The Illustrious NEW Outlook


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There have recently been interesting posts concerning Outlook. This one approaches the subject from a pictorial viewpoint.

It is my understanding that there are currently three (or more?) ways (Microsoft) Outlook can be accessed:

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1713737856139.png an older, free, form of MS mail that is currently outdated (and therefore not “New” whatsoever), though it continues to show up.

1713737867201.png Either the new version of Mail (New), some other version of Outlook that is “New” or the application Outlook associated with the 365 family.

1713737877394.png (note "NEW" in the logo) Either the new version of Mail (New), some other version of Outlook that is “New” or the application Outlook associated with the 365 family.

1713737905220.png Or the web version of Outlook
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Will someone, correct my descriptions if necessary, and explain the differences between these 'new' species, and when/where we might use or not use them in practice (since using some may get in the way of using others?).

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Hi Jro.

Some of the shortcut pics say new, possibly because you’ve never opened them.

In your order

  • If using “Mail” you’re using the old Windows 10 version

  • If using “Outlook” you’re using the first replacement for “Mail”

  • If using “Outlook (New)” you are using the version that Microsoft is trying to push us to use (“Outlook” has a toggle to try it) and will be replacing the previous two versions (Mail & Outlook)

  • The web version of Outlook, has been updated to reflect the changes and workings of the “Outlook (New)” version (I believe)

  • There is also “Classic Outlook”. However it is still seen as “Outlook” in the start menue. This is the Outlook that belongs to any “Microsoft Office Suites” e.x. Microsoft Office 2016 to Office 365.
 

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View attachment 94049 an older, free, form of MS mail that is currently outdated (and therefore not “New” whatsoever), though it continues to show up.
Microsoft.WindowsCommunicationsApps - original UWP or Store app from 21H2

View attachment 94050 Either the new version of Mail (New), some other version of Outlook that is “New” or the application Outlook associated with the 365 family.
O365 desktop client

View attachment 94051 (note "NEW" in the logo) Either the new version of Mail (New), some other version of Outlook that is “New” or the application Outlook associated with the 365 family.
Microsoft.OutlookForWindows - newest UWP or Store app from 23H2, replaces Microsoft.WindowsCommunicationsApps

OWA - Outlook Web Access (browser page)
 

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Can they all be used interchangeably? Or can using one get in the way of using another (or vice:confused:versa).
 

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Can they all be used interchangeably? Or can using one get in the way of using another (or vice:confused:versa).
Why would you want to?

Unless you’re using the “Classic Outlook” you’re going to be forced to use the “Outlook (New)” version anyway. In fact I believe they have now updated O365 to the new version of “Classic Outlook”
Even the “Classic Outlook” has a toggle to try the a new version.

Microsoft is trying to unify “Outlook” due to what it has admitted, was a mess.
 

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The word 'new" written in blue just means it's a recently installed app. Of those you listed only the last one with 'new' written in black is the Outlook New App that is replacing the traditional Windows Mail app.
You should be using the second one that is Office 365 Classic Outlook.
Once you ever click on Outlook new, you are automatically switched to it in 365. You do not want that as it has limitations over the classic Outlook desktop app which has more options..Once switched, some people have not been able to switch back.
 

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In short, if you’re wanting to use the Windows desktop version, you may as well use the Windows desktop “App” “Outlook (New)” because they’re forcibly changing us to it soon anyway.

Otherwise
Stick to O365 Outlook. And yes I got the second one wrong, I didn’t immediately notice the icon. As Glasskuter says, it’s the Office 365 version. By the way, Office 365 has been renamed to Microsoft 365

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They named these apps/software versions on “Bring Your Kids To Work Day” and went out to lunch whilst the kids were playing in the boardroom.
 

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The 1st one is the Mail & Calendar App, still current, regularly updated, and available for around 10 years, started in Windows 8.

The 2nd one is Classic Outlook, paid for application been around for decades.

3rd one is the New Outlook (Beta), it is very beta lacking in features and compatibility with many Email accounts.

None is "new" as such, the 3rd one has been Beta for at least 6 months. Penned to replace both 1st and 2nd but way off that as yet.

The state of play is here:
Can they all be used interchangeably? Or can using one get in the way of using another (or vice:confused:versa).
You can use any number of Email clients at once, though this would be for testing purposes, which I did do, primary requirement was reliability.
 

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The word 'new" written in blue just means it's a recently installed app.
In the case of Outlook, it's used to distinguish between the older version and the new one, the one set to replace Mail in Windows. They're doing the same thing for the new version of Teams. It's not merely that it's newly installed. If you install the old Teams on a fresh Windows, it doesn't say new on it.
 

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MS has got too frickin many irons in the fire!

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In the case of Outlook, it's used to distinguish between the older version and the new one, the one set to replace Mail in Windows. They're doing the same thing for the new version of Teams. It's not merely that it's newly installed. If you install the old Teams on a fresh Windows, it doesn't say new on it.
If it says “New” in blue, I am almost 100% positive it’s because he hasn’t opened it yet.
The only new versions in there are the ones with New in brackets (New)
 

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Always Use the shortcut that's on your desktop @jro11 or pin it to your taskbar. That's Office 365 Outlook Classic.
 

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If it says “New” in blue, I am almost 100% positive it’s because he hasn’t opened it yet.
Wrong!
It says New underneath because MS thinks we're too stupid to realize that we just installed the app 2½ minutes ago!!! :zany:

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You can't use the desktop clients "interchangeably", because each app manages a private working copy of the mailbox. So switching back and forth will cause sync problems. There isn't one unified data store that all apps share.

OWA is a live look at your mailbox, as it's store on the server side.
 

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You can't use the desktop clients "interchangeably"
You sure about that?



Anyway...
If you're accustomed to Outlook for Office, keep using that, it's probably the most reliable.
If you're adventurous, try the (New) Outlook, it's actually getting way better than even a few short months ago!
The Mail app is limited and getting replaced by the (New) Outlook anyway.
Then there's always Outlook on the web, if you're not comfortable with any of the above.
 
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    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS VivoBook
If it says “New” in blue, I am almost 100% positive it’s because he hasn’t opened it yet.
The only new versions in there are the ones with New in brackets (New)
No. It's something they're putting on new versions to distinguish from the old. Kind of like the Pre that is/was on the CoPilot icon (I don't have it, so I can't see it anymore).

I've been using the new Teams since November, every work day, and it still says New.new Teams.png
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 [rev. 3737]
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC12WSHi7
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel Core i7-1260P, 2100 MHz
    Motherboard
    NUC12WSBi7
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    built-in Realtek HD audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3219Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical Keyboard with Cherry MX Clears
  • Operating System
    Linux Mint 21.2 (Cinnamon)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC8i5BEH
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8259U CPU @ 2.30GHz
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Iris Plus 655
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical Keyboard - Cherry MX Clear
@jro Just use the shortcut on your desktop.. It's the proper one. If you want it on your taskbar, right click on it and select pin to taskbar. Ignore the different outlooks in the all apps list. Pretend they're not there.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.3737
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1tb Solidigm m.2 nvme+256gb SKHynix m.2 nvme /External +512gb Samsung m.2 sata+1tb Kingston m2.nvme
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
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