Microsoft Defender auto-activates even though I am running MBAM Premium


Mark Phelps

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I'm running MBAM Premium version 4.5.9.198 and have all the protections turned on.

So I was surprised when Defender popup happened for a file I was downloading.

I checked Windows Security and Defender runtime checking was enabled -- so I disabled it and used gpedit.msc to do the same.

But ... if you are running a commercial AV product, isn't Defender supposed to be automatically disabled?
 

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Hi,
If you have mbam set to register with ms security center it shouldn't popup unless you have periodic scanning enabled in defender.
Defender/ ms security is pestware.

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Hi,
If you have mbam set to register with ms security center it shouldn't popup unless you have periodic scanning enabled in defender.


@Mark Phelps


Hello, Mark.

@ThrashZone is correct in his reply to you (above).

Use limited periodic scanning in Microsoft Defender Antivirus


But interestingly, in Microsoft Community, the question was raised, and it was reported that it will still sometimes ask to run.

Microsoft Community


Just thought you might find the links interesting.


I can not personally verify the issue you described, as I have Windows Security set as primary AV, and do not have Malwarebytes Premium registered in the Security Center. This is what works best for me. Full benefit of real time protection, from both.


Take care.
 

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Hi,
Yeah updates or at least some might come up with mbam not compatible enough to stay as main av so ms will switch it's self to main av

I get tiered of seeing wd icon with yellow flags just because it doesn't like my personal preferences.
I personally just disable wd with cmd as admin with this string and wd icon disappears completely :look:
To turn off tamper protection leave mbam registering off though otherwise mbam hijacks the setting from being changed in wd.

Code:
rem Disable Windows Defender. For this to work you have to manually disable "Tamper protection"
powershell "if ((Get-ItemProperty -Path 'HKLM:SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows Defender\Features').TamperProtection -eq 4) { exit 0; } ; Write-Output 'Windows Defender can not be disabled, Tamper Protection is still active' '' 'Disable Tamper Protection manually, then press OK' | msg /w *"
reg add "HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender\Spynet" /v SpyNetReporting /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f
reg add "HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender\Spynet" /v SubmitSamplesConsent /t REG_DWORD /d 2 /f
reg add "HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender" /v DisableAntiSpyware /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
reg add "HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender\Real-Time Protection" /v DisableRealtimeMonitoring /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
reg add "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer" /v SmartScreenEnabled /t REG_SZ /d "Off" /f
reg add "HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender" /v DisableRoutinelyTakingAction /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
reg delete HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run /v SecurityHealth /f
 

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Thank you for the Info, @ThrashZone.

Hopefully the OP will get things resolved.


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Thanks for the replies -- so I checked and MBAM is set to Always register in the Windows Security Center.

I did use instructions from here to disabled Defender using Group Policy and so far today, it has NOT re-enabled on its own. So, maybe that is the way to disable it.

UPDATE: I just got a popup that Defender detected something -- and I checked, and it HAS turned itself back on!!

I will try the registry entries noted above and see if that works.
 
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    EVGA GT 710
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I have always run Defender and MWB in parallel. They play nice with each other without there being any excess load on my system. Since it is not detriment to my system to run both in real time, I figure twice the protection can't be bad.

Something I discovered about Defender is the same thing that has been around since Windows 7. I noticed Defender using more CPU than I thought it should so I had to add an exclusion to C:\Programdata\Microsoft\Windows Defender\Platform\x.xx.xxxx.x-x\MsMpEng.exe (where the x's is version number.) I restarted and CPU dropped to normal. That little quirk of Defender scanning itself has been around for years and MS still hasn't dealt with it.
 

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    500w
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    Dell factory
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    Logitech wireless
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    Logitech wired
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    still not telling
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    Firefox
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    Defender+MWB Premium
Update: Since using the registry entries from thread #4, Defender has NOT reactivated itself -- so maybe NOW, it is actually disabled for good.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Ryzen 5600X
    Motherboard
    ASRock Steel Legend
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GT 710
    Sound Card
    None
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23",24", 19" - flat panels
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1200
    Hard Drives
    None - only M.2 SATA and NVMe drives
    PSU
    750W
    Case
    Antec
    Cooling
    stock Wraith cooler
    Keyboard
    Corsair gaming
    Mouse
    Logitech M720
    Internet Speed
    1Gb
Update: Since using the registry entries from thread #4, Defender has NOT reactivated itself -- so maybe NOW, it is actually disabled for good.
If you followed these guys advice you should be fine and shouldn't reactivate
 

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That little quirk of Defender scanning itself has been around for years and MS still hasn't dealt with it.
I thought it was a good thing that Defender makes sure that it is OK itself before it goes to work.
 

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Update: Since using the registry entries from thread #4, Defender has NOT reactivated itself -- so maybe NOW, it is actually disabled for good.
Hi,
10 days so far has the bugger man got you yet for disabling pretender oops I mean defender :look:
 

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  • OS
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    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer 17" Nitro 7840sn/ 2x16gb 5600c40/ 4060/ stock 1tb-os/ 4tb sn850x
    CPU
    10900k & 9940x & 5930k
    Motherboard
    z490-Apex & x299-Apex & x99-Sabertooth
    Memory
    Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3600c16 4x8gb & 3200c14 4x8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Titan Xp & 1080ti FTW3 & evga 980ti gaming
    Sound Card
    Onboard Realtek x3
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
    Screen Resolution
    1920-1080 not sure what the t.v is besides 43" class scales from 1920-1080 perfectly
    Hard Drives
    2-WD-sn850x 4tb/ 970evo+500gb/ 980 pro 2tb.
    PSU
    1000p2 & 1200p2 & 850p2
    Case
    D450 x2 & 1 Test bench in cherry Entertainment center
    Cooling
    Custom water loops x3 with 2x mora 360mm rads only 980ti gaming air cooled
    Keyboard
    G710+x3
    Mouse
    Redragon x3
    Internet Speed
    xfinity gigabyte
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    mbam pro
Hi,
10 days so far has the bugger man got you yet for disabling pretender oops I mean defender :look:
Actually, no. MBAM Premium runs a scan every day when I reboot and so far, has not found anything at all.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Ryzen 5600X
    Motherboard
    ASRock Steel Legend
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GT 710
    Sound Card
    None
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23",24", 19" - flat panels
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1200
    Hard Drives
    None - only M.2 SATA and NVMe drives
    PSU
    750W
    Case
    Antec
    Cooling
    stock Wraith cooler
    Keyboard
    Corsair gaming
    Mouse
    Logitech M720
    Internet Speed
    1Gb

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