this thread: Let's run Windows 11 on an incompatible hardware
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3672)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3672)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
I am with @Bree on that one, my unsupported machine is staying on 10
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware M18 R1
    CPU
    13th Gen Core i9 13900HX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5 @4800MHz 2x16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Geforce RTX 4090HX 16GB
    Sound Card
    Nvidia HD / Realtek ALC3254
    Monitor(s) Displays
    18" QHD+
    Screen Resolution
    25660 X 1600
    Hard Drives
    C: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    D: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    Case
    Dark Metallic Moon
    Keyboard
    Alienware M Series per-key AlienFX RGB
    Mouse
    Alienware AW610M
    Browser
    Chrome and Firefox
    Antivirus
    Norton
    Other Info
    Killer E3000 Ethernet Controller
    Killer Killer AX1690 Wi-Fi Network Adaptor Wi-Fi 6E
    Bluetooth 5.2
    Alienware Z01G Graphic Amplifier
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware Area 51m R2
    CPU
    10th Gen i-9 10900 K
    Memory
    32Gb Dual Channel DDR4 @ 8843MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia RTX 2080 Super
    Sound Card
    Nvidia
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Hard Drive C: Samsung 2TB SSD PM981a NVMe
    Hard Drive D:Samsung 2TB SSD 970 EVO Plus
    Mouse
    Alienware 610M
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Norton
I'm dual booting 10 and 11 Dev on my old sixth gen CPU laptop. If/when the Dev channel loses support then I'll simply get rid of it and carry on with 10.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Home & 🐥.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ACER Nitro AN16-41
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS Processor 3.2Ghz
    Motherboard
    RB Sierra_PEH (FP7)
    Memory
    32 GB DDR5 4800MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 8GB GDDR6
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" QHD+ 165Hz 16:10 IPS Technology
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1200
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 PRO 2TB
    PSU
    330 Watts
    Mouse
    Lenovo Bluetooth.
    Internet Speed
    500 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ACER NITRO
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5800H / 3.2 GHz
    Motherboard
    CZ Scala_CAS (FP6)
    Memory
    32 GB DDR4 SDRAM 3200 MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 6 GB GDDR6 SDRAM
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio. NVIDIA High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" LED backlight 1920 x 1080 (Full HD) 144 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 (Full HD)
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB NVMe M.2
    PSU
    180 Watt, 19.5 V
    Mouse
    Lenovo Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    500 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
My first test unsupported computer is an old Acer laptop (see my specs) and I installed Windows 11 on a spare SSD. For compatibility with old applications and peripherals I had installed Windows 10 32-bit on it, so I could not upgrade to Windows 11 64-bit anyway. I had to do a clean installation which was done with the hybrid installation media method (see relevant thread). In fact I installed the latest Insider's Preview version and then used the method of deleting the file from setup cache to upgrade to the release version. Both times successful.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3672)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3672)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Hi,
No real reason you can't keep both unless you don't have two ssd's to install 10 and 11 on
Then simply make a system image of your 10 install if you/ we get kicked off 11 just restore it after saving any new files.

Supported/ Unsupported doesn't matter it's just some features you can't use and most are security wise for ransomware ...
The same security on 10 is used on 11 so it's a no loss and no gain.

Direct storage and some other features may or may not work but 10 doesn't have them yet either so no loss or gain there either.

I have two systems that can qualify for 11 new requirements but intentionally installed 11 working around all five win-11 checks
No uefi only boot
No gpt partition system
No secure boot
No tpm
One system No supported cpu out of three.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win-7-10-11Pro's
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer 17" Nitro 7840sn/ 2x16gb 5600c40/ 4060/ stock 1tb-os/ 4tb sn850x
    CPU
    10900k & 9940x & 5930k
    Motherboard
    z490-Apex & x299-Apex & x99-Sabertooth
    Memory
    Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3600c16 4x8gb & 3200c14 4x8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Titan Xp & 1080ti FTW3 & evga 980ti gaming
    Sound Card
    Onboard Realtek x3
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
    Screen Resolution
    1920-1080 not sure what the t.v is besides 43" class scales from 1920-1080 perfectly
    Hard Drives
    2-WD-sn850x 4tb/ 970evo+500gb/ 980 pro 2tb.
    PSU
    1000p2 & 1200p2 & 850p2
    Case
    D450 x2 & 1 Test bench in cherry Entertainment center
    Cooling
    Custom water loops x3 with 2x mora 360mm rads only 980ti gaming air cooled
    Keyboard
    G710+x3
    Mouse
    Redragon x3
    Internet Speed
    xfinity gigabyte
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    mbam pro
On small SSD hard disks (120GB or 240GB) every little storage space counts. So I always prefer Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation that creates fewer partitions than UEFI (GPT). Frankly, I never noticed any difference in performance anyway. So even if I had a new compatible PC, I would be tempted to use a workaround to install Windows 11 in MBR. Beware though as some modern M.2 type SSDs are not compatible with Legacy installations (Windows Setup display an error that the disk might not be bootable), in that case UEFI is the only way to go.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3672)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3672)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
I'm dual booting 10 and 11 Dev on my old sixth gen CPU laptop. If/when the Dev channel loses support then I'll simply get rid of it and carry on with 10.

This is exactly how I'm approaching it on my machine (7th gen CPU, but compliant otherwise). And all of my data is on a third independent partition. If/when MS pulls a fast one, I'll just fall back to Win10. It won't make any difference to my workflow whatsoever.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro build 22000.65
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion PC 570-p026
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 7400 @ 3 GHz
    Motherboard
    HP Model 82F2 (U3E1)
    Memory
    12 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer V173
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    500MB Samsung Evo+ SSD
    1TB Western Digital WDC WD10EZEX-60WN4A0 (SATA) 7200 RPM
    Internet Speed
    300/300 Mbs fiber
I recently clean installed 10 on my unsupported machine before reinstalling 11; and through DISM I've extended the Go Back time and will continue to do so until such time as it may be needed should Microsoft change things such that 11 will not work on the machine. It is my music server and so not my main machine.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Wordsworth 10000
    CPU
    Core i7 10700K 3.8 GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix Z590-A Gaming Wifi
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64GB 3000MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus Radeon RX480 Strix 8GB
    Sound Card
    Asus Xonar DSX
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP 2709m
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro M.2 SSD 500GB; Samsung 980 M.2 SSD 1TB
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower Grand Platinum 850W
    Case
    Fractal Design Meshify 2
    Cooling
    CPU-Noctua NH D15 Chromax, GPU-Stock, Case-Noctua Chromax 3x140
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Natural Ergo 4000
    Mouse
    HP X500
    Internet Speed
    Cable
    Browser
    Vivaldi, MS Edge
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes 4.4.3, Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Klipsch Promedia 5.1 THX
    Asus External Blu-Ray 16D1X-USB 3.0
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Wordsworth 6000
    CPU
    Core i7 6700K 4.0 GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Z170 Pro
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 32GB 3000MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Asus GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
    Sound Card
    Asus Xonar SE
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP X24ih
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel 760p M.2 SSD 500GB; Intel 540 SSD 480GB; Intel 335 SSD 240GB
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 750W
    Case
    Lian Li PC-B70
    Cooling
    CPU- Noctua NH-D15; GPU-Stock; Case-Noctua Chromax 2x140, 2x120
    Mouse
    Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
    Internet Speed
    Cable
    Browser
    Vivaldi, MS Edge
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes 4.4.3, Windows Defender
    Other Info
    HP bd 340
    HP bd 240
    Denon DRA-800H
    Klipsch RP-600M
    Klipsch R-100SW (2)

    System 3 Specs
    Core i7 10700K 3.8 GHz
    Asus ROG Strix Z590-A Gaming Wifi
    Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 32GB 3200MHz
    Asus Radeon RX560 Dual 4GB
    Xonar SE
    Samsung 980 Pro M.2 SSD 1 TB (2)
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 850W
    Fractal Design Meshify 2
    CPU-Noctua NH D15 Chromax, GPU-Stock, Case-Noctua Chromax 2x140,1x120
Hi Guys,

I've installed Win 11 on one of my desktop systems (5th Gen i7, no TPM) via the patched ISO method. All working fine and feeling quite comfortable.

However, I'm a little bit unsure as to whether I should get too used to it, as there is the more then likely chance that Microsoft will somehow block updates/disable/etc unsupported systems in the future.

I know there will probably be hacks/workarounds if it does happen, but I don't want to be playing whack-a-mole on my main systems. And I'm not planning on updating any of my hardware in the near/mid future. So should I just stick to Windows 10 - at least I know it'll be supported until 2025...

How do others feel?

Cheers,

Mike.
Gee.. I can't speak for the others but I wouldn't run 11 on non compliant hardware just because MS might cut off support. Others will disagree but that's up to them to decide on what to do with their devices.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home(Release Preview ) - 24H2 - 26100.863
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banana Junior 5600- G Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X
    Monitor(s) Displays
    28" ASUS VP28U
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    Zalman i3 NEO
    Cooling
    ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
    Internet Speed
    Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
    Browser
    Firefox and Edge
    Antivirus
    MS - Defender
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
Gee.. I can't speak for the others but I wouldn't run 11 on non compliant hardware just because MS might cut off support. Others will disagree but that's up to them to decide on what to do with their devices.

Several comments describe how people are dealing with this. It doesn't have to be a big deal.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro build 22000.65
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion PC 570-p026
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 7400 @ 3 GHz
    Motherboard
    HP Model 82F2 (U3E1)
    Memory
    12 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer V173
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    500MB Samsung Evo+ SSD
    1TB Western Digital WDC WD10EZEX-60WN4A0 (SATA) 7200 RPM
    Internet Speed
    300/300 Mbs fiber
MS already has the code needed to verify hardware "compliance" for Windows 11 as they have distributed it as a utility.

It would take little work on their part to repackage that as a Security Update, push it out to all Win11 PCs and when it runs, any PC that no longer passes all the checks gets disabled.

Not saying they WILL do this -- but there is nothing to stop them from doing it.

Which is why I have a Win10 image backup of the "incompatible" PCs I am using with Win11. If they get disabled, a reboot with an MR boot USB and a few minutes later, each one is back running Windows 10.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Ryzen 5600X
    Motherboard
    ASRock Steel Legend
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GT 710
    Sound Card
    None
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23",24", 19" - flat panels
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1200
    Hard Drives
    None - only M.2 SATA and NVMe drives
    PSU
    750W
    Case
    Antec
    Cooling
    stock Wraith cooler
    Keyboard
    Corsair gaming
    Mouse
    Logitech M720
    Internet Speed
    1Gb
when it runs, any PC that no longer passes all the checks gets disabled.

Not saying they WILL do this -- but there is nothing to stop them from doing it.
That's a bit draconian. MS don't need the bad press from bricking millions of PCs.

What is far more likely is that they will just stop providing new updates through Windows Update for unsupported devices, and prevent the newer updates downloaded from the update catalog from installing, saying 'this update is not appropriate for this PC'.

The mechanism to do this is already in place. MS have already been blocking Windows 7 from getting any of the W7 Extended Security Updates MS have continued to issue since 14 January 2020. This is the latest monthly rollup for W7, issued 12 October 2021, for example.

IMPORTANT Customers who have purchased the Extended Security Update (ESU) for on-premises versions of these operating systems must follow the procedures in KB4522133 to continue receiving security updates after extended support ends. Extended support ends as follows:
  • For Windows 7 Service Pack 1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1, extended support ends on January 14, 2020.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
I've got a macrium image of Win 10 if I need to roll back. But, I am hopeful I won't need it 😎
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo
    CPU
    QuadCore Intel Core i5-10210U, 3300 MHz
    Motherboard
    Lenovo ThinkPad E15
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon RX 640, Intel(R) UHD Graphics
    Sound Card
    Conexant CX8070 @ Intel Comet Point-LP PCH - cAVS
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080p
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG MZVLB256HBHQ-000L7 (256 GB)
    ST2000LM007-1R8174 (2 TB, 5400 RPM, SATA-III)
    Browser
    Firefox / Chrome / Edge / Vivaldi
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Total Security
I have an unsupported machine dual booting Win 10 and Win 11 dev. Yesterday morning the Dev build would not get any updates. My supported machine on 11 was fine, I thought then that was it for the unsupported updates. Then yesterday evening they worked again. When (if) they stop coming through I'll revert to just a single W10 install on that machine
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro Beta, 11 Dev, W11 Canary
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Alienware M15 Ryzen Edition R6
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen™ 9 5900HX
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070 8GB GDDR6
    Hard Drives
    1 x Samsung 980 Pro 1TB
    1 x Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB
Another way to test Windows 11 is to install them on a virtual machine. I am using VMware Player as I find has more features than VirtualBox and the like.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 64-bit (build 22631.3672)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v23H2 (build 22631.3672)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    Gainward NE5105T018G1-1070F (nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Patriot Burst Elite 480GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Stock Intel CPU Fan, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
I have to find one of these for my Z170 :)
I have found them but I`m not paying $80 to $100 for a $20 part.

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Skylake Special X299
    CPU
    Intel Core i9 9900X
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix X299-E Gaming II
    Memory
    GSkill Trident Z RGB 32GB 3600 16-16-16-36 (F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 3080 12GB FTW3 Ultra Gaming (12G-P5-4877-KL)
    Sound Card
    Supreme FX
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PG279Q
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440 165Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro 500GB x2, Seagate Barracuda 4TB x2, Western Digital Black 4TB x1
    PSU
    EVGA 1200 P2, EVGA Black Custom Braided Cables
    Case
    Thermaltake View 31 Tempered Glass Limited Edition
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i, Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut
    Keyboard
    Logitech G910 Orion Spark
    Mouse
    Logitech G700s, Asus ROG GX860 Buzzard
    Internet Speed
    Verizon Fios Quantum Gateway 75/75
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes 4.5.2
    Other Info
    Thermaltake Riing Duo 14 x3, Thermaltake Riing Plus 14 x2, Corsair HS70 Pro Wireless Headset
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Skylake Special Z170
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 6700K
    Motherboard
    Asus Sabertooth Z170 Mark 1
    Memory
    GSkill Trident Z RGB 16GB 3600 16-16-16-36 (F4-3600C16D-16GTZR)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC x2, EVGA Pro SLI Bridge
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC G2460PG
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 144Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 870 Evo 500GB, Seagate Barracuda 4TB x2
    PSU
    EVGA 1000 P2, EVGA White Custom Braided Cables
    Case
    Corsair Vengeance C70 Gunmetal Black
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i v2, Corsair ML120 x2, Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut
    Mouse
    Logitech G500s
    Keyboard
    Logitech G910 Orion Spectrum
    Internet Speed
    Verizon Fios Quantum Gateway 75/75
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes 4.5.2
    Other Info
    Corsair SP120 x4, LG Blu-ray Drive, Durabrand HT-395 100 Watt Dolby Digital Amp
I have to find one of these for my Z170 :)
I have found them but I`m not paying $80 to $100 for a $20 part.

There's a thread where someone installed one of those TPM modules (can't find it now) but it didn't work very well. Was better off setting up TPM in the UEFI.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Home & 🐥.
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ACER Nitro AN16-41
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS Processor 3.2Ghz
    Motherboard
    RB Sierra_PEH (FP7)
    Memory
    32 GB DDR5 4800MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 8GB GDDR6
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" QHD+ 165Hz 16:10 IPS Technology
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1200
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 PRO 2TB
    PSU
    330 Watts
    Mouse
    Lenovo Bluetooth.
    Internet Speed
    500 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ACER NITRO
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5800H / 3.2 GHz
    Motherboard
    CZ Scala_CAS (FP6)
    Memory
    32 GB DDR4 SDRAM 3200 MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 6 GB GDDR6 SDRAM
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio. NVIDIA High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" LED backlight 1920 x 1080 (Full HD) 144 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 (Full HD)
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB NVMe M.2
    PSU
    180 Watt, 19.5 V
    Mouse
    Lenovo Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    500 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
I have a suspicion that MS will stop supplying updates to Win 11 on unsupported devices around the time Win 10 becomes unsupported.
Why? I have no doubt that some Win 10 users will be holding back on upgrading unsupported devices until 2025 & then they’ll attempt to upgrade in the hope that Win 11 will extend their machine’s life a little longer & receive updates.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 64bit
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PC Specialist Optimus VII V17-960 Gaming Laptop.
    CPU
    6th Gen Intel Core i7-6700HQ Quad Core processor.
    Memory
    16GB HyperX IMPACT 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 (2 x 8GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960M - 2.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12
    Sound Card
    Intel 2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster™ Cinema 2 & Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Optimus Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
    Screen Resolution
    Full HD IPS display (1920 x 1080).
    Hard Drives
    4TB SSD (internal).
    1x 1TB & 1x 5TB external HDDs.
    Cooling
    STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800 wireless keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech M705 wireless mouse
    Internet Speed
    Upto 100Mbps
    Browser
    Edge.
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender & MalwareBytes pro.
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