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FIREMEDIC2700

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I am running windows 11 on a unsupported pc.

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Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.20 GHz
Installed RAM 24.0 GB (23.9 GB usable)
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Edition Windows 11 Pro Insider Preview
Version Dev
Installed on ‎10/‎5/‎2021
OS build 22471.1000
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22471.1000.0

the only thing missing is tpm 2.0 (tpm 1.2 installed ) and the cpu reqirement.
I am on the dev insider preview channel
I used a in place upgrade . Should i have done a clean install ?
Should i leave the insiders program all together or just switch to another channel ?
what version is the on you get from the windows 11 upgrade advisor.
As of right now still getting all updates ie quality , definition , cumulative updates .
if i am correct the only way to come of the dev channel is to do a clean install of win 10 and start over ?
 
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Windows 11 Pro Insider Preview Version Dev

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    HP ELITEDESK800 G1 SFF
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    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.20 GHz
    Memory
    24.0 GB (23.9 GB usable)
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    NVIDA G 210
Hi and welcome to the forum..
Yes.. you would have to perform a clean instillation to go to either 10 or another channel in the insider program or the final release version. Since the dev is beyond all of the others you can't just drop out and use the others.

From here on it's up to you.. what are your long term plans? If you want a sable version of 11 but still want more current updates the Beta channel is for you and yes,., there are ways to install 11 on an non compliant device.. But keep in mind it's not advised. HTH



 

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Hi and welcome to the forum..
Yes.. you would have to perform a clean instillation to go to either 10 or another channel in the insider program or the final release version. Since the dev is beyond all of the others you can't just drop out and use the others.

From here on it's up to you.. what are your long term plans? If you want a sable version of 11 but still want more current updates the Beta channel is for you and yes,., there are ways to install 11 on an non compliant device.. But keep in mind it's not advised. HTH


Thank you for the quick reply ,
whats the major diffrence in a in place upgrade vs a clean install ?
other than a in place keeps your files and drivers etc ?
 

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  • OS
    windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ELITEDESK800 G1 SFF
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.20 GHz
    Memory
    24.0 GB (23.9 GB usable)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDA G 210
Thank you for the quick reply ,
whats the major diffrence in a in place upgrade vs a clean install ?
other than a in place keeps your files and drivers etc ?
I would try the in place upgrade and see how it goes before I go for the clean., I think you will lose everything either way but it can't hurt to try the in place first.
HTH
 

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    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
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    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
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    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
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    NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X
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    Viotek 32", 28" ASUS VP28U
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I would try the in place upgrade and see how it goes before I go for the clean., I think you will lose everything either way but it can't hurt to try the in place first.
HTH
Well i did the inplace upgrade and it kept everything.
But since i got to do a clean install of 10 again to get off the dev insider program.
I was just currious about a clean install of 11 or go back to inplace up grade.
Do you know what the version is from the windows 11 iso from ms is .
 

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  • OS
    windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ELITEDESK800 G1 SFF
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.20 GHz
    Memory
    24.0 GB (23.9 GB usable)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDA G 210
Well i did the inplace upgrade and it kept everything.
But since i got to do a clean install of 10 again to get off the dev insider program.
I was just currious about a clean install of 11 or go back to inplace up grade.
Do you know what the version is from the windows 11 iso from ms is .
If you have the ISO from MS then you can do a clean instillation using that as long as you follow the instructions provided by MS. The key for 10 will work just fine with 11. Or you can install 10 and stay with that.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home(Beta) - 23H2 - 22635.3495
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banana Junior 5600- G Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viotek 32", 28" ASUS VP28U
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    Zalman i3 NEO
    Cooling
    ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
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    Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
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the Dev channel is now been reset and is working towards the Ist update to Windows 11 due sometime in 2022, (probably in the fall given Micro Microsoft's intention for a single Feature update each year.

A clean install or an inplace update are more or less the same at this early stage of the Dev cycle

If you leave the Insiders, with your non compliant System Microsoft would advise you to return to Windows 10 but there are options available ( most if not all explained on these forums) if you wish to run Windows 11.

You can stay with the Dev channel if you wish, this is the only active Prerelease channel for Windows 11 and would expect the first Beta in a fair few months away.

The final Beta and thus the version now being offered through the Microsoft official channels (Windows Update Etc), is version 22000.194 and is available in various formats for install. Check the methods available to circumvent the Hardware requirements which are now in place , and the possible issues (no updates Etc), that may result from installing without meeting the requirements

You will need a Clean install to leave the Dev Channel, but either Windows 10 or 11 could be the OS installed - with the caveats explained above

Hopefully this will help with your decision but also have a look through the existing detailed posts available on the forum to clarify any issues
 

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    Windows 11 Pro x64 [Latest Release Preview] [Win11 PRO HighEnd MUP-00005 DD]
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    Scan 3XS to my design
    CPU
    AMD RYZEN 9 7950X OEM
    Motherboard
    *3XS*ASUS TUF B650 PLUS WIFI
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    64GB [2x32GB Corsair Vengeance 560 AMD DDR5]
    Graphics Card(s)
    3XS* ASUS DUAL RTX 4060 OC 8G
    Sound Card
    On motherboard Feeding SPDiF 5.1 system [plus local sound to each monitor]
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" UHD 32 Bit HDR Monitor + 43" UHD 4K 32Bit HDR TV
    Screen Resolution
    2 x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3XS Samsung 980Pro 2TB M.2 PCIe4 4 x 8TB Data + Various Externals from 1TB to 8TB, 10TB NAS
    PSU
    3XS Corsair RM850x 850w Fully Modular
    Case
    FDesign Define 7 XL BK TGL Case - Black
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    3XS iCUE H150i ELITE Liquid Cool, Quiet Case fans
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    32 GB
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If you have the ISO from MS then you can do a clean instillation using that as long as you follow the instructions provided by MS. The key for 10 will work just fine with 11. Or you can install 10 and stay with that.
ok :
My final question is a magic 8 ball one.
i am confused about the updates.
will they stop all together or will we be able to manually update
 

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System One

  • OS
    windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ELITEDESK800 G1 SFF
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.20 GHz
    Memory
    24.0 GB (23.9 GB usable)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDA G 210
ok :
My final question is a magic 8 ball one.
i am confused about the updates.
will they stop all together or will we be able to manually update
I don't know.. I would stick with 10 due to the uncertainty of the future updates. Or you can install 10 and your apps, do an in place upgrade to 11 after you make a backup of your 10 system to ensure you can go back to 10 if you run into issues with 11.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home(Beta) - 23H2 - 22635.3495
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banana Junior 5600- G Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X
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    Viotek 32", 28" ASUS VP28U
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
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    Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    Zalman i3 NEO
    Cooling
    ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
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    Corsair
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    Amazon Generic with Cord
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If the updates do stop automatically being provided the information on all updates will be posted on the forum with download links, they should also be manually downloadable options from the Microsoft update catalogue if you ever have a lot to do at once
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64 [Latest Release Preview] [Win11 PRO HighEnd MUP-00005 DD]
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Scan 3XS to my design
    CPU
    AMD RYZEN 9 7950X OEM
    Motherboard
    *3XS*ASUS TUF B650 PLUS WIFI
    Memory
    64GB [2x32GB Corsair Vengeance 560 AMD DDR5]
    Graphics Card(s)
    3XS* ASUS DUAL RTX 4060 OC 8G
    Sound Card
    On motherboard Feeding SPDiF 5.1 system [plus local sound to each monitor]
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" UHD 32 Bit HDR Monitor + 43" UHD 4K 32Bit HDR TV
    Screen Resolution
    2 x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3XS Samsung 980Pro 2TB M.2 PCIe4 4 x 8TB Data + Various Externals from 1TB to 8TB, 10TB NAS
    PSU
    3XS Corsair RM850x 850w Fully Modular
    Case
    FDesign Define 7 XL BK TGL Case - Black
    Cooling
    3XS iCUE H150i ELITE Liquid Cool, Quiet Case fans
    Keyboard
    Wireless Logitec MX Keys + K830 [Depending on where I'm Sat]
    Mouse
    Wireless Logitec - MX Master 3S +
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    950 MB Down 55 MB Up
    Browser
    Latest Chrome
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    BitDefender Total Security [Latest]
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    Wacom Pro Small Pen Pad
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    Loopdeck+ Graphics Controller
    Shuttle Pro v2 Control Pad
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro x64 [Latest release]
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    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 17 9700
    CPU
    i7 10750H
    Motherboard
    Stock
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Stock Intel + GTX 1650 Ti
    Sound Card
    Stock 4 speaker
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Stock 17" + 32" 4K 3840 x 2160 HDR-10
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2400 HDR touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    2TB M2 NVMe
    PSU
    Stock
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    Stock Aluminium / Carbon Fibre
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    Stock + 2 fan cooling pad
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    Stock Trackpad +Logi Mx Master 3 or MX Ergo Trackball
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    Stock Illuminated + Logi - MX Keys
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    Browser
    Latest Chrome
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    BitDefender Total Security 2021
    Other Info
    Also use an Adjustable Support for Laptop and Adjustable stand for monitor
If the updates do stop automatically being provided the information on all updates will be posted on the forum with download links, they should also be manually downloadable options from the Microsoft update catalogue if you ever have a lot to do at once
Yes,, I do believe that there will be a way to update 11 on non supported devices but it's smart to have a backup of a 10 setup. Just in case.
 

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  • OS
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    Manufacturer/Model
    Banana Junior 5600- G Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viotek 32", 28" ASUS VP28U
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    Zalman i3 NEO
    Cooling
    ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
    Internet Speed
    Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
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    Firefox and Edge
    Antivirus
    MS - Defender
    Other Info
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Great info guys .
i apperciate the quick responses.
i have a buddy still runing windows 7 in 2021 lol . and he does not seem to have any issues. i guess it all depends on how you use your pc
 

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  • OS
    windows 11
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP ELITEDESK800 G1 SFF
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.20 GHz
    Memory
    24.0 GB (23.9 GB usable)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDA G 210
Great info guys .
i apperciate the quick responses.
i have a buddy still runing windows 7 in 2021 lol . and he does not seem to have any issues. i guess it all depends on how you use your pc
YW and glad to help out.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home(Beta) - 23H2 - 22635.3495
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banana Junior 5600- G Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viotek 32", 28" ASUS VP28U
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    Zalman i3 NEO
    Cooling
    ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
    Internet Speed
    Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
    Browser
    Firefox and Edge
    Antivirus
    MS - Defender
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
There are major companies still running on Windows 7 in 2021, though most are now looking at updating to later software as the hardware available now is often not well supported for use on Win7
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64 [Latest Release Preview] [Win11 PRO HighEnd MUP-00005 DD]
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Scan 3XS to my design
    CPU
    AMD RYZEN 9 7950X OEM
    Motherboard
    *3XS*ASUS TUF B650 PLUS WIFI
    Memory
    64GB [2x32GB Corsair Vengeance 560 AMD DDR5]
    Graphics Card(s)
    3XS* ASUS DUAL RTX 4060 OC 8G
    Sound Card
    On motherboard Feeding SPDiF 5.1 system [plus local sound to each monitor]
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" UHD 32 Bit HDR Monitor + 43" UHD 4K 32Bit HDR TV
    Screen Resolution
    2 x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3XS Samsung 980Pro 2TB M.2 PCIe4 4 x 8TB Data + Various Externals from 1TB to 8TB, 10TB NAS
    PSU
    3XS Corsair RM850x 850w Fully Modular
    Case
    FDesign Define 7 XL BK TGL Case - Black
    Cooling
    3XS iCUE H150i ELITE Liquid Cool, Quiet Case fans
    Keyboard
    Wireless Logitec MX Keys + K830 [Depending on where I'm Sat]
    Mouse
    Wireless Logitec - MX Master 3S +
    Internet Speed
    950 MB Down 55 MB Up
    Browser
    Latest Chrome
    Antivirus
    BitDefender Total Security [Latest]
    Other Info
    Also run...
    Dell XPS 17 Laptop
    HP Laptop 8GB - Windows 10 Pro x64 HP 15.2"
    Nexus 7 Android tablet [x2]
    Samsung 10.2" tablet
    Blackview 10.2 Tablet
    Sony Z3 Android Smartphone
    Samsung S9 Plus Smartphone
    Wacom Pro Medium Pen Pad
    Wacom Pro Small Pen Pad
    Wacom ExpressKey Remote
    Loopdeck+ Graphics Controller
    Shuttle Pro v2 Control Pad
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro x64 [Latest release]
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 17 9700
    CPU
    i7 10750H
    Motherboard
    Stock
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Stock Intel + GTX 1650 Ti
    Sound Card
    Stock 4 speaker
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Stock 17" + 32" 4K 3840 x 2160 HDR-10
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2400 HDR touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    2TB M2 NVMe
    PSU
    Stock
    Case
    Stock Aluminium / Carbon Fibre
    Cooling
    Stock + 2 fan cooling pad
    Mouse
    Stock Trackpad +Logi Mx Master 3 or MX Ergo Trackball
    Keyboard
    Stock Illuminated + Logi - MX Keys
    Internet Speed
    950 MB Down 55 MB Up
    Browser
    Latest Chrome
    Antivirus
    BitDefender Total Security 2021
    Other Info
    Also use an Adjustable Support for Laptop and Adjustable stand for monitor

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