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FIREMEDIC2700

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I am running windows 11 on a unsupported pc.

Device name BRYAN-PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.20 GHz
Installed RAM 24.0 GB (23.9 GB usable)
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
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Edition Windows 11 Pro Insider Preview
Version Dev
Installed on ‎10/‎5/‎2021
OS build 22471.1000
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22471.1000.0

the only thing missing is tpm 2.0 (tpm 1.2 installed ) and the cpu reqirement.
I am on the dev insider preview channel
I used a in place upgrade . Should i have done a clean install ?
Should i leave the insiders program all together or just switch to another channel ?
what version is the on you get from the windows 11 upgrade advisor.
As of right now still getting all updates ie quality , definition , cumulative updates .
if i am correct the only way to come of the dev channel is to do a clean install of win 10 and start over ?
 
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Hi and welcome to the forum..
Yes.. you would have to perform a clean instillation to go to either 10 or another channel in the insider program or the final release version. Since the dev is beyond all of the others you can't just drop out and use the others.

From here on it's up to you.. what are your long term plans? If you want a sable version of 11 but still want more current updates the Beta channel is for you and yes,., there are ways to install 11 on an non compliant device.. But keep in mind it's not advised. HTH



 

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FIREMEDIC2700

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Hi and welcome to the forum..
Yes.. you would have to perform a clean instillation to go to either 10 or another channel in the insider program or the final release version. Since the dev is beyond all of the others you can't just drop out and use the others.

From here on it's up to you.. what are your long term plans? If you want a sable version of 11 but still want more current updates the Beta channel is for you and yes,., there are ways to install 11 on an non compliant device.. But keep in mind it's not advised. HTH


Thank you for the quick reply ,
whats the major diffrence in a in place upgrade vs a clean install ?
other than a in place keeps your files and drivers etc ?
 

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Thank you for the quick reply ,
whats the major diffrence in a in place upgrade vs a clean install ?
other than a in place keeps your files and drivers etc ?
I would try the in place upgrade and see how it goes before I go for the clean., I think you will lose everything either way but it can't hurt to try the in place first.
HTH
 

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    Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 2666 MHz DDR4 - 16GB
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FIREMEDIC2700

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I would try the in place upgrade and see how it goes before I go for the clean., I think you will lose everything either way but it can't hurt to try the in place first.
HTH
Well i did the inplace upgrade and it kept everything.
But since i got to do a clean install of 10 again to get off the dev insider program.
I was just currious about a clean install of 11 or go back to inplace up grade.
Do you know what the version is from the windows 11 iso from ms is .
 

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Well i did the inplace upgrade and it kept everything.
But since i got to do a clean install of 10 again to get off the dev insider program.
I was just currious about a clean install of 11 or go back to inplace up grade.
Do you know what the version is from the windows 11 iso from ms is .
If you have the ISO from MS then you can do a clean instillation using that as long as you follow the instructions provided by MS. The key for 10 will work just fine with 11. Or you can install 10 and stay with that.
 

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    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime B350M-E
    Memory
    Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 2666 MHz DDR4 - 16GB
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    GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB
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    On motherboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viotek 32" Curved, ViewSonic 27"
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barman58

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the Dev channel is now been reset and is working towards the Ist update to Windows 11 due sometime in 2022, (probably in the fall given Micro Microsoft's intention for a single Feature update each year.

A clean install or an inplace update are more or less the same at this early stage of the Dev cycle

If you leave the Insiders, with your non compliant System Microsoft would advise you to return to Windows 10 but there are options available ( most if not all explained on these forums) if you wish to run Windows 11.

You can stay with the Dev channel if you wish, this is the only active Prerelease channel for Windows 11 and would expect the first Beta in a fair few months away.

The final Beta and thus the version now being offered through the Microsoft official channels (Windows Update Etc), is version 22000.194 and is available in various formats for install. Check the methods available to circumvent the Hardware requirements which are now in place , and the possible issues (no updates Etc), that may result from installing without meeting the requirements

You will need a Clean install to leave the Dev Channel, but either Windows 10 or 11 could be the OS installed - with the caveats explained above

Hopefully this will help with your decision but also have a look through the existing detailed posts available on the forum to clarify any issues
 

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FIREMEDIC2700

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If you have the ISO from MS then you can do a clean instillation using that as long as you follow the instructions provided by MS. The key for 10 will work just fine with 11. Or you can install 10 and stay with that.
ok :
My final question is a magic 8 ball one.
i am confused about the updates.
will they stop all together or will we be able to manually update
 

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ok :
My final question is a magic 8 ball one.
i am confused about the updates.
will they stop all together or will we be able to manually update
I don't know.. I would stick with 10 due to the uncertainty of the future updates. Or you can install 10 and your apps, do an in place upgrade to 11 after you make a backup of your 10 system to ensure you can go back to 10 if you run into issues with 11.
 

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    ASUS Prime B350M-E
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If the updates do stop automatically being provided the information on all updates will be posted on the forum with download links, they should also be manually downloadable options from the Microsoft update catalogue if you ever have a lot to do at once
 

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If the updates do stop automatically being provided the information on all updates will be posted on the forum with download links, they should also be manually downloadable options from the Microsoft update catalogue if you ever have a lot to do at once
Yes,, I do believe that there will be a way to update 11 on non supported devices but it's smart to have a backup of a 10 setup. Just in case.
 

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    AMD Ryze 3 3200G
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    ASUS Prime B350M-E
    Memory
    Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 2666 MHz DDR4 - 16GB
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    GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB
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    On motherboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viotek 32" Curved, ViewSonic 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1080P
    Hard Drives
    Primary Samsung 256 SSD
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    NZXT 510
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FIREMEDIC2700

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Great info guys .
i apperciate the quick responses.
i have a buddy still runing windows 7 in 2021 lol . and he does not seem to have any issues. i guess it all depends on how you use your pc
 

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Great info guys .
i apperciate the quick responses.
i have a buddy still runing windows 7 in 2021 lol . and he does not seem to have any issues. i guess it all depends on how you use your pc
YW and glad to help out.
 

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  • Operating System
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    Banna Junior 6K - E Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryze 3 3200G
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime B350M-E
    Memory
    Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 2666 MHz DDR4 - 16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB
    Sound Card
    On motherboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viotek 32" Curved, ViewSonic 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1080P
    Hard Drives
    Primary Samsung 256 SSD
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
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    NZXT 510
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    Stock AMD cooler
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barman58

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There are major companies still running on Windows 7 in 2021, though most are now looking at updating to later software as the hardware available now is often not well supported for use on Win7
 

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    Chillblast to my design
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5950X, 4.9GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Prime X570-Pro Motherboard
    Memory
    64GB DDR4 3200MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1650 Ti - HDMI, DP
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    On motherboard Feeding SPDiF 5.1 system
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" UHD 32 Bit HDR Monitor + 43" UHD 4K 32Bit HDR TV
    Screen Resolution
    2 x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    1TB M2 SSD OS, 500GB Fast Access SSD, 2 x 8TB Data + Various Externals from 1TB to 4TB, 10TB NAS
    PSU
    NZXT C750 80 PLUS Gold 750W Modular PSU
    Case
    Chillblast Silent Workstation PC Case - Black
    Cooling
    NZXT Kraken X63 280mm CPU Cooler, Quiet Case fans Fan
    Keyboard
    Wireless Logitec MX Keys + K830 [Depending on where I'm Sat]
    Mouse
    Wireless Logitec - MX Master 3 + M570 Trackball
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    72 MB Down 18.5 MB Up
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    Latest Chrome
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    BitDefender Total Security 2021
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    Samsung Note S20
    Wacom Pro Medium Pen Pad
    Wacom Pro Small Pen Pad
    Wacom ExpressKey Remote
    Loopdeck+ Graphics Controller
    Shuttle Pro v2 Control Pad
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro x64 [Latest release]
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 17 9700
    CPU
    i7 10750H
    Motherboard
    Stock
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Stock Intel + GTX 1650 Ti
    Sound Card
    Stock 4 speaker
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Stock 17"
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160 HDR touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    2TB M2
    PSU
    Stock
    Case
    Stock Aluminium / Carbon Fibre
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    Stock + 2 fan cooling pad
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