Into the Void

CountMike · Mar 21, 2022

I have been thinking about this and sporadically trying to solve this annoyance since W10 but no real progress.
Annoyance:
Prologue .
Using 2 or 3 monitors most of the time.
Problem
Under certain conditions like "Duplicate displays" "Show only on 1" (display) and even hard disconnecting others, there is a hard border on 3 sides, Top, bottom and left side of screen but not on right side. Cursor, part of a window or even whole window can disappear past right border . Cursor comes back, partially displaced windows can be dragged back but if by some accident a window maximizes out of main display into this phantom display and stay there until I go thru elaborate maneuvers like connecting or enabling another monitor to return window to it's rightful place on default, 1st display. In some instances I had to reinstall a program because it kept on opening in a phantom display.

Ghot · Mar 21, 2022

I have one monitor, and one TV. both are physically hooked to my RTX 2070 vid card.
Sometimes on Win10/11, an ad that pops up in it's own browser window, will appear half on my monitor,
and half off the right side towards my TV.
Even though I see it half off the screen to the right, it's really right "behind" my browser, at the same time.

This can happen even with the TV turned OFF, and disabled as a 2nd display in Nvidia Control panel.
Kind of makes me think this is an unsolved Windows issue.

I HAD another problem, which was solved by choosing different connectors on my vid card.
The TV has to be connected to the HDMI on the vid card, because the TV only has HDMI (RED dot).

IF I hook my DELL monitor to either of the connectors with BLUE dots, the BIOS splash screen would appear only on the TV.
Even if the TV was turned OFF and disabled in Nvidia Control panel.
Once I got to the Lock screen (password screen), I then had the Windows images on the DELL monitor.

I could ONLY get both the BIOS splash screen and the Windows screens, on the DELL if I hooked the DELL to
the connector shown with the GREEN dot.

Lastly, when I'm watching a movie (VLC Media Player) on the TV... I have to exit VLC while it's still on the TV screen,
if I want it to appear there, the next time I use it. If I disable the TV via Nvidia Control Panel without first exiting
VLC Media Player... the next time I run it, VLC will show up on the DELL.

I dunno if any of this will help, but you might try playing around with which connector you use for the 2nd display.
Also might want to key an eye on, which screen programs are on when you exit them.

CountMike · Mar 21, 2022

Ghot said:
Now?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=into+the+void+black+sabbath+

Nope, same thing.

Ghot said:
I have one monitor, and one TV. both are physically hooked to my RTX 2070 vid card.
Sometimes on Win10/11, and ad that pops up in it's own window, will appear half on my monitor,
and half off the right side towards my TV.
This can happen even with the TV turned OFF, and disabled as a 2nd display in Nvidia Control panel.
Kind of makes me think this is an unsolved Windows issue.

I HAD another problem, which was solved by choosing different connectors on my vid card.
The TV has to be connected to the HDMI on the vid card, because the TV only has HDMI (RED dot).

View attachment 24918

IF I hook my DELL monitor to either of the connectors with BLUE dots, the BIOS splash screen would appear only on the TV.
Even if the TV was turned OFF and disabled in Nvidia Control panel.
Once I got to the Lock screen (password screen), I could see that on the DELL monitor.

I could ONLY get both the BIOS splash screen and the Windows screens, on the DELL if I hooked the DELL to
the connector shown with the RED dot.

Lastly, when I'm watching a movie (VLC Media Player) on the TV... I have to exit VLC while it's still on the TV screen,
if I want it to appear there, the next time I use it. If I disable the TV via Nvidia Control Panel without first exiting
VLC Media Player... the next time I run it, it will show up on the DELL.

I dunno if any of this will help, but you might try playing around with which connector you use for the 2nd display?

Thanks but that's not same as my problem, I can use any port in my Rx 570 GPU (2xDVI, 1x HDMI. 1x Mini display port), BIOS shows with all of them. Main monitor has 2xHDMI and 1xVGA. Always connected ti HDMI 1. This must be some Windows quirk.

Ghot · Mar 21, 2022

CountMike said:
Nope, same thing.

Thanks but that's not same as my problem, I can use any port in my Rx 570 GPU (2xDVI, 1x HDMI. 1x Mini display port), BIOS shows with all of them. Main monitor has 2xHDMI and 1xVGA. Always connected ti HDMI 1. This must be some Windows quirk.

The other thing I just remembered to add above... is to keep track of which monitor a program is on, when you exit the program.
You can also (I think) choose which edge of your screen, is the "soft" edge.
That changes depending on where you position the 2nd monitor in the control panel.
I assume you can do similar in the Catalyst Control center.

I can click and drag, monitor two and drop it above, below, to the right or to the left of monitor one.
Whatever location I leave monitor two in, will be the "soft" edge of monitor one.

Soft edge on the right...

Soft edge on the left...

#1 is the DELL, and is the primary display. #2 is the TV.

CountMike · Mar 21, 2022

Ghot said:
The other thing I just remembered to add above... is to keep track of which monitor a program is on, when you exit the program.

Yes. I make sure to close programs only when opened on default monitor.

Ghot · Mar 21, 2022

CountMike said:
Yes. I make sure to close programs only when opened on default monitor.

I'm probably not being clear.
Whichever monitor a program is on when you exit that program... is which monitor it will appear on, the next time you run the program. So it's easy, sometimes, to lose a program on another monitor, even if it's... OFF.

To get it back to the main screen, you have to turn the other screen ON, and drag the program back to the main screen.

CountMike · Mar 21, 2022

Ghot said:
I'm probably not being clear.
Whichever monitor a program is on when you exit that program... is which monitor it will appear on, the next time you run the program. So it's easy, sometimes, to lose a program on another monitor, even if it's... OFF.

I got you first time.

Ghot · Mar 21, 2022

CountMike said:
I got you first time.

I'm just getting tired... it's almost 5am here.

CountMike · Mar 21, 2022

Ghot said:
I'm just getting tired... it's almost 5am here. :)

Night owl eh ?

Ghot · Mar 21, 2022

CountMike said:
Night owl eh ?

Maybe in my younger days. LOL

johnlgalt · Mar 21, 2022

CountMike said:
I have been thinking about this and sporadically trying to solve this annoyance since W10 but no real progress.
Annoyance:
Prologue .
Using 2 or 3 monitors most of the time.
Problem
Under certain conditions like "Duplicate displays" "Show only on 1" (display) and even hard disconnecting others, there is a hard border on 3 sides, Top, bottom and left side of screen but not on right side. Cursor, part of a window or even whole window can disappear past right border . Cursor comes back, partially displaced windows can be dragged back but if by some accident a window maximizes out of main display into this phantom display and stay there until I go thru elaborate maneuvers like connecting or enabling another monitor to return window to it's rightful place on default, 1st display. In some instances I had to reinstall a program because it kept on opening in a phantom display.

One key thing to check - can that border be seen when you take a full screen screenshot using your favorite ss app?

I remember something like that on the older system with a GTX 970 happening now and again, also, and I tried to get help - but when I took ss, I noticed they were not there, only on the monitors screens (physically) themselves.

badrobot · Mar 21, 2022

Ghot said:
I have one monitor, and one TV. both are physically hooked to my RTX 2070 vid card.
Sometimes on Win10/11, an ad that pops up in it's own browser window, will appear half on my monitor,
and half off the right side towards my TV.
Even though I see it half off the screen to the right, it's really right "behind" my browser, at the same time.

This can happen even with the TV turned OFF, and disabled as a 2nd display in Nvidia Control panel.
Kind of makes me think this is an unsolved Windows issue.

I HAD another problem, which was solved by choosing different connectors on my vid card.
The TV has to be connected to the HDMI on the vid card, because the TV only has HDMI (RED dot).

View attachment 24918

IF I hook my DELL monitor to either of the connectors with BLUE dots, the BIOS splash screen would appear only on the TV.
Even if the TV was turned OFF and disabled in Nvidia Control panel.
Once I got to the Lock screen (password screen), I then had the Windows images on the DELL monitor.

I could ONLY get both the BIOS splash screen and the Windows screens, on the DELL if I hooked the DELL to
the connector shown with the GREEN dot.

Lastly, when I'm watching a movie (VLC Media Player) on the TV... I have to exit VLC while it's still on the TV screen,
if I want it to appear there, the next time I use it. If I disable the TV via Nvidia Control Panel without first exiting
VLC Media Player... the next time I run it, VLC will show up on the DELL.

I dunno if any of this will help, but you might try playing around with which connector you use for the 2nd display.
Also might want to key an eye on, which screen programs are on when you exit them.

What TV do you have connected to your card (brand and model)? I have a theory what is possibly causing the problem but I want to check first if your TV has that feature.

badrobot · Mar 21, 2022

CountMike said:
I have been thinking about this and sporadically trying to solve this annoyance since W10 but no real progress.
Annoyance:
Prologue .
Using 2 or 3 monitors most of the time.
Problem
Under certain conditions like "Duplicate displays" "Show only on 1" (display) and even hard disconnecting others, there is a hard border on 3 sides, Top, bottom and left side of screen but not on right side. Cursor, part of a window or even whole window can disappear past right border . Cursor comes back, partially displaced windows can be dragged back but if by some accident a window maximizes out of main display into this phantom display and stay there until I go thru elaborate maneuvers like connecting or enabling another monitor to return window to it's rightful place on default, 1st display. In some instances I had to reinstall a program because it kept on opening in a phantom display.

Have you looked in to screen scaling? or manually resizing the screen? adjusting screen position?

Ghot · Mar 21, 2022

badrobot said:
What TV do you have connected to your card (brand and model)? I have a theory what is possibly causing the problem but I want to check first if your TV has that feature.

It's an old LG 37" (LCD) 37CS560

LG 37'' Class 1080P LCD TV (37.0'' diagonal) (37CS560) | LG USA

Get information on the LG 37'' Class 1080P LCD TV (37.0'' diagonal) (37CS560). Find pictures, reviews, and tech specs.

www.lg.com

badrobot · Mar 21, 2022

Ghot said:
It's an old LG 37" (LCD) 37CS560

LG 37'' Class 1080P LCD TV (37.0'' diagonal) (37CS560) | LG USA

Get information on the LG 37'' Class 1080P LCD TV (37.0'' diagonal) (37CS560). Find pictures, reviews, and tech specs.

www.lg.com

I looked it up and this is what I am looking for. This could be the culprit. CEC allows your TV to control your PC and vice-versa.
When you power on your PC, your TV could be taking over it. If it is enabled, you may want to try disabling it. If it is already disabled, then I am wrong.

Ghot · Mar 21, 2022

badrobot said:
I looked it up and this what I am looking for. This could be the culprit. CEC allows your TV to control your PC and vice-versa.
When you power on your PC, your TV could be taking over it. If it is enabled, you may want to try disabling it. If it is already disabled, then I am wrong.

View attachment 24985

You're probably right. I think just having the HDMI plugged into the TV and the vid card, lets the TV override certain things.

In the past I had HDMI to the TV and DVI -Dual Link from a GTX 780 Ti vid card to the DELL monitor... and the TV couldn't override.
Everything just functioned normally... like it had for... years.
When I got the RTX 2070 (3x DP and 1x HDMI) is when the weirdness started.

DELL U3011

Back in 2020, I was talking to EVGA Premium Tech support, and they were talking about HDMI programmed (firmware), to override certain things. I got the impression that there wasn't anything I could do about it. :/

They were the ones that suggested I try ALL the DP connectors.

badrobot · Mar 21, 2022

Ghot said:
You're probably right. I think just having the HDMI plugged into the TV and the vid card, lets the TV override certain things.

In the past I had HDMI to the TV and DVI -Dual Link from a GTX 780 Ti vid card to the DELL monitor... and the TV couldn't override.
When I got the RTX 2070 (3x DP and 1x HDMI) is when the weirdness started.

DELL U3011

You may also want to check the HDMI-CEC options on your RTX 2070 (if there's any) and change some settings if you need to.

Ghot · Mar 21, 2022

badrobot said:
You may also want to check the HDMI-CEC options on your RTX 2070 (if there's any) and change some settings if you need to.

If there are any... I have no clue where they are. All I really have to work with are the Nvidia Control panel and EVGA Precision X1. :/

badrobot · Mar 21, 2022

Ghot said:
If there are any... I have no clue where they are. All I really have to work with are the Nvidia Control panel and EVGA Precision X1. :/

Ghot · Mar 21, 2022

badrobot said:
View attachment 24996

View attachment 24995

I'm gonna have to research all that.

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