Solved i7 or i9?

Catnip · Sep 14, 2024

So I am contemplating a new build and I am going to go Intel this time. My i7-13000-something at work blows the doors off of my Ryzen 5800X that I have at home and I am really impressed with it. I am not a huge gamer, but I run a lot of engineering software that runs way better if I have lots of cores.

So I am wondering: Should I buy an i9 CPU rather than the i7 for future proofing? The i7 is fine for what I am doing. At least the one at work is, and I assume that 14th generation will be even better.

I am going to pair this with an Nvidia RTX 4070 Ti Super, or a 4080 because of well, gaming, and CAD software, Photoshop, etc.

I am not concerned about price. I want the best hardware I can get, but I don't need overkill. That's why I am asking if the i9 is too much CPU for me.

Thoughts?

antspants · Sep 14, 2024

Catnip said:
That's why I am asking if the i9 is too much CPU for me.

Go for it!!

cereberus · Sep 14, 2024

I bought an i9 laptop and coupled with an nvme, it runs like muck off a shovel compared with older i7 laptop (also nvme).

Best to wait until 14th gen as some (not mine) 13th gen cpus have had some well reported reliability issues.

Catnip · Sep 14, 2024

cereberus said:
I bought an i9 laptop and coupled with an nvme, it runs like muck off a shovel compared with older i7 laptop (also nvme).

Best to wait until 14th gen as some (not mine) 13th gen cpus have had some well reported reliability issues.

Yes, I have been reading about the reliability issues. I will definitely buy a 14th gen chip no matter what I buy, just to get around that very problem. My 13th gen at work doesn't seem to suffer from the reliability problem so far, though I have been looking for a BIOS update for my mobo to fix the microcode just to be safe.

PerpetualCycle · Sep 14, 2024

Arrow Lake (15th gen) is coming soon. I think the S (desktop) processor line is sometime around the end of October. But then you would want to wait for reviews, etc., and they may be hard to obtain until end-of-year You might want to google and see current information on Arrow lake, e.g.:

Intel Core Ultra 9 285K "Arrow Lake" CPU Blazes Past Core i9-14900KS & Ryzen 9 9950X In Benchmark Leak

Intel's Core Ultra 9 285K "Arrow Lake" CPU has leaked in Geekbench 6 again and this time it beats the Core i9-14900KS & Ryzen 9 9950X chips.

wccftech.com

Disclosure: I haven't read the above article so can't endorse it. Just an example.

Arrow lake has new naming. i9 -> Ultra 9.

Current Gen i7 or i9? It depends on how much processing power you need. The i9 will run a lot hotter than the i7 under loads. They are hard to cool under loads. You would want at least an 360mm AIO water cooler IMO. I even run my 13900KS with hyperthreading turned off to help cool it.

EDIT: Arrow lake should have a AI accelerator co-processor.

bobkn · Sep 14, 2024

Catnip said:
Yes, I have been reading about the reliability issues. I will definitely buy a 14th gen chip no matter what I buy, just to get around that very problem. My 13th gen at work doesn't seem to suffer from the reliability problem so far, though I have been looking for a BIOS update for my mobo to fix the microcode just to be safe.

Catnip said:
So I am contemplating a new build and I am going to go Intel this time. My i7-13000-something at work blows the doors off of my Ryzen 5800X that I have at home and I am really impressed with it. I am not a huge gamer, but I run a lot of engineering software that runs way better if I have lots of cores.

So I am wondering: Should I buy an i9 CPU rather than the i7 for future proofing? The i7 is fine for what I am doing. At least the one at work is, and I assume that 14th generation will be even better.

I am going to pair this with an Nvidia RTX 4070 Ti Super, or a 4080 because of well, gaming, and CAD software, Photoshop, etc.

I am not concerned about price. I want the best hardware I can get, but I don't need overkill. That's why I am asking if the i9 is too much CPU for me.

Thoughts?

At Newegg, the least expensive new RTX 4070 ti sold by Newegg itself is $740US. RTX 4080, $990.

An I7-14700K is $372. I9-14900K, $547. I9-14900KS, $630.

My point is that the difference between the I7 and the KS is $258. For the more sensible I9 (the KS is just a slightly upclocked version), $175. Not a large fraction of the system cost, either way.

The only reason to avoid the I9 is, IMHO, that it may require better cooling than the I7

If you like automotive metaphors (I don't), you won't make excessive tire smoke with an I9.

For CAD software, the extra cores in the I9 will be useful, I expect.

You're aware that the recent Intel issues affect both Gen13 and Gen14 CPUs?

badrobot · Sep 14, 2024

Any build is either about purpose or budget. If the latter is not an issue, go for it!

Catnip · Sep 14, 2024

Budget is no issue, but if 15th gen Intel chips have AI in them, then I won't be buying one. I cannot have Recall on my PC due to work security reasons, and as I understand it, there is no way to disable the @$#%-ing thing so far.

So it looks like I'll be sticking with a 13th or 14th gen CPU, or going completely over to Linux.

Sad when MS decides to ram something down your throat. It's definitely leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

@bobkn The cheapest 4070 Ti Super that I can find here in Canada is $1149.00 CAD. An i9 is about $950 or so when they aren't on sale. It's absolutely criminal how they gouge us for computer parts here in Canada. I guess it's worse in Australia, but Jesus, even when you do the currency conversion there is still a $150 to $200 markup on that 4070.

antspants · Sep 14, 2024

Catnip said:
as I understand it, there is no way to disable

They are making it so you can not uninstall it (there’s always a way, given time)

Also:

Enable or Disable Recall Snapshots in Windows 11 Tutorial

This tutorial will show you how to enable or disable the Recall snapshots feature for your account or all users in Windows 11 on Copilot+ PCs. Recall is an upcoming preview experience exclusive to Copilot+ PCs that will help you easily find and remember things you've seen using natural...

www.elevenforum.com

OR

Exclude an App from Recall Snapshots in Windows 11 Tutorial

This tutorial will show you how to exclude apps you want filtered out of your Recall snapshots for your account in Windows 11. Recall is an upcoming preview experience exclusive to Copilot+ PCs that will help you easily find and remember things you've seen using natural language. To help...

www.elevenforum.com

Exclude a Website from Recall Snapshots in Windows 11 Tutorial

This tutorial will show you how to exclude websites you want filtered out of your Recall snapshots for your account in Windows 11. Recall is an upcoming preview experience exclusive to Copilot+ PCs that will help you easily find and remember things you've seen using natural language. To help...

www.elevenforum.com

Etc etc

PerpetualCycle · Sep 14, 2024

Catnip said:
Budget is no issue, but if 15th gen Intel chips have AI in them, then I won't be buying one. I cannot have Recall on my PC due to work security reasons, and as I understand it, there is no way to disable the @$#%-ing thing so far.

So it looks like I'll be sticking with a 13th or 14th gen CPU, or going completely over to Linux.

Sad when MS decides to ram something down your throat. It's definitely leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

@bobkn The cheapest 4070 Ti Super that I can find here in Canada is $1149.00 CAD. An i9 is about $950 or so when they aren't on sale. It's absolutely criminal how they gouge us for computer parts here in Canada. I guess it's worse in Australia, but Jesus, even when you do the currency conversion there is still a $150 to $200 markup on that 4070.

You will probably be able to turn of the AI processor in BIOS though. That should prevent the AI.

SIW2 · Sep 14, 2024

TraderGary · Sep 14, 2024

I just purchased a Dell XPS 16 9640 with an Intel Core Ultra 9 185H. It replaced a Dell XPS 15 9510 with an 11th gen i9. The difference is dramatic!

I'm getting more than 12 hours of battery life. And that's with a 4K+ OLED!

The complete specs are in "My Computer" below.

SIW2 · Sep 14, 2024

Intel Ultra 9 185H vs i9-14900K vs i7-14700K vs i7-14700 vs i7-13700 [cpubenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

TraderGary · Sep 14, 2024

I've never paid much attention to bench marks. I can only tell you what I'm experiencing, and I love this computer. It does everything I need instantaneously.

pparks1 · Sep 15, 2024

Catnip said:
Budget is no issue, but if 15th gen Intel chips have AI in them, then I won't be buying one. I cannot have Recall on my PC due to work security reasons, and as I understand it, there is no way to disable the @$#%-ing thing so far.

So it looks like I'll be sticking with a 13th or 14th gen CPU, or going completely over to Linux.

Sad when MS decides to ram something down your throat. It's definitely leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

@bobkn The cheapest 4070 Ti Super that I can find here in Canada is $1149.00 CAD. An i9 is about $950 or so when they aren't on sale. It's absolutely criminal how they gouge us for computer parts here in Canada. I guess it's worse in Australia, but Jesus, even when you do the currency conversion there is still a $150 to $200 markup on that 4070.

You will be able to disable recall..

Marcus Vinicus · Sep 15, 2024

SIW2 said:
Intel Ultra 9 185H vs i9-14900K vs i7-14700K vs i7-14700 vs i7-13700 [cpubenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

The Intel Ultra 9 185H is a laptop CPU that is never going to compete with those desktop processors in the comparison.

MrPig · Sep 15, 2024

When you say CAD software what type, mechanical, electronic, physics?

Check the software requirements then plan the system.

If you plan on large complex mechanical assemblies the GPU will be the bottleneck, professional cards have the optimised drivers & more ram to cope with these scenarios. The older Ampere cards are coming down in price but highly rated.
Multi-core CPU's are recommended but some packages make limited use of them. Check the package requirements before flinging the ££'s.

TraderGary · Sep 15, 2024

Marcus Vinicus said:
The Intel Ultra 9 185H is a laptop CPU that is never going to compete with those desktop processors in the comparison.

And conversely desktops don't compete very well when one travels most of the time and needs mobility.

jimbo45 · Sep 15, 2024

pparks1 said:
You will be able to disable recall..

When I work or travel in the UK it's usually even worse since price in £ is the same as in US $ and there's a wallet busting 20% VAT to add on top too !!!! Not sure what sales tax rates are in Canada or 'OZ but I'm sure not 20% surely !!!!.

Cheers
jimbo

cereberus · Sep 15, 2024

jimbo45 said:
When I work or travel in the UK it's usually even worse since price in £ is the same as in US $ and there's a wallet busting 20% VAT to add on top too !!!! Not sure what sales tax rates are in Canada or 'OZ but I'm sure not 20% surely !!!!.

Cheers
jimbo, art

UK prices are always shown including VAT for normal consumers. Many sites show pre-VAT for companies - companies do not add VAT.

Where we get ripped off is the wholesale pre-tax prices as you say $1= £1 (actual - $1=£0.76) artificially infating UK pre tax price by a scandalous 31%.

Obviously US has no control over tax but it exaggerates difference.

So item costing $1000 in US, US citizen pays typically (assuming 7.25% sales tax) $1072.50
UK citizen pays £1200 which equals £1572.

Thus we pay c. 46% extra at least.

I can accept some markup for delivery may apply if item is shipped to UK from US but most are shipped from other countries anyway.

Worse is software delivered over web which does not cost extra.

Now we are not part of EU, UK should challenge US and apply punitive tariffs of 100% if a "punitive nominal exchange rate of 1" is applied i.e. force exporters from US to UK to charge a fair price.