Norton Ghost v15.0 is running on Windows 11


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Just found this and did a successful backup. This is a 30 day trial.
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MinisForum / UM790-Pro
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen™ 9 7940HS Processor, 8 Cores/16 Threads
    Motherboard
    MinisForum
    Memory
    32Gb DDR5 5600MHz SODIMM
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated AMD Radeon 780M
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 32" 4K
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160
    Hard Drives
    1 Gb WD - Black SN850X PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD
    1 Gb Kingston OMPGP41024Q-A0 Gen4 NVMe SSD
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
Just found this and did a successful backup. This is a 30 day trial.
I would not touch this with a bargepole.

It was discontinued in 2013 and is full of bugs for UEFI pcs.

It was supersed by a Symantec product which was annual lease (iirc) and never that good anyway.


 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
I would not touch this with a bargepole.

It was discontinued in 2013 and is full of bugs for UEFI pcs.

It was supersed by a Symantec product which was annual lease (iirc) and never that good anyway.


I just thought it was pretty cool that it was running on Win 11.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MinisForum / UM790-Pro
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen™ 9 7940HS Processor, 8 Cores/16 Threads
    Motherboard
    MinisForum
    Memory
    32Gb DDR5 5600MHz SODIMM
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated AMD Radeon 780M
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 32" 4K
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160
    Hard Drives
    1 Gb WD - Black SN850X PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD
    1 Gb Kingston OMPGP41024Q-A0 Gen4 NVMe SSD
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
I just thought it was pretty cool that it was running on Win 11.
How about (also works) the IBM old Mainframe emulator IBM/MVS OS -- amazing that you can get an OS which ran on the old "Big Blue" (IBM) mainframe machines. (Hercules Emulator with IBM MVS 3.8J).


If you guys ever wanted to see what a mainframe OS was like then this is a good starting point - many of the concepts are still valid today. E,G virtual memory, paging.

One thing you will have trouble with though is the awful "JCL" or job control language you had to put together to get batch jobs (or background jobs to run) -- no easy "Batch scripts" like on modern PC's.

Have fun though -- runs both on Linux and Windows (inc Win 11).

I warn you in advance --It's horribly addictive. I can imagine some "Old School Sys Progs" messing around with this.

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7
Norton Ghost still lives on! That part of the business was sold to Veritas. It was renamed to "Veritas System Recovery", but has changed very little from the Symantec days.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Kamrui Mini PC, Model CK10
    CPU
    Intel i5-12450H
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - Built-in Intel Graphics
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 2TB NVMe SSD
    1 x 4TB NVMe SSD
    1 x 4TB 2.5" SSD
    PSU
    120W "Brick"
    Keyboard
    Corsair K70 Mechanical Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Win11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkBook 13x Gen 2
    CPU
    Intel i7-1255U
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC3306-CG codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.3-inch IPS Display
    Screen Resolution
    WQXGA (2560 x 1600)
    Hard Drives
    2 TB 4 x 4 NVMe SSD
    PSU
    USB-C / Thunderbolt 4 Power / Charging
    Mouse
    Buttonless Glass Precision Touchpad
    Keyboard
    Backlit, spill resistant keyboard
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    WiFi 6e / Bluetooth 5.1 / Facial Recognition / Fingerprint Sensor / ToF (Time of Flight) Human Presence Sensor
Having a hell of a time trying to make a bootable recovery USB stick for it though! :(
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MinisForum / UM790-Pro
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen™ 9 7940HS Processor, 8 Cores/16 Threads
    Motherboard
    MinisForum
    Memory
    32Gb DDR5 5600MHz SODIMM
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated AMD Radeon 780M
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 32" 4K
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160
    Hard Drives
    1 Gb WD - Black SN850X PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD
    1 Gb Kingston OMPGP41024Q-A0 Gen4 NVMe SSD
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
Is that still around? I thought it gave up the...

A Guy
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 10 Home x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    INTEL Core i5-11400
    Motherboard
    ASUS PRIME H570-PLUS
    Memory
    KINGSTON HyperX Fury Black DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3200MHz, CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Superclocked 1GB 128-Bit GDDR5
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 32MA68HY 32" IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG 250GB 970 EVO Plus NVMe, M.2 SSD, Crucial 250GB MX500, SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda® 7200.12, SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache
    PSU
    CORSAIR RM550x 80 PLUS Gold 550W
    Case
    ANTEC P10 FLUX
    Cooling
    be quiet! Pure Rock 2, 5 x 120 mm Case Fans
    Internet Speed
    480 + Mbps Up/ 12+ Mbps Down
    Browser
    Vivaldi Snapshot
    Antivirus
    Avast
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Home x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-750
    Motherboard
    ASUS P7P55D
    Memory
    Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600MHz CL8
    Graphics card(s)
    MSI GeForce GT 240 N240GT-MD1G/D5 1 GB DDR5
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 32MA68HY 32" IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1980x1040
    Hard Drives
    Samsung Electronics 840 EVO 120GB, SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda® 7200.12, SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache
    PSU
    Antec TruePower New TP-550 550W
    Case
    Antec 300
    Cooling
    Cooler Master Hyper 212+, 4 Noctua NF-P12 120mm, 1 Noctua NF-P14 FLX
    Internet Speed
    480+ Mbps Down/12+Mbps Up
    Browser
    Vivaldi Snapshot
    Antivirus
    Avast

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
I just thought it was pretty cool that it was running on Win 11.
Backing up is not the issue - it is whether you can restore it. NG just fell over big time on UEFI pcs.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
Norton Ghost still lives on! That part of the business was sold to Veritas. It was renamed to "Veritas System Recovery", but has changed very little from the Symantec days.
I looked on web and all posts date back to 2013 - I could not find anything recent.

Norton Ghost should remain in the annals of history along with 8 track cartridges, betamax, carburettors, Kevin Keegan haircuts etc.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
Well for sake of nostalgia, I tried it in a vm, and I had forgotten how far back in time this was.

You had to create a boot cd from an iso you downloaded. Ok I can boot from an iso in Hyper-V but no idea where to get the iso anymore.

The installer still refers to Symantec.

Just going out on my car and getting up to 88 mph to get back to today.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
Backing up is not the issue - it is whether you can restore it. NG just fell over big time on UEFI pcs.
Both backup and restore worked here. I have a rescue usb stick here but on the boot the graphics are screwed up and the restore window is very small. Well it was a fun exercise here for a few hours to see if I could get it going.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MinisForum / UM790-Pro
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen™ 9 7940HS Processor, 8 Cores/16 Threads
    Motherboard
    MinisForum
    Memory
    32Gb DDR5 5600MHz SODIMM
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated AMD Radeon 780M
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 32" 4K
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160
    Hard Drives
    1 Gb WD - Black SN850X PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD
    1 Gb Kingston OMPGP41024Q-A0 Gen4 NVMe SSD
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
Both backup and restore worked here. I have a rescue usb stick here but on the boot the graphics are screwed up and the restore window is very small. Well it was a fun exercise here for a few hours to see if I could get it going.
And to think, this was the "bees knees" back in Bedrock days LOL.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
Well for sake of nostalgia, I tried it in a vm, and I had forgotten how far back in time this was.

You had to create a boot cd from an iso you downloaded. Ok I can boot from an iso in Hyper-V but no idea where to get the iso anymore.

The installer still refers to Symantec.

Just going out on my car and getting up to 88 mph to get back to today.

I actually still maintain a single user license for this because it's dirt cheap and just to see if they ever do anything interesting with it.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Kamrui Mini PC, Model CK10
    CPU
    Intel i5-12450H
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - Built-in Intel Graphics
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 2TB NVMe SSD
    1 x 4TB NVMe SSD
    1 x 4TB 2.5" SSD
    PSU
    120W "Brick"
    Keyboard
    Corsair K70 Mechanical Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Win11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkBook 13x Gen 2
    CPU
    Intel i7-1255U
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC3306-CG codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.3-inch IPS Display
    Screen Resolution
    WQXGA (2560 x 1600)
    Hard Drives
    2 TB 4 x 4 NVMe SSD
    PSU
    USB-C / Thunderbolt 4 Power / Charging
    Mouse
    Buttonless Glass Precision Touchpad
    Keyboard
    Backlit, spill resistant keyboard
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    WiFi 6e / Bluetooth 5.1 / Facial Recognition / Fingerprint Sensor / ToF (Time of Flight) Human Presence Sensor
Both backup and restore worked here. I have a rescue usb stick here but on the boot the graphics are screwed up and the restore window is very small. Well it was a fun exercise here for a few hours to see if I could get it going.
Yep, the recovery media cannot handle high DPI displays. It's an issue that I have been reporting to them for YEARS. I actually got a real technical support case open with then, probably over a year ago, that is still open and unresolved. I get a monthly status update. Yipee.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Kamrui Mini PC, Model CK10
    CPU
    Intel i5-12450H
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - Built-in Intel Graphics
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 2TB NVMe SSD
    1 x 4TB NVMe SSD
    1 x 4TB 2.5" SSD
    PSU
    120W "Brick"
    Keyboard
    Corsair K70 Mechanical Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Win11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkBook 13x Gen 2
    CPU
    Intel i7-1255U
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC3306-CG codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.3-inch IPS Display
    Screen Resolution
    WQXGA (2560 x 1600)
    Hard Drives
    2 TB 4 x 4 NVMe SSD
    PSU
    USB-C / Thunderbolt 4 Power / Charging
    Mouse
    Buttonless Glass Precision Touchpad
    Keyboard
    Backlit, spill resistant keyboard
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    WiFi 6e / Bluetooth 5.1 / Facial Recognition / Fingerprint Sensor / ToF (Time of Flight) Human Presence Sensor
Yep, the recovery media cannot handle high DPI displays. It's an issue that I have been reporting to them for YEARS. I actually got a real technical support case open with then, probably over a year ago, that is still open and unresolved. I get a monthly status update. Yipee.

Have you tried making your own? Ther is probably a way to get in running in win10/11 pe.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5-8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Monitor(s) Displays
    benq gw2480
    PSU
    bequiet pure power 11 400CM
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
  • Operating System
    win7
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    pentium g5400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    1x8gb 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450
Just found this and did a successful backup. This is a 30 day trial.
yes,
Ghost works.

I am ghost user. it can clone OS and data partitions except boot sector. my 1st ghost was Ghost 2003. its last discontinued copy was ghost 11.5. I am NOT so sure the v15 you mentioned.

Fortunately, 64-bit boot sector exchangeable. i.e. if Windows 7/10/11 conversion, no need to do any thing on boot sector. just close OS, that's all. I did Windows 7 64x upgrade to Windows 11 this way. ghost Windows 11 OS image to blow off existing Windows 7. no any problems.

But for new PC install from scratch, have to go install step-by-step as the ghost wouldn't work on boot sector. if only ghost OS without boot sector, the PC wouldn't boot at all.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7/11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP/Lenovo/Asus
    CPU
    Intel
    Hard Drives
    NVMe SSD/SATA SSD
Have you tried making your own? Ther is probably a way to get in running in win10/11 pe.
This is with my own recovery disk already. It cannot be made to work on SOME systems. Let me explain....

When Win PE or Win RE is run a system with a UEFI BIOS, it runs in native screen resolution. As an example, my HP laptop has a 15-inch 4K display. As a result, the recovery media will run in 4K display mode and the Veritas System Recovery boot disk will not display properly at that resolution. Unfortunately, in UEFI mode, there is NO WAY to run at anything other than native screen resolution. It cannot be done.

However, if the UEFI BIOS has a CSM (Compatibility Support Module), you can enable this. That will allow the recovery disk to run at a lower resolution, which solves the problem.

The problem is that some systems which ship with Win 11 now eliminate the CSM option altogether since Win 11 requires UEFI BIOS. There is no workaround on those systems.

There were a number of programs that had this problem, in fact, even earlier versions of Windows 10 had this problem when setup was run, or a recovery disk was run on systems with small high-DPI screens. Everyone that I know of (except Veritas), have resolved this issue several years ago.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Kamrui Mini PC, Model CK10
    CPU
    Intel i5-12450H
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - Built-in Intel Graphics
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 2TB NVMe SSD
    1 x 4TB NVMe SSD
    1 x 4TB 2.5" SSD
    PSU
    120W "Brick"
    Keyboard
    Corsair K70 Mechanical Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Win11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkBook 13x Gen 2
    CPU
    Intel i7-1255U
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC3306-CG codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.3-inch IPS Display
    Screen Resolution
    WQXGA (2560 x 1600)
    Hard Drives
    2 TB 4 x 4 NVMe SSD
    PSU
    USB-C / Thunderbolt 4 Power / Charging
    Mouse
    Buttonless Glass Precision Touchpad
    Keyboard
    Backlit, spill resistant keyboard
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    WiFi 6e / Bluetooth 5.1 / Facial Recognition / Fingerprint Sensor / ToF (Time of Flight) Human Presence Sensor
How about (also works) the IBM old Mainframe emulator IBM/MVS OS -- amazing that you can get an OS which ran on the old "Big Blue" (IBM) mainframe machines. (Hercules Emulator with IBM MVS 3.8J).


If you guys ever wanted to see what a mainframe OS was like then this is a good starting point - many of the concepts are still valid today. E,G virtual memory, paging.

One thing you will have trouble with though is the awful "JCL" or job control language you had to put together to get batch jobs (or background jobs to run) -- no easy "Batch scripts" like on modern PC's.

Have fun though -- runs both on Linux and Windows (inc Win 11).

I warn you in advance --It's horribly addictive. I can imagine some "Old School Sys Progs" messing around with this.

Cheers
jimbo
Having been a system programmer on IBM mainframes since 1973 and to this day (from OS/VS1 to z/OS with a few DOS years in between) I could never understand why people thought JCL was difficult. Having gotten that off my chest, I've been using the TK4- build for a few years and it is quite cool, and it makes you appreciate the licensed software (like ISPF, SDSF, etc.) that you take for granted.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Professional
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Digital Storm VELOX
    CPU
    Intel Core i9 11900K
    Motherboard
    ASUS PRIME Z590-P
    Memory
    64GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650
    Sound Card
    Realtek onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer R221Q 21.5"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x Samsung SSD 990 EVO Plus (1 TB)
    2 x Seagate ST4000NE001 (4 TB)
    PSU
    None
    Case
    VELOX
    Cooling
    Cooler Master
    Keyboard
    Logitech
    Mouse
    Kensington trackball
    Browser
    Firefox, Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes
Having been a system programmer on IBM mainframes since 1973 and to this day (from OS/VS1 to z/OS with a few DOS years in between) I could never understand why people thought JCL was difficult. Having gotten that off my chest, I've been using the TK4- build for a few years and it is quite cool, and it makes you appreciate the licensed software (like ISPF, SDSF, etc.) that you take for granted.
One thing I thought was really smart on IBM mainframes was the concept of GDG's (for the uninitiated Generation data groups) so it made cataloguing and data archival a real doddle e.g you could have directory(0), directory(-1),directory(-2) and the next backup directory(+1) could shift to directory(0), 0 would become -1, and -1 would become -2 for as many levels as you want so you always knew what were the latest and recent copies of the archive -- Brilliant system -- shame nobody has modelled this for PC backups etc -- I've 2 X 20 TB HDD space with loads of directories -- manual management is quite a pain these days. !!!!!

The main problem with JCL wasn't JCL per-se - but the problem of getting batch stuff into the system as usually there was a "queue" system to enter stuff into the computer even online via TSO (quite good actually). It got a bit irritating when you submitted something and then 30 mins later had to re-do it because of a stupid silly mistake in the JCL !!! and at the time I was involved in IBM mainframes management was usually too stupid or mean to invest in decent productivity tools like online JCL checker etc etc. !!!!

Two things I hated though were VSAM -- Very Silly/Stupid (aka SLOW) Access Method !!!! and those dreadful "Partitioned Data sets" which were libraries but just gobbled up disk space no end. Unix type structures infinitely better and more efficient -- especially things like XFS file system.

I believe IBM was quite late into relational DB's - its DB2 wasn't the best compared with SAP HANA, MariaDB/MySQL etc -- and the non relation DB called IMS was pretty horrible too.

I used to drive the sysprogs bonkers by killing the machine in getting code to read an IMS database backwards sequentially segment by segment using the most inefficient method possible (well we were all young once !!!). CICS (fortunately not in my part of projects) seemed also a bit of a dogs dinner -- seems every time something changed or another transaction added you had to re-start the system -- not a good idea if 100's or more online users !!! and IPL'ing (aka re-booting) a mainframe isn't like rebooting a Windows PC -- even a server.

Cheers
jimbo
 
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