One person's results installing Win 11 (final) on really old hardware

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One of my machines that I never attempted to install Win 11 on during the Beta, is a pretty old one.

It runs a 4th Gen intel i7, but it's fairly well equipped otherwise. The TPM module is older (version 1.2, not 2.0), but is has an SSD as the boot drive, 32GB RAM, UEFI BIOS, and supports secure boot. So, just for grins, I thought I would see what happens.

Preparation

That machine performs an image backup every night, so I was good for backups. To take it one step further, I did an export of all drivers to a thumb drive, and it turns out that this was a good move.

Installation

I performed a clean install from a thumb drive, and during the installation there was not a hint of a problem anywhere. Everything went smoothly. I was encouraged when I went into Windows updates after installation, and it did at least over me a couple minor security related updates.

BitLocker - a bad idea.

I always encrypt my entire C: drive, so I did the same here. The encryption went fine and I even rebooted a couple times after that with no problem. That's when I encountered something really odd. I disconnected my keyboard and monitor because I run this machine headless - I simply remote desktop to it when needed. However, on the next boot I found I could not connect to it. I attached a monitor and found that it was asking for my BitLocker recovery key. I supplied that, and all was okay, even after reboots, until I again disconnected monitor and keyboard. Same problem. So, for now, I decrypted the drive for further investigation at a later time.

One missing driver

There was one item in Device Manager listed an SMBus controller that showed an error. Letting Windows search the Internet for a driver yielded no positive results. So, I pointed to my thumb drive with backed up drivers, and just like that I no longer have any indications of hardware faults.

After hammering on it for a few hours now, we're looking good so far.

Summary

I'm not saying that this is the route everyone should be taking. I am under no illusion that what I am doing is sane, or even a supported procedure. I merely thought it would be an interesting experiment, and so far, it seems to actually be a fairly successful one. I'll continue to abuse this poor machine over the coming days and weeks to see if I can find any current flaws, but I'm pretty happy with how this little test went. Was expecting far worse.
 

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Hello Hshestedt,

I'm back on the forums, just wondering if you tried this tool from Intel for your driver issue. SMBus Controller Not Recognized by Windows* not sure if this is updated for 11 yet, keep a eye for optional or driver updates through WU.

Best,

Shawnloveshorses
 

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    Intel
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    4GB
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Hello Hshestedt,

I'm back on the forums, just wondering if you tried this tool from Intel for your driver issue. SMBus Controller Not Recognized by Windows* not sure if this is updated for 11 yet, keep a eye for optional or driver updates through WU.

Best,

Shawnloveshorses
Thanks for the suggestion, much appreciated. So, it turns out that this is exactly what I did when I installed Windows 10. Then, I exported those drivers. So, effectively, when point to those backed up drives, I doing basically the same thing in a bit of a round-about way.

But I like your suggestion. I will likely do yet another clean install soon because in my early experiments with new machines I tend to really mess things up (on purpose). I'll probably grab those drivers to make sure I have the very latest.

Thanks again!
 

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    Windows 11 21H2
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    CPU
    Intel i7-11700K
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
    Sound Card
    Realtek (on motherboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
    PSU
    Corsair HX850i
    Case
    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
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    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
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    Logitech MX Master 3
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    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
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    Intel i7-7500U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
    Sound Card
    Built-in Realtek HD Audio
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    4k 15-inch
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Have you tried contacting Windows Support?
 

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Have you tried contacting Windows Support?
Not sure I understood the question. Contact support for what? The BitLocker issue? Why would I do that? I already noted I've not done any troubleshooting yet and that I am on a completely unsupported configuration. No, MS support will not be a option for this issue. I was Microsoft Technical Support for over a decade. If I was the one receiving that call I would have laughed you off the phone in 2 seconds.

Just kidding, not really, but you get my point.
 

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    Windows 11 21H2
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    Intel i7-11700K
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    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
    Sound Card
    Realtek (on motherboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
    PSU
    Corsair HX850i
    Case
    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
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    300Mb down / 20Mb up
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    Windows Defender
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  • Operating System
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    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
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    Intel i7-7500U
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    32GB
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    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
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Not sure I understood the question. Contact support for what? The BitLocker issue? Why would I do that? I already noted I've not done any troubleshooting yet and that I am on a completely unsupported configuration. No, MS support will not be a option for this issue. I was Microsoft Technical Support for over a decade. If I was the one receiving that call I would have laughed you off the phone in 2 seconds.

Just kidding, not really, but you get my point.
They can help you with your bit-locker, you should try some troubleshooting, all the steps are on Microsoft website for 11, also windows support will help you though.

Though everyone here at the forums will love to help you too :)

I just usually go for support since they can help me :)

Shawn
 

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I was Microsoft Technical Support for over a decade. If I was the one receiving that call I would have laughed you off the phone in 2 seconds.

Just kidding, not really, but you get my point.
Well, at least that would be better than giving a stupidly wrong answer that some people have gotten from MS Support.
 

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    Windows 11 Education
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    Dell Inspiron 7773
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    Intel i7-8550U
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    32GB
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Well, at least that would be better than giving a stupidly wrong answer that some people have gotten from MS Support.
I never had any issues with support, they are always so nice to me, and I always get my issue solved. If not, it is the forums, :)
 

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    Motherboard
    Intel
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    4GB
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    Intel® HD Graphics 620
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You saw that I was kidding, right? My point was simply that I would be embarrassed to go to Microsoft and ask them to fix something that was

1) Clearly unsupported.
2) Where I had made zero effort to diagnose the problem myself yet.

Invariably, one of the first question asked would be "what have you tried so far to resolve the issue?".

Nevertheless, I appreciate the suggestion. Thanks for trying to help.

In the meantime, since my original post about my experiment on this machine, I thought I'd push it yet once again. Installed 11 on a laptop with a 6th gen CPU. That machine at least has a TPM 2.0 module. That one worked flawlessly. Everything, including BitLocker, seems to work just fine on that machine so far.

I'm merely experimenting at this point to see what can and cannot be done.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Operating System
    Windows 11 21H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-11700K
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
    Sound Card
    Realtek (on motherboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
    PSU
    Corsair HX850i
    Case
    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    300Mb down / 20Mb up
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Additional options installed:
    WiFi 6E PCIe adapter
    ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 PCIe adapter
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 21H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
    CPU
    Intel i7-7500U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
    Sound Card
    Built-in Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4k 15-inch
    Screen Resolution
    4k (3840 x 2160)
    Hard Drives
    1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD
    Internet Speed
    300Mb down / 20Mb up
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    RAM Upgraded from 16GB to 32GB WiFi Upgraded from WiFi 5 to WiFi 6 SSD upgraded from 512GB NVMe SSD to 1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD
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You saw that I was kidding, right? My point was simply that I would be embarrassed to go to Microsoft and ask them to fix something that was

1) Clearly unsupported.
2) Where I had made zero effort to diagnose the problem myself yet.

Invariably, one of the first question asked would be "what have you tried so far to resolve the issue?".

Nevertheless, I appreciate the suggestion. Thanks for trying to help.

In the meantime, since my original post about my experiment on this machine, I thought I'd push it yet once again. Installed 11 on a laptop with a 6th gen CPU. That machine at least has a TPM 2.0 module. That one worked flawlessly. Everything, including BitLocker, seems to work just fine on that machine so far.

I'm merely experimenting at this point to see what can and cannot be done.
Oh sorry Hsehestedt, I didn't notice you mentioned 6th gen, I am sorry my bad. Well they would still help you though anyways there is a ELeven Fourms for a reason to have each other to help : )
 

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  • Operating System
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    Computer type
    Tablet
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ 7th i5-7300
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel® HD Graphics 620
    Sound Card
    Intel
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Surface Pro
    Screen Resolution
    2736 x 1824 (267 PPI)
    Keyboard
    Surface Type Cover
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Oh sorry Hsehestedt, I didn't notice you mentioned 6th gen, I am sorry my bad. Well they would still help you though anyways there is a ELeven Fourms for a reason to have each other to help : )
Yeah, in my first post I was talking about a 4th gen desktop PC. Now I added a 6th gen mobile into the mix :)

You are 100% correct. I've learned tons from these forums and consider them an invaluable asset.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Operating System
    Windows 11 21H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-11700K
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
    Sound Card
    Realtek (on motherboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
    PSU
    Corsair HX850i
    Case
    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    300Mb down / 20Mb up
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Additional options installed:
    WiFi 6E PCIe adapter
    ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 PCIe adapter
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 21H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
    CPU
    Intel i7-7500U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
    Sound Card
    Built-in Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4k 15-inch
    Screen Resolution
    4k (3840 x 2160)
    Hard Drives
    1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD
    Internet Speed
    300Mb down / 20Mb up
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    RAM Upgraded from 16GB to 32GB WiFi Upgraded from WiFi 5 to WiFi 6 SSD upgraded from 512GB NVMe SSD to 1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD
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