Start Layout in Windows 11 for All users

AMH4Y

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Hi,

Is it not supported /possible to override the Windows 11 default start layout?

I am trying to set the following start layout for all users:
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Following this article and created json file as
Customize the Windows 11 Start menu

  1. {
  2. "primaryOEMPins": [
  3. { "packagedAppId": "Microsoft.Windows.Photos_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App" },
  4. { "desktopAppId": "Chrome" },
  5. { "desktopAppId": "308046B0AF4A39CB" },
  6. { "desktopAppId": "{7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\\Notepad++\\notepad++.exe" }
  7. ],
  8. "secondaryOEMPins": [
  9. { "desktopAppId": "::{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}" },
  10. { "packagedAppId": "windows.immersivecontrolpanel_cw5n1h2txyewy!microsoft.windows.immersivecontrolpanel" }
  11. ],
  12. "firstRunOEMPins": [
  13. { "packagedAppId": "Microsoft.WindowsNotepad_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App" }
  14. ]
  15. }


Now copied this LayoutModification.Json file in mounted image as:
D:\Mount\Users\Default\Appdata\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Shell

Once image is deployed, the result wasn't as expected:

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i was unable to do this as well. even if you manually set your start menu pinned items and enable the group policy for start layout, it does not let you pin new items to start but you are still able to unpin current items from the menu...
 

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i was unable to do this as well. even if you manually set your start menu pinned items and enable the group policy for start layout, it does not let you pin new items to start but you are still able to unpin current items from the menu...
Yeah, as far as I can see, currently it's kind of impossible to override default layout and replace with a custom layout.
 

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try setting your preferred on a pc, then using sordum's utility to export/import it to another. may work for your needs

 

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try setting your preferred on a pc, then using sordum's utility to export/import it to another. may work for your needs

Would prefer using MS way, but thanks anyways, have tested this utility today already.
 

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Hello!, an alternative is to use registry entries:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\PolicyManager\current\device\Start]

"ConfigureStartPins"="{\"pinnedList\":[{\"desktopAppId\":\"308046B0AF4A39CB\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"Chrome\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"MSEdge\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"Microsoft.Office.WINWORD.EXE.15\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"Microsoft.Office.EXCEL.EXE.15\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"Microsoft.Office.POWERPNT.EXE.15\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"{7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\\\\CDBurnerXP\\\\cdbxpp.exe\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"{6D809377-6AF0-444B-8957-A3773F02200E}\\\\Adobe\\\\Acrobat DC\\\\Acrobat\\\\Acrobat.exe\"},{\"packagedAppId\":\"Microsoft.WindowsCalculator_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\"},{\"packagedAppId\":\"Microsoft.WindowsNotepad_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\"},{\"packagedAppId\":\"microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps_8wekyb3d8bbwe!microsoft.windowslive.calendar\"},{\"packagedAppId\":\"Microsoft.MicrosoftStickyNotes_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"Microsoft.Windows.ControlPanel\"},{\"packagedAppId\":\"windows.immersivecontrolpanel_cw5n1h2txyewy!microsoft.windows.immersivecontrolpanel\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"Microsoft.Windows.Explorer\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"{1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\\\\cmd.exe\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"{7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\\\\TEAMVIEWER\\\\TEAMVIEWER.EXE\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"prokzult ad\"}]}" "ConfigureStartPins_ProviderSet"=dword:00000001

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Hello!, an alternative is to use registry entries:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\PolicyManager\current\device\Start]

"ConfigureStartPins"="{\"pinnedList\":[{\"desktopAppId\":\"308046B0AF4A39CB\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"Chrome\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"MSEdge\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"Microsoft.Office.WINWORD.EXE.15\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"Microsoft.Office.EXCEL.EXE.15\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"Microsoft.Office.POWERPNT.EXE.15\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"{7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\\\\CDBurnerXP\\\\cdbxpp.exe\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"{6D809377-6AF0-444B-8957-A3773F02200E}\\\\Adobe\\\\Acrobat DC\\\\Acrobat\\\\Acrobat.exe\"},{\"packagedAppId\":\"Microsoft.WindowsCalculator_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\"},{\"packagedAppId\":\"Microsoft.WindowsNotepad_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\"},{\"packagedAppId\":\"microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps_8wekyb3d8bbwe!microsoft.windowslive.calendar\"},{\"packagedAppId\":\"Microsoft.MicrosoftStickyNotes_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"Microsoft.Windows.ControlPanel\"},{\"packagedAppId\":\"windows.immersivecontrolpanel_cw5n1h2txyewy!microsoft.windows.immersivecontrolpanel\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"Microsoft.Windows.Explorer\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"{1AC14E77-02E7-4E5D-B744-2EB1AE5198B7}\\\\cmd.exe\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"{7C5A40EF-A0FB-4BFC-874A-C0F2E0B9FA8E}\\\\TEAMVIEWER\\\\TEAMVIEWER.EXE\"},{\"desktopAppId\":\"prokzult ad\"}]}" "ConfigureStartPins_ProviderSet"=dword:00000001

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Hi,
Can you email /attach the reg file?
 

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See attached, now I'm racking my brain to not let users remove or add icons, any help is valid.
 

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See attached, now I'm racking my brain to not let users remove or add icons, any help is valid.
Thanks for attaching the file, will check it in my LAB environment.
To answer your question, maybe you can have your defined layout for all users and have it apply at startup (when computer starts), so if a user has modified the layout, will be reverted to what you defined.
 

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I tried to do this, it doesn't work. I'm looking for a way to remove the add button or remove the pins
 

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If you're still looking for a way -

I had a hard time with the JSON file for the start menu. What I found is that Windows creates a start.bin (\user\YourUSER\Appdata\Local\Packages\Microsoft.Windows.StartMenuExperienceHost_cw5n1h2txyewy\LocalState\) which has all the start menu pins. You can literally copy that and paste it in the default user folder path so that new users can have it.

What I do for my organization currently is I use PS App Deployment Toolkit to wrap it up:

Ex:
Note- I also use this to copy the taskbar pins

Code:
          $Profilepaths = Get-UserProfiles | Select-Object -ExpandProperty 'ProfilePath'
          ForEach ($Profile in $ProfilePaths) {
          Copy-File -Path $dirSupportFiles\start.bin -Destination $Profile\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.Windows.StartMenuExperienceHost_cw5n1h2txyewy\LocalState
          Copy-File -Path $dirSupportFiles\LayoutModification.xml -Destination $profile\AppData\local\Microsoft\Windows\Shell
          }

This will copy to the default + any profiles that exist (If you are doing an In place Upgrade)

So to test:

1. Log in to a profile
2. Change the start menu as you see fit
3. Copy the start.bin to another profile
4. Login to that profile and test (You can also restart Explorer for the change to take effect)

I attached an example snip below. My Start.bin has some of the office apps on there but, I didnt install office on my lab so it left them out. I really wanted the Microsoft store gone so this route was pretty kind to me.

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This post explains it better
 
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Hello, this is a solution that works, but I have many complaints, the user removes the icons and then they call to complain that they have changed and then returned to normal, the interesting thing is to remove the "unpin from start" option, but this is difficult find.
If you're still looking for a way -

I had a hard time with the JSON file for the start menu. What I found is that Windows creates a start.bin (\user\YourUSER\Appdata\Local\Packages\Microsoft.Windows.StartMenuExperienceHost_cw5n1h2txyewy\LocalState\) which has all the start menu pins. You can literally copy that and paste it in the default user folder path so that new users can have it.

What I do for my organization currently is I use PS App Deployment Toolkit to wrap it up:

Ex:
Note- I also use this to copy the taskbar pins

Code:
          $Profilepaths = Get-UserProfiles | Select-Object -ExpandProperty 'ProfilePath'
          ForEach ($Profile in $ProfilePaths) {
          Copy-File -Path $dirSupportFiles\start.bin -Destination $Profile\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.Windows.StartMenuExperienceHost_cw5n1h2txyewy\LocalState
          Copy-File -Path $dirSupportFiles\LayoutModification.xml -Destination $profile\AppData\local\Microsoft\Windows\Shell
          }

This will copy to the default + any profiles that exist (If you are doing an In place Upgrade)

So to test:

1. Log in to a profile
2. Change the start menu as you see fit
3. Copy the start.bin to another profile
4. Login to that profile and test (You can also restart Explorer for the change to take effect)

I attached an example snip below. My Start.bin has some of the office apps on there but, I didnt install office on my lab so it left them out. I really wanted the Microsoft store gone so this route was pretty kind to me.

View attachment 17100


This post explains it better
 

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New tutorial to help. :)

 

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Currently working on this for domain joined machines and the start.bin file seems to not get copied from the default user anymore for a new domain user profile. This is with Windows 11 pro. Haven't had luck with the json file either as we don't currently use Endpoint manager or intune. The main objective is to modify the start menu pins to not show the promotional apps such as tiktok/climpchamp/etc. Any thoughts?
 

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Currently working on this for domain joined machines and the start.bin file seems to not get copied from the default user anymore for a new domain user profile. This is with Windows 11 pro. Haven't had luck with the json file either as we don't currently use Endpoint manager or intune. The main objective is to modify the start menu pins to not show the promotional apps such as tiktok/climpchamp/etc. Any thoughts?

Hi,

You should copy the start.bin file to this path:

%SystemDrive%\Users\Default\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.Windows.StartMenuExperienceHost_cw5n1h2txyewy\LocalState\

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Hi,

You should copy the start.bin file to this path:

%SystemDrive%\Users\Default\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.Windows.StartMenuExperienceHost_cw5n1h2txyewy\LocalState\

Regards.
I have this as a step in my mdt deployment task sequence and I can see by the time stamp on the file after deployment for the default user is the right file. When I look at the same file for the newly logged in domain user the time stamps are the day off and size is not the same. I have even moved the newly created profile's start.bin file to my reference machine and it is indeed not the correct file. It's almost as if that folder/file is not getting copied over from the default profile at all.
 

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