System Restore failure with iCloud in Office 2021

idainc · Nov 22, 2021

Tried a system restore on a W11 system with Office 2021 installed using iCloud for calendar and contacts and received the attached error.

jvickers · Nov 22, 2021

idainc said:
Tried a system restore on a W11 system with Office 2021 installed using iCloud for calendar and contacts and received the attached error.

This is by no means a solution to your issue. Rather, it's a gripe of sort. I've never been able to get a system restore to save with Windows. When I do, it seems to not want to restore the system. This is why I switched to making image backups of the drive where I store my OS. I have a separate drive for programs, so restoring the drive with the OS is all I need to do.

Dru2 · Nov 22, 2021

idainc said:
Tried a system restore on a W11 system with Office 2021 installed using iCloud for calendar and contacts and received the attached error.

iCloud is an "Apple" product, Office is obviously Microsoft so I can't speak on how both Apple and Windows get along here.

Dru2 · Nov 22, 2021

jvickers said:
This is by no means a solution to your issue. Rather, it's a gripe of sort. I've never been able to get a system restore to save with Windows.

I use system restore all the time and it works like a champ for me. Like everything else it depends on what your purpose for using it is.

And before all the "backup experts" chime in, a reminder.... System Restore is NOT designed to be a "backup" solution. That's NOT its purpose. And any talk of backups with this and that means you don't understand System Restore. Sorry.

jvickers · Nov 22, 2021

Dru2 said:
I use system restore all the time and it works like a champ for me. Like everything else it depends on what your purpose for using it is.

And before all the "backup experts" chime in, a reminder.... System Restore is NOT designed to be a "backup" solution. That's NOT its purpose. And any talk of backups with this and that means you don't understand System Restore. Sorry.

Agree that system restore is not a backup solution. I'm going to have to check more closely at why my system restore doesn't work like it should. I would much prefer performing a restore for subtle changes rather than having to restore from a backup copy every time something small happens to my system.

Quandary · Nov 22, 2021

@jvickers You may not be aware of two features in the MR paid edition. The first is Incremental backups (starts with a full image copy, and then incremental backup on a schedule that you select). Second is Rapid Delta Restore. With these two the restore is very fast.

jvickers · Nov 22, 2021

Quandary said:
@jvickers You may not be aware of two features in the MR paid edition. The first is Incremental backups (starts with a full image copy, and then incremental backup on a schedule that you select). Second is Rapid Delta Restore. With these two the restore is very fast.

I know about the incremental backup. I avoid that because I want to take up the least amount of space possible. Not sure it that is the case, though. I didn't know about the Rapid Delta Restore. I'll have to look into it. Thanks for mentioning it.

Dru2 · Nov 22, 2021

jvickers said:
Agree that system restore is not a backup solution. I'm going to have to check more closely at why my system restore doesn't work like it should. I would much prefer performing a restore for subtle changes rather than having to restore from a backup copy every time something small happens to my system.

One thing I found is System Restore works if you keep things simple. I use System Restore to do a quick test of drivers or apps. If they work, I don't need to do a restore. If there are issues, I'll do some light basic troubleshooting, and then use System Restore if I can't resolve the issue immediately. Key world being "immediately".

Also... a major difference between System Restore and a "backup" is System Restore does not backup "user data and documents". If you deleted a personal file, a System Restore isn't going to get that file back. System Restore just backs up the registry and system files to be returned to their previous state before the restore point was created.

With that, if the OP was/is hoping to retrieve some lost data from their Outlook files. I'm afraid System Restore can't do that.

About System Restore - Win32 apps

System Restore monitors system changes and saves the system state as a restore point. If a system problem develops as a result of a system change, the user can return the system to a previous state using the data from a restore point.

docs.microsoft.com

jvickers · Nov 22, 2021

Dru2 said:
One thing I found is System Restore works if you keep things simple. I use System Restore to do a quick test of drivers or apps. If they work, I don't need to do a restore. If there are issues, I'll do some light basic troubleshooting, and then use System Restore if I can't resolve the issue immediately. Key world being "immediately".

Also... a major difference between System Restore and a "backup" is System Restore does not backup "user data and documents". If you deleted a personal file, a System Restore isn't going to get that file back. System Restore just backs up the registry and system files to be returned to their previous state before the restore point was created.

With that, if the OP was/is hoping to retrieve some lost data from their Outlook files. I'm afraid System Restore can't do that.

About System Restore - Win32 apps

System Restore monitors system changes and saves the system state as a restore point. If a system problem develops as a result of a system change, the user can return the system to a previous state using the data from a restore point.

docs.microsoft.com

I'm not sure anything would restore deleted data from Outlook if you emptied the trash since Outlook synchronizes. That might not be what the OP was looking for, but as you probably know, Outlook can be irretrievable.

Also, I figure out what was happening to my restore points. It was trying to pull from a folder that didn't exist and not my C: drive for some reason. I deleted that erroneous folder from its search and turned it on for the C: drive. I couldn't do that when that folder was there for some odd reason.

Dru2 · Nov 22, 2021

jvickers said:
I'm not sure anything would restore deleted data from Outlook if you emptied the trash since Outlook synchronizes. That might not be what the OP was looking for, but as you probably know, Outlook can be irretrievable.

Yeah, that's true considering synchronization. That said, there usually is a delay between syncs so even if you deleted something, there is an "off-chance" you could retrieve it from the server before the sync happens and it's deleted there.

At any rate, System Restore can't restore what it never backed up

jvickers said:
Also, I figure out what was happening to my restore points. It was trying to pull from a folder that didn't exist and not my C: drive for some reason. I deleted that erroneous folder from its search and turned it on for the C: drive. I couldn't do that when that folder was there for some odd reason.

Well again, if this is a user created folder, System Restore wasn't going to retrieve it anyway since System Restore only deals with the Registry and System files. So, anything not of the registry or system files, System Restore is NOT what you want in hopes of retrieving personal data files. This is where the need for a "backup" program begins :wink:

Quandary · Nov 22, 2021

jvickers said:
I know about the incremental backup. I avoid that because I want to take up the least amount of space possible. Not sure it that is the case, though. I didn't know about the Rapid Delta Restore. I'll have to look into it. Thanks for mentioning it.

Some real experiences:
- did a full backup this afternoon (60.4 GM on disk, image copy is 21.6 GB)
- applied today's CU update
- did an incremental backup (2.4 GB)
Could not expect it to be any smaller.

jvickers · Nov 22, 2021

Quandary said:
Some real experiences:
- did a full backup this afternoon (60.4 GM on disk, image copy is 21.6 GB)
- applied today's CU update
- did an incremental backup (2.4 GB)
Could not expect it to be any smaller.

Thanks. I'll have to consider the incremental backup. My full backup of my C: drive is something like 350GB, so I incremental backup of smaller size certainly would assist me.

Dru2 · Nov 22, 2021

Quandary said:
Some real experiences:
- did a full backup this afternoon (60.4 GM on disk, image copy is 21.6 GB)
- applied today's CU update
- did an incremental backup (2.4 GB)
Could not expect it to be any smaller.

Yeah, that's the difference between initial and changed. But the issue isn't about backups it's about System Restore :wink:

Bastet · Nov 23, 2021

Try system restore within safe mode. It often completes in safe mode when it fails normally.

Dru2 · Nov 23, 2021

Bastet said:
Try system restore within safe mode. It often completes in safe mode when it fails normally.

System Restore doesn't work in Safe Mode....

How did "you" get it to work???

Bastet · Nov 23, 2021

@Dru2 What’s with the hostility? No need to ask your question in such a curt manner.
To answer your question: Safe mode with networking.

Dru2 · Nov 23, 2021

I don't know how you got "hostility" for asking a simple question??? Sorry I didn't frame it to your exacting specifications

Anyway, yes, you are correct, it works in Safe Mode with Networking. But you can also just go Advance Settings before getting to Safe Mode and restore from there.

Peace

Bastet · Nov 23, 2021

Perhaps your comment - How did "you" get it to work??? - with the emphasis on the word ‘you’ gave me that impression. That is where I read the hostility. There was no need for the emphasis.

Dru2 · Nov 23, 2021

Note if there was "hostility" I wouldn't have repped you :wink:

Peace

Bastet · Nov 23, 2021

Thanks for the explanation. Sorry for the mistake.

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