New project kicks off at MS in March... Windows 12 or next Windows 11?


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Oops! Sorry I missed it Brink. Can this post be deleted?
 

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HMM..., It seems MS should slow down and clean up the Win 11 mess, before venturing into Win 12. We're getting too much hype from MS, and not enough substance, or solutions. They made this Windows mess and the expect us to solve it for them! What a crock!
 

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I wonder if this will be the end of unsupported devices being able to update.
 

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I wonder if this will be the end of unsupported devices being able to update.
There'll always be ways to run on VM's -- emulated hardware can get round pretty well any "Physical" restrictions --the cost might be performance though on "Unsupported" hardware such as "Emulated CPU's" or "TPM's". However IBM's emulated TPM is quite robust and I doubt whether even a company the size of Microsoft could "Break" IBM's emulation.

Anybody who has ever worked with older IBM mainframes when it was known as "Big Blue" must have heard of RACF (Resource Access Control Facility --their security system) which unless you had insider access to the OS really was "Unhackable". The only way to do it was to get your "Friendly system programmer" to add an extra "SVC" Supervisor Call" module to the kernel usually 1 instruction -- in the old asembly language BR 0 which meant branch and start executing the code starting at the address contained in Reg 0 and do a "Nucleus generation" to add SVC 255 (IGC255).

You could model your malicious "User Code" on something like this

MYPROG CSECT ,
CLASS_A CATTR RMODE(31)
BASR 12,0 Set base register
USING *,12 Addressability for this element
- - -
* Address of CLASS_B segment assumed to be returned in register 8
- - -
A 8,BDATAOff Add offset of BDATA in CLASS_B
USING BDATA,8
- - -
BDATAOff DC Q(BDATA) Offset of BDATA
- - -
CLASS_B CATTR DEFLOAD,RMODE(ANY) Define deferred-load class
- - -
BDATA DS F Data in deferred-load class

Use Reg 0 for the address and simply execute say SVC 255 and your code will start executing at your address in supervisor mode -- just alter psw status word and "You are in business". However this can't be done from Outside the system.

Now you are in "supervisor mode and have the "Keys of the kingdom".

"Hacking Mainframes --101"

I'm sure there are a myriad ways of getting at the Windows kernel so a VM wouldn't have problems "emulating required hardware".

Cheers
jimbo
 

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I heard that the project objective is to skip a number, the next OS will be Windows 13 :eek1:
 

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It's speculation right now as to what this is about. They say that Windows 10 and 11 share the same core, but a Windows 12 would be completely different.

Windows 11 successor could already be in the works

My gut feeling tells me it's the same scenario as Windows 7 to W8 then W8.1. W8 aka W-hate put a very bad taste in the mouths of almost all Windows users around the world.

I think the feedback hub is so full of complaints about the UI, especially the Taskbar/Context Menus/Quick Launch Area that W12 is a much better idea to get started on ASAP. W8 went belly-up quickly, then got buried under the rug as W10 was marketed.
 
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I heard that the project objective is to skip a number, the next OS will be Windows 13 :eek1:
I would bet dollars to doughnuts that Windows 13 gets skipped over like a hot potato.
 

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I would bet dollars to doughnuts that Windows 13 gets skipped over like a hot potato.
Yup, then the Thirteen Forums domain is gotten by John.

Windows 12.1?

[Edit!]
thirteenforums.com is taken by John.
 

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Yup, then the Thirteen Forums domain is gotten by John.

Windows 12.1?

[Edit!]
thirteenforums.com is taken by John.
We didn't get a Windows 9 and I seriously doubt we get a Windows 13.
 

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    Realtek Audio
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...and in the meantime let's hope they extend the "Windows Updates Support Cycle" to 2026 for Windows 10. I really have my OS super tweaked and backed up on two drives. I want my, smooth, fast and productive W10 OS until (or if) Windows 12 can show me it's equal to or better than Windows 10.

pc and power backup.jpg

pcstation2018.jpg
 
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We didn't get a Windows 9 and I seriously doubt we get a Windows 13.

That is because in East Asia the #9 is superstitious just as #13 is superstitious in the western world.
 

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    DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 4600
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    RTX 4080 12GB
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Ya know, the thing is 11 really has barely came out. Coupled with the hardware and security requirements (that may be more stringent) for windows 12, I am wondering if it will be adopted by many users. I was reading where modern standby will be one of the requirements. I do not like the fact that my laptop may be awakened by Microsoft at any time they choose for updates. Before I set my laptop to just shut down, it was coming on at night and freaking me out until I figured out what was happening. I did see one article that said it would not be released until 2030. Of course don't know how reputable that article is.
Windows 12 is allegedly already on the way
 

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