Solved Norton/Avast merger


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To be totally honest this merger would have meant something to me at one time. However, the way that both of the companies have developed means that I am very unlikely to deal with either again. Avast is using tactics from the "wrong" side of the dividing line and although not as bad the same could apply to Norton.

If looking for free Virus and malware protection, this is available from a few good companies, as I still deal with some clients, and their data, I use a Pro Level Paid solution that includes Bitdefender Pro, and such things as a Hardware VPN (but mostly a good backup system as Data is the most important part of any business digital security system).
 

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Avast is using tactics from the "wrong" side of the dividing line and although not as bad the same could apply to Norton.
Well, not recently, but they certainly have "been there, done that" on the wrong side of the line in their Symantec days.

Leopard ... spots .... ?

EDIT : Although their predatory marketing tactics still exist - requiring a credit card number to activate a product even though it was already been paid for. Then the installation process activates the auto renewal without telling the user what's going to happen in 12 months time ....
 

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I've been using Bitdefender Internet Security (AV and Firewall), for 9 years.
I guess my only complaint would be that it does TOO much.
It has 13 modules and I only use the three is RED rectangular boxes.
There is a free version as well.


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Free version (AV only)...

 
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Avast also own AVG so presumably that will get swallowed up in the Norton empire as well, won't be using any of them, strikes me that unfair competition might be involved with this.

The trouble these days is some of these AV companies add too much additional baggage that most of us don't need or want.
 

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Avast also own AVG so presumably that will get swallowed up in the Norton empire as well, won't be using any of them, strikes me that unfair competition might be involved with this.
The final nail in the coffin for Ccleaner .... good on its own > went bad when taken over by Avast/AVG > somewhat repaired its reputation > now taken over by Norton !!!

It's certainly a doomed product now.
 

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With, potentially, the best of the "free" antiviruses about to be swallowed up - Good news for defender!
 

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I wonder who works for free at the free antivirus to keep it updated and competitive?
 

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With, potentially, the best of the "free" antiviruses about to be swallowed up - Good news for defender!
Que ?? The word "best' should never be used in any sentence that also refers to Avast and/or AVG. Ineffective abominations.
 

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Avast also own AVG so presumably that will get swallowed up in the Norton empire as well, won't be using any of them, strikes me that unfair competition might be involved with this.

The trouble these days is some of these AV companies add too much additional baggage that most of us don't need or want.
How about ClamWin? :D


Que ?? The word "best' should never be used in any sentence that also refers to Avast and/or AVG. Ineffective abominations.
Based on?? The AV test companies disagree...consistantly


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Based on?? The AV test companies disagree...consistantly
LOL Agreed - especially when the authors/owners/vested interests of those reporting web sites either have
- a close connection with the products that are consistently rated high
and/or
- no credentials to support the efficacy of any results presented

However, more independent and/or authorative reviews often have much significantly different and more realistic results.
 

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However, more independent and/or authorative reviews often have much significantly different and more realistic results.
Not disagreeing but care to share a link?
 

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when the authors/owners/vested interests of those reporting web sites either have
- a close connection with the products that are consistently rated high
What evidence is that claim based on?

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To be totally honest this merger would have meant something to me at one time. However, the way that both of the companies have developed means that I am very unlikely to deal with either again. Avast is using tactics from the "wrong" side of the dividing line and although not as bad the same could apply to Norton.

If looking for free Virus and malware protection, this is available from a few good companies, as I still deal with some clients, and their data, I use a Pro Level Paid solution that includes Bitdefender Pro, and such things as a Hardware VPN (but mostly a good backup system as Data is the most important part of any business digital security system).
Many customers now use the cloud exclusively to provide their I.T infrastructure and desktops where laptops essentially logon to the cloud service. Things like Ms's AZURE already have almost military strength protection against mal / spyware etc.

With rising energy costs etc particularly for businesses maintaining an independent I.T infrastructure in smaller offices will just become uneconomic, even opening the office itself for 5 days a standard week and a decent commercial cloud service becomes more economically justifiable in every way. Many of these cloud service providers have their servers in places where energy costs are small or negligible e.g Iceland with virtually unlimited geothermal and hydro electic generation so there's no reason to think these costs will go up any time soon. Cloud servers also have decent backup systems, and much easier to set up for increasing remote working usage. Some data will always need to be held locally in case of network failure etc but around 95% of the work could be off loaded to the cloud.

@barman58 - could be interesting for you perhaps to recommend some of your clients looking at cloud possibilities. I think the economics have changed hugely in their favour. Most clients are always interested in saving money. !!!! Cloud servers can also be "OS" agnostic so it doesn't matter what computer or OS is used to access the infrastructure. I can logon to SAPs cloud HANA service from Linux or Windows without any issue at all, and it probably works with a Macbook too -- I don't have one though to test it with.

For domestic users, WD is based on the security system built into AZURE and comes with windows. At a domestic level there's no need for any extra security. Basically as above backup important data, be sensible with not storing personal info on social media sites and watch out for scams as these are far more likely to affect home users than corporate clients,

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What evidence is that claim based on?

Denis
In the case of the example you selected, it's a very simple process to run a "whois" search on the URL of a review website, and even if a connection is not obvious, subsequent business searches reveal an obvious connection.
 

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Comparison tests are usually totally rubbish as they can only be valid on the actual time they were taken. Any new threat can appear at any time - even during the running of the tests themselves so reading in some sort of magazine which presumably is selling things and may be sponsored by some of those companies whose products they are testing will probably have a biased view and certainly the data is about to be at least 6 weeks out of date before a reader sees it.

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when the authors/owners/vested interests of those reporting web sites either have
- a close connection with the products that are consistently rated high
What evidence is that claim based on?
In the case of the example you selected, it's a very simple process to run a "whois" search on the URL of a review website, and even if a connection is not obvious, subsequent business searches reveal an obvious connection.

When I ask somebody for the evidence to back up their allegation & they tell me to search for it instead, I conclude that they just made it up.


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If anybody is worried about AVAST being deprecated or charged for, I would like to suggest a good alternative. It is free and will never be charged for, and is built into Windows - it is called Defender.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0

A Guy

Righteous Dude
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OS
Windows 10 Home x64
...I did my research...:rolleyes:

A Guy
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 10 Home x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    INTEL Core i5-11400
    Motherboard
    ASUS PRIME H570-PLUS
    Memory
    KINGSTON HyperX Fury Black DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3200MHz, CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Superclocked 1GB 128-Bit GDDR5
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 32MA68HY 32" IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG 250GB 970 EVO Plus NVMe, M.2 SSD, Crucial 250GB MX500, SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda® 7200.12, SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache
    PSU
    CORSAIR RM550x 80 PLUS Gold 550W
    Case
    ANTEC P10 FLUX
    Cooling
    be quiet! Pure Rock 2, 5 x 120 mm Case Fans
    Internet Speed
    480 + Mbps Up/ 12+ Mbps Down
    Browser
    Vivaldi Snapshot
    Antivirus
    Avast
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Home x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-750
    Motherboard
    ASUS P7P55D
    Memory
    Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600MHz CL8
    Graphics card(s)
    MSI GeForce GT 240 N240GT-MD1G/D5 1 GB DDR5
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 32MA68HY 32" IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1980x1040
    Hard Drives
    Samsung Electronics 840 EVO 120GB, SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda® 7200.12, SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache
    PSU
    Antec TruePower New TP-550 550W
    Case
    Antec 300
    Cooling
    Cooler Master Hyper 212+, 4 Noctua NF-P12 120mm, 1 Noctua NF-P14 FLX
    Internet Speed
    480+ Mbps Down/12+Mbps Up
    Browser
    Vivaldi Snapshot
    Antivirus
    Avast
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