NVME + Optane effectiveness?


cereberus

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My Laptop came with an NVME drive (1TB) with an additional Optane (28 GB) modules a NVME card.
I added a second 1TB NVME drives as laptop had a spare NVME slots - it has no SATA slots.

There is a bios option to specifically switch off the VMD controller but does not seem to do anything else e.g. offer AHCI as an alternative.

I tried to install Linux and it recognised the second NVME drive and obviously has a native IRST driver equivalent but would not recognise the NVME Optane drive.

I looked in bios again, and found I could turn off the optane module and now had three drives - 2 1TB drives and a small 28 GB drive.

I could install Linux on either drive and it booted fine (the existing windows installation was not affected).

I wiped the Linux installations and turned off the vmd controller and tried again - now it would not recognise either drive. It seems my laptop does not have an AHCI mode - I guess it was disabled as I can only add nvme drives using an IRST driver?

It is interesting standard Ubuntu and Mint installers recognise NVMEs but the poxy standard Windows iso does not - I have to add it using dism (or load it at install time).

So now having turned off optane - what performance loss would I get - I could not see any obvious performance loss.

I was really surprised when I did a Macrium Reflect backup with default medium compression - 1 min 50 seconds with optane on, 1 min 40 seconds with optane off.

So far, I cannot see any benefit of having optane on, and at least one negative impact. No wonder it has been decided to abandon it going forward!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
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    72 Mb/s :-(
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    Edge mostly
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    Defender
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    TPM 2.0
Optane can cause so much misery. The fact that Intel abandoned Optane leaving itself with millions of dollars worth of unused inventory should tell you something. Optane proved to be an epic failure for Intel.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.3447
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
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    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
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    1tb Solidigm m.2 +256gb ssd+512 gb usb m.2 sata
    PSU
    500w
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    MT
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    Dell Premium
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    Logitech wired
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    Logitech wireless
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    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
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    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
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    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
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    PC/Desktop
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    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
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    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
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    500w
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    MT
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    Dell factory
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    Logitech wireless
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    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
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    Firefox
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    Defender+MWB Premium
As far as I am aware there is no Linux version of the Optane driver, at least not an official one for the consumer grade modules.
Those cache drives can still be useful for an SSD/ NVME based system but it really depends on file access patterns, usage, thier benefit is extremely low latentcy, much lower than even the best NVME.
If you check the Intel forums concerning consumer Optane systems they recommend disabling caching before doing backups.
I was under the impression the RST driver supports AHCI natively as well.
Does Windows not show the controller using AHCI when the RST driver is disabled in BIOS?
It is possible there is a lock in place in the BIOS by the manufacturer to prevent a user 'bricking' the system by switching modes.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2, build: 22621.521
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Scan 3XS Custom 1700
    CPU
    Intel i7-12700K 3.6GHz Base (5.0GHz Turbo)
    Motherboard
    Asus ProArt Creator B660 D4
    Memory
    64GB DDR 3600Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus Tuff RTX 3080 10GB OC
    Sound Card
    Onboard Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Gigabyte G32QC 32inch 16:9 curved @2560 x 1440p 165Hz Freesync Premium Pro/ Dell SE2422H 24inch 16:9 1920 x 1080p 75Hz Freesync
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440p & 1920 x 1080p
    Hard Drives
    WD SN570 1TB NVME (Boot), Samsung 870QVO 1TB (SSD), SanDisk 3D Ultra 500Gb (SSD) x2, Seagate 3Tb Expansion Desk (Ext HDD), 2x Toshiba 1Tb P300 (Ext HDD)
    PSU
    Corsair RM1000X Modular
    Case
    Corsair 4000D Airflow Desktop
    Cooling
    Corsair Hydro H150i RGB Pro XT 360mm Liquid Cooler, 3 x 120mm fans, 1x Exhaust
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Ergonomic
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    800Mbs
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Defender, Malwarebytes
As far as I am aware there is no Linux version of the Optane driver, at least not an official one for the consumer grade modules.
Those cache drives can still be useful for an SSD/ NVME based system but it really depends on file access patterns, usage, thier benefit is extremely low latentcy, much lower than even the best NVME.
If you check the Intel forums concerning consumer Optane systems they recommend disabling caching before doing backups.
I was under the impression the RST driver supports AHCI natively as well.
Does Windows not show the controller using AHCI when the RST driver is disabled in BIOS?
It is possible there is a lock in place in the BIOS by the manufacturer to prevent a user 'bricking' the system by switching modes.
Thanks - pretty much in line with my thoughts.

Nope - no ahci on my laptop shows. I suspect bios is locked as you say.

Yep - linux would only show drive if optane cache disabled.

I have turned it back on as that is way laptop is intended to be used. Having a tertiary 28 GB drive does not give me any real benefit.

Also, I have never needed to disable optane for Macrium Reflect backups and never had any issue.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
Well after messing around, I broke optane and it would not reinitialise. I could see main drive plus a second 28GB module and everything worked ok. However, because of extra drive, I would have to update a number of batch files I use, so I gave up and swapped optane nvme drive for a conventional nvme drive. I see no evidence of performance reduction (I ran passmark and if anything, optane was marginally slowing things down).

Not only that the nominal life of the new nvme is twice that of the optane drive (not that I will live long enough lol).
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
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