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I've been planning on upgrading my rig for some time and now it's time to pull the trigger. My thought is to just get a slightly better AMD APU and be done with it. But then I gave it more thought and I was now wondering if it would be better to go all in.

Rather than just getting a Ryzen 3 3200G how about this, get a Intel Core I5-10600K and a new motherboard? The Intel has 6 cores/12 threads and a built in GPU, base MHz is 4.1.

Is this a no brainier or am I overthinking it?
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Your thinking that is crystal clear is that an upgrade to a AMD Ryzen 3 3200G could be done with your existing motherboard, while an upgrade to an Intel Core i5-10600K would require a new motherboard - so, the Core i5 upgrade path is going to be inherently more expensive that the Ryzen 3 upgrade path, meaning you may have to go that little bit further to justify that expenditure.

The bit that is no brainier is, "why are you needing an upgrade, right now?" Like, is there some software you need that wont run on your current rig? Or would you like to see some favourite software run a bit faster, that is without bottlenecks? All chosen processors can run on Windows 10 and 11 Operating Systems, so there is no real gain there - might be better to wait until CPUs are certified as being "Windows 11" only CPUs, because then you will know that the technology is meant for the system you are intent on running. The choice is yours.

The Core i5 has more cores per die than both the Ryzens, and it's CPU performance can be 50% greater, according to published benchmarks. The drawback of the i5 is that it consumes more power. It consumes 125W compared to the Ryzens 65W - that is a doubling of power consumption for a 50% gain in performance. The second drawback of the i5 is that it supports a slower Memory Bus compared to the Ryzens, but this difference is only a couple of hundred Megahertz.

Also note that the processors Cache memory is shared out between each of the Cores on the die. This gives the i5 a better L3 Cache and the Ryzens a better L2 Cache. The CPU Cache technology holds instructions temporarily to improve the performance of memory access.
 

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I've been planning on upgrading my rig for some time and now it's time to pull the trigger.
Is that because prices are insanely over inflated right now?
 

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Performance wise my current rig is ok.. the goal in going to the Intel is to make sure that I don't have to do another upgrade for a few years. The AMD upgrade is so minor it's almost not worth doing and from what I've read Photoshop will do a bit better with a 6 core 12 thread processor.

Yes.. it's going to cost more to go to the Intel but IMO, it might be worth it.
 

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Is that because prices are insanely over inflated right now?
They are.. but that's for the GPU. If I got a Ryzen 5 3600 I would have to get a dedicated GPU and those are outrageously priced. I can get the Intel and the Motherboard for less than the AMD/separate GPU
 

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They are.. but that's for the GPU. If I got a Ryzen 5 3600 I would have to get a dedicated GPU and those are outrageously priced. I can get the Intel and the Motherboard for less than the AMD/separate GPU

That mainly works if you aren't interested in the performance of the GPU. Integrated graphics are usually much worse than discrete graphics cards. Example: HD 630 vs nVidia GT 1030 (The Intel includes HD 630 graphics. The GT 1030 is a low-end card from two nVidia generations ago, and probably not much purchased by crypto miners.) If you don't game, that's probably OK.
 

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That mainly works if you aren't interested in the performance of the GPU. Integrated graphics are usually much worse than discrete graphics cards. Example: HD 630 vs nVidia GT 1030 (The Intel includes HD 630 graphics. The GT 1030 is a low-end card from two nVidia generations ago, and probably not much purchased by crypto miners.) If you don't game, that's probably OK.
I understand that and if I need a better GPU I can get one later on.
 

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They are.. but that's for the GPU. If I got a Ryzen 5 3600 I would have to get a dedicated GPU and those are outrageously priced. I can get the Intel and the Motherboard for less than the AMD/separate GPU
If the price is right, go get it. It's a good proc. I even have I3 10100 (4 cores/8threads), and it's more than enough for all my work. 10600K is far more powerful.
Your motherboard is limiting AMD processors you can get to 3xxx series. 5 3600 is a good proc, with limitations you already exposed.

Don't know if Ryzen 5 4650 is available in your area. It's a good processor with more powerful graphic than Intel, but it's not available everywhere (was introduced as OEM part). Price is somewhere around Intel 10500.
 

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I understand that and if I need a better GPU I can get one later on.
Right. Especially if you're trying to talk yourself into the Intel upgrade.

(That's OK. My desktops are AMD at the moment, but I have gone back and forth between them and Intel over the years. My latest Intel system used an X99 chipset. I sorta miss the quad channel RAM, which would require a Threadripper AMD chipset.)
 

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I've been planning on upgrading my rig for some time and now it's time to pull the trigger. My thought is to just get a slightly better AMD APU and be done with it. But then I gave it more thought and I was now wondering if it would be better to go all in.

Rather than just getting a Ryzen 3 3200G how about this, get a Intel Core I5-10600K and a new motherboard? The Intel has 6 cores/12 threads and a built in GPU, base MHz is 4.1.

Is this a no brainier or am I overthinking it?
All advice is welcome
TIA
Jeff
All I can say Jeff is that I have aways been a Intel person and IMHO, if you do go with Intel you will happy with your decision.
 

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All I can say Jeff is that I have aways been a Intel person and IMHO, if you do go with Intel you will happy with your decision.
I used to get Intel processors and I switched to AMD some time ago. While I like AMD I found that the Intel gives me a nice CPU/GPU combination on the same processor.

Price wise I can get all of the parts for the Intel build in Sept or Oct of this year. IMO,, It's the way to go for me.
 

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Thanks.. but I have all of the parts I just want to do an upgrade and I can do that myself.
 

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I used to get Intel processors and I switched to AMD some time ago. While I like AMD I found that the Intel gives me a nice CPU/GPU combination on the same processor.

Price wise I can get all of the parts for the Intel build in Sept or Oct of this year. IMO,, It's the way to go for me.
I miss the days when I use to go to all the local computer shows. They use to have some great deals. Now the closet one that I know of is to far me me. It's south of Baltimore which means taking I-95 from Delaware, going through the tunnel and probably getting on the Beltway. It is much closer and easier for me to order online with Micro Center then take a short trip to ST. Davids Pa.
 

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I miss the days when I use to go to all the local computer shows. They use to have some great deals. Now the closet one that I know of is to far me me. It's south of Baltimore which means taking I-95 from Delaware, going through the tunnel and probably getting on the Beltway. It is much closer and easier for me to order online with Micro Center then take a short trip to ST. Davids Pa.
There's a shop in my town but they mostly fix PC's etc and they sell used parts. I have to touch base to see what he would charge to assemble the parts for me.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Home 22000.258
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banna Junior 6K - E Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryze 3 3200G
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime B350M-E
    Memory
    Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 2666 MHz DDR4 - 16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB
    Sound Card
    On motherboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viotek 32" Curved, ViewSonic 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1080P
    Hard Drives
    Primary Samsung 256 SSD
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    NZXT 510
    Cooling
    Stock AMD cooler
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
    Internet Speed
    Download: 240.78 mbps Upload: 12.02 mbps Ping: 15ms
    Browser
    Firefox and Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender

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There's a shop in my town but they mostly fix PC's etc and they sell used parts. I have to touch base to see what he would charge to assemble the parts for me.
We have a local Electronics/Radio Shack store that sells parts, new and rebuilt computers/laptops and does repairs. I do buy from them on occasion. I know it's not their fault but they can't compete with Micro Center. A few years back and under a different ownerI was going to go ahead and have them custom build a desktop for me. The tech I talked to was a friend of my son and he told me he would get back to me with a price. He never did and I never had them build my desktop.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    Keyboard
    HP USB Kekboard
    Mouse
    2.4 wireless mouse
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox

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You don't have to spend a fortune for a GPU if integrated GPU works for you. Any pre-owned OEM GPU will work better than iGPU.
But if you are willing to spending extra for the motherboard to get an i5, why not just get a Ryzen 7 3700X (8 cores, 16 thread) , use your existing mobo and look for a cheap (around $50 or less) OEM GPU online. You can just upgrade the GPU later on.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Operating System
    Windows 10/11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-4790K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Xtreme6 Z97
    Memory
    16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI R9 290
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Samsung M.2
    PSU
    Thermaltake 475 Watts 80 Bronze
    Case
    Thermaltake Commander I Snow Edition
    Cooling
    Deep Cool Archer Air Cooler
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    "Moderna"
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    MSI MPG Gaming Edge Wifi (X570)
    Memory
    32GB Adata XPG DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    ASUS GTX 1070 8GB ROG Strix
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Main Boot Drive : 512GB Adata XPG RGB Gen3x4 NVMe M.2 SSD
    PSU
    EVGA 600 Watts Gold
    Case
    Deepcool Genome II
    Cooling
    Deepcool Fryzen
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Armageddon MKA-5R RGB-Hornet
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Moderna

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I like the idea,, I just have to work that out budget wise.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Home 22000.258
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banna Junior 6K - E Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryze 3 3200G
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime B350M-E
    Memory
    Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 2666 MHz DDR4 - 16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB
    Sound Card
    On motherboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viotek 32" Curved, ViewSonic 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1080P
    Hard Drives
    Primary Samsung 256 SSD
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    NZXT 510
    Cooling
    Stock AMD cooler
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
    Internet Speed
    Download: 240.78 mbps Upload: 12.02 mbps Ping: 15ms
    Browser
    Firefox and Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
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