How do I turn off Windows defender in latest build (22598.200)


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Hi folks

I thought I'd give this release (22598.200) another try in a VM by installing from scratch.

Snag 1 -- You need to have an Internet connection - even for W11 Pro version. As I install the Virtio Network drivers after instal;l that meant back to the Host and fiddle around to pass thru a real NIC adpter -- OK got passed that stage.

Install went OK.

Snag 2 "Certificate problem" when installing some of the Newer Vindows Virtio drivers -- so needed to source the previous version iso. OK that got passed - what seemed to be missing was the popup for the "Red Hat drivers" to install yes / no OK - finally got passed that stage.

Mega snag 3 can't disable Windows defender - I'm sure there's a registry hack etc for this but I haven't a clue.

I always like to turn off WD for a test (while isolating the HOST and the VM from the Internet and other devices and then run a "Test Virus on it". Ive a file with a few of these for doing this type of test. That shows me at a "base" level how resilient the Windows system is.

If it gets infected I then try WD to see if WD can detect it. Either way I clean the VM and restore from backup image.

anyway I get this now when trying to disable WD -- in Eng it's basically saying "Not authorized".

So Gurus - anyway to disable it temporarily. I can understand Ms wanting to tighten security "for the masses" - but some of us want to test things properly !!! I lagi means Exit - so there's no option to switch WD off .

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cheers
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Mega snag 3 can't disable Windows defender - I'm sure there's a registry hack etc for this but I haven't a clue....

anyway I get this now when trying to disable WD -- in Eng it's basically saying "Not authorized".
That's odd, you are not even getting as far as opening Windows Security. The screenshot you show is Settings > Privacy & security > Windows Security, and you appear to be being denied access when you click the 'Open Windows Security' button.

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I can open Windows Security, and from there I can turn off protection temporarily.

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    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

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    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
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    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

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    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

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That's odd, you are not even getting as far as opening Windows Security. The screenshot you show is Settings > Privacy & security > Windows Security, and you appear to be being denied access when you click the 'Open Windows Security' button.

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I can open Windows Security, and from there I can turn off protection temporarily.

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Hi there
Even when I turn the wretched thing off with the registry setting it still pops up.

Anyway that's enough wasting time on this build both via "Update" and New install via ISO.

Cheers
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Jimbo, it seems you have some permission issues on your system. Everything Bree just demonstrated works for me too.
 

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Jimbo, it seems you have some permission issues on your system. Everything Bree just demonstrated works for me too.
A few people seem to be complaining that this build is a 'train wreck' with multiple issues. That's not been my experience, it's been the most stable yet - and I'm running it on real hardware, a 2-in-1 convertible, so that I can play with test the Tablet Optimised Taskbar. That was prone to crashing Explorer in earlier builds, but not in this one.
 

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

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That was prone to crashing Explorer in earlier builds, but not in this one.
I had Explorer crashes in .1, other hardware issues in .100 ( I suspect this has to do with aggressive power management changes in Windows), but .200 seems to be good so far.
 

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My explorer crashes were specific to using the Tablet Optimised Taskbar. In Build 22581 explorer crashed frequently when it was in use, less so in 22593, and (so far) not at all since updating to 22598.1.
 

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    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
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    Edge, Firefox
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    Defender
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
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    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

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Thanks for replies -- However I think for me this build for one reason or other isnt working for me so I'm not spending any more time on it. There's bound to be a new one in a week or so.

Anyway always appreciate the replies.

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Mega snag 3 can't disable Windows defender - I'm sure there's a registry hack etc for this but I haven't a clue.

I always like to turn off WD for a test (while isolating the HOST and the VM from the Internet and other devices and then run a "Test Virus on it". Ive a file with a few of these for doing this type of test. That shows me at a "base" level how resilient the Windows system is.

If it gets infected I then try WD to see if WD can detect it. Either way I clean the VM and restore from backup image.

anyway I get this now when trying to disable WD -- in Eng it's basically saying "Not authorized".

So Gurus - anyway to disable it temporarily. I can understand Ms wanting to tighten security "for the masses" - but some of us want to test things properly !!! I lagi means Exit - so there's no option to switch WD off .
ToggleDefender FTW

That's the first thing I run when I install Windows
 

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ToggleDefender FTW

That's the first thing I run when I install Windows
Note that was an old install where I had a few things wrong including not allowing enough storage space etc. It's running OK now

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