Local Account with Internet?


lettersquash

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Hi, I just bought a Lenovo IdeaPad Flex 5 from a shop (Cex) with Windows 11 pre-installed, and I'd like to set up a new account. I'd like to avoid the Microsoft Account option, and the alternative seems to be a local account, from my researches so far, but I want to have internet access and I keep seeing "local" and "offline" used as if they're synonymous. Also there's mention of only being able to set up a local account if you haven't got internet switched on (or even that loophole being closed now?)...all suggesting that what I want might not be possible. Is it? I just want to be able to connect to the internet without a MS account and all the stuff that goes with that. It would seem mad not to be able to, but as I say, the "local/offline" business is making me wonder.

Also, can there be two Administrator accounts? There is the shop's account on there, which is local and administrator, and without a password. Activation state says "Windows is activated with a digital licence". I assume I can add my own Admin account and then delete theirs without issue? I sent them a support message about it, but it might be some time before I get a reply and I'd like to get on. I realise I could just try setting one up from the Cex account and see what happens - but I just like to know what I'm doing before I start doing stuff! If it's not possible I'll just have to go ahead and use my MS account (which I've got, but didn't really use from my old machine, Win7).

Windows 11 Home
Version 21H2
OS build 22000.556
 

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Hi, I just bought a Lenovo IdeaPad Flex 5 from a shop (Cex) with Windows 11 pre-installed, and I'd like to set up a new account. I'd like to avoid the Microsoft Account option, and the alternative seems to be a local account, from my researches so far, but I want to have internet access and I keep seeing "local" and "offline" used as if they're synonymous. Also there's mention of only being able to set up a local account if you haven't got internet switched on (or even that loophole being closed now?)...all suggesting that what I want might not be possible. Is it? I just want to be able to connect to the internet without a MS account and all the stuff that goes with that. It would seem mad not to be able to, but as I say, the "local/offline" business is making me wonder.

Also, can there be two Administrator accounts? There is the shop's account on there, which is local and administrator, and without a password. Activation state says "Windows is activated with a digital licence". I assume I can add my own Admin account and then delete theirs without issue? I sent them a support message about it, but it might be some time before I get a reply and I'd like to get on. I realise I could just try setting one up from the Cex account and see what happens - but I just like to know what I'm doing before I start doing stuff! If it's not possible I'll just have to go ahead and use my MS account (which I've got, but didn't really use from my old machine, Win7).

Windows 11 Home
Version 21H2
OS build 22000.556


The video link below should provide a solution;

 

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lettersquash

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Thanks, Sir George. I think I've realised the cause of my confusion. I've been reading about the need for a MS account and internet connection TO INSTALL WINDOWS 11! That's why a local account kept being called an "offline" account, it's just offline to install it as local. I thought a local account was always offline, like you had to log in to your Windows account just to use the thing. I gather it's not quite that draconian.

The shop already installed the OS, and new user accounts aren't new installs. So I'm good to go - I can create another account as local and admin (maybe I'll keep the cex one as a backup admin account too in case I get locked out on my own). And that local account can use the internet...not much point in a PC without it really. Confirmation I've finally got that straight would be appreciated.
 

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Hi, I just bought a Lenovo IdeaPad Flex 5 from a shop (Cex) with Windows 11 pre-installed, and I'd like to set up a new account. I'd like to avoid the Microsoft Account option, and the alternative seems to be a local account, from my researches so far, but I want to have internet access and I keep seeing "local" and "offline" used as if they're synonymous.
Yes, a local (offline) account can still have internet access. All my PCs use local accounts.

Windows 11 Home when first set up after a clean install insists that the first account you create is a Microsoft account (though there are workarounds to avoid that).

Once set up, you can create as many new accounts as you need, and there is no restriction - they can all be local accounts.

Also, can there be two Administrator accounts? There is the shop's account on there, which is local and administrator, and without a password. Activation state says "Windows is activated with a digital licence". I assume I can add my own Admin account and then delete theirs without issue?
Yes, there are no restriction here either. You can have as many administrator accounts as you want. In fact, I always recommend that you should have at leat two local administrator accounts - just in case your main account gets corrupted, or you are locked out.
 

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
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    Dell Lattitude E4310
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

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So I'm good to go - I can create another account as local and admin (maybe I'll keep the cex one as a backup admin account too in case I get locked out on my own). And that local account can use the internet...not much point in a PC without it really. Confirmation I've finally got that straight would be appreciated.
Yes, you have got that straight. Always remember to create your new administrator account first, before deleting any existing administrator accounts. It's very difficult to recover from a situation where you have no administrator accounts :wink:
 

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    Windows 11 Home
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    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
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    laptop screen
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    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
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    1TB HDD
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    Defender
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
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    Dell Lattitude E4310
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

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Yes, you have got that straight. Always remember to create your new administrator account first, before deleting any existing administrator accounts. It's very difficult to recover from a situation where you have no administrator accounts :wink:
Excellent - thanks for clarifying. Heck, surely the system wouldn't let you delete the only Admin account? Anyway, I'll make sure I don't. :)
 

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    14"
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Heck, surely the system wouldn't let you delete the only Admin account?
Unfortunately it does, and it also allows you to demote your only admin account to a standard user. That last one is such a common mistake (less 'IT-savy' users think that it would be safer to use a standard account) that there's a whole tutorial over on Ten Forums about how to get an adminstrator account back again.
 

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    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
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    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
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    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
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    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

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You will want to turn off 'Offer suggestions on how I can set up my device', else you'll get nagged to switch to a Microsoft account. It's hidden away right at the bottom of System > Notifications. That's what I have done for all my W11 Home machines.

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB HDD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

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Sheesh. It's amazing how much expertise goes into making GUIs worse. I set up my new account and managed to avoid joining the Borg, although I did click on a link that started Edge (note to self: ignore all help links), with another set of screens to get through before I could even close the app again - I'll use Firefox.

Settings - hmm, what a good idea it would be to show them in a concise tree, like Windows had in about 1995. So you could see the full structure and navigate it easily. Not now. They've got style gurus now. You've got big panels for each item with wasted space and a sub-heading trying not to explain what the cryptic heading means (Enjoy giving us your data!), and the back arrow might take you somewhere you were before, maybe not. I'd stick with an older version, but I'm developing an app and need to keep up with the times and test it on various Windows versions.

They provide all the things you don't need and leave out things you obviously do. After I used the cex account to create mine, I thought next I'll log out and log in to "me". No sign of a button for that. No menu item for it. There's Power > Restart (but no "switch account" or "log off" - clearly some bright spark decided those were useless features a complete idiot put in Windows 98 or whenever). I searched for both of those terms, and there isn't a match! Closing and opening the machine gave me the two account options.

OK, thanks for getting me started. I'm sure I'll have a gazillion questions before long.
 

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    Ryzen 3 4300U
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    4 GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14"
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    128 GB SSD

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After I used the cex account to create mine, I thought next I'll log out and log in to "me". No sign of a button for that. No menu item for it. There's Power > Restart (but no "switch account" or "log off"
You click on Start, then on your user icon to get those options.

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Sign out and you'll see all your accounts at the lower left of the sign in screen. Click on one and sign in.


 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB HDD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
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