To upgrade or not?

kjlkjadfasdfasd · May 10, 2023

I have a PC I'm considering finally upgrading to Windows 11 now that Win10 won't get any more Feature Updates. It has no TPM, and it has an i7-6800K processor. It does have Secure Boot.

Has MS said anything about cutting off unsupported systems with Win11 at some point? Did 22H2 come down as just another update or did you have to do any workarounds on unsupported hardware? I haven't really followed Win11 news for quite a while, and I worry about getting cut off before October 2025, where I at least know I'm good with Win10. I fully expect there will be no workarounds for Windows 12, but that may be a ways off.

Thanks

Try3 · May 10, 2023

kjlkjadfasdfasd said:
now that Win10 won't get any more Feature Updates

That's incorrect.
It is expected to get one later this year and another next year.
So you can delete that one from your decision criteria.

Windows 10 will continue to get fault-correction & security updates until late 2025.

kjlkjadfasdfasd said:
Has MS said anything about cutting off unsupported systems with Win11 at some point?

No.

All the best,
Denis

Porthos · May 10, 2023

Try3 said:
That's incorrect.
It is expected to get one later this year and another next year.

22h2 has been announced as the last feature update for Win 10.

Try3 · May 10, 2023

Where?

I've seen nothing in TenForumsNews.

OK, I've found it.
Windows 10 Home, Pro EoS - MSLearn

Thanks for making me look. Well, look again. I'm always looking for particular entries in its table and might well have been missing that warning for ages.

Denis

Porthos · May 10, 2023

Try3 said:
Where?

I've seen nothing in TenForumsNews.

Denis

Microsoft: Windows 10 22H2 is the final version of Windows 10

Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.

www.bleepingcomputer.com

wabbit · May 10, 2023

kjlkjadfasdfasd said:
I have a PC I'm considering finally upgrading to Windows 11 now that Win10 won't get any more Feature Updates. It has no TPM, and it has an i7-6800K processor. It does have Secure Boot.

Has MS said anything about cutting off unsupported systems with Win11 at some point? Did 22H2 come down as just another update or did you have to do any workarounds on unsupported hardware? I haven't really followed Win11 news for quite a while, and I worry about getting cut off before October 2025, where I at least know I'm good with Win10. I fully expect there will be no workarounds for Windows 12, but that may be a ways off.

ThanksMS can close the loop holes

Windows 10 will get the regular "Patch Tuesday" updates until October 2025. There could be a Windows 12 by then also. If this PC you're using is your daily driver, I recommend staying on Windows 10 for now. There's the possibility that MS can close the loopholes for upgrading unsupported devices to Windows 11. On unsupported hardware, every time there is a feature update to win 11, you'll need to either do an in-place upgrade or clean install using work arounds.

cereberus · May 10, 2023

Try3 said:
That's incorrect.
It is expected to get one later this year and another next year.
So you can delete that one from your decision criteria.

Windows 10 will continue to get fault-correction & security updates until late 2025.

No.

All the best,
Denis

You are correct that they have not said anything but that is is no guarantee that they will not do anything. In the end, it is a gamble.

glasskuter · May 10, 2023

kjlkjadfasdfasd said:
Has MS said anything about cutting off unsupported systems with Win11 at some point?

As far as I know they haven't said anything 100% definitive. MS throws around words like "may not" and "won't be entitled to" as they're done from the get-go. There is no guarantee. Only MS knows for certain and they ain't telling. Even if they know, they can always change their mind. They're MS.

Mark Phelps · May 10, 2023

I run Win11 on two unsupported PCs, one of them a laptop -- but I also keep Win10 updated on a monthly basis on SSDs I swap into each of the PCs. That way, if MS suddenly stops supporting the PCs, I can swap back in the Win10 SSDs and not have to do a clean install of Win10 to get the PCs back to working condition.

BruceR · May 10, 2023

wabbit said:
On unsupported hardware, every time there is a feature update to win 11, you'll need to either do an in-place upgrade or clean install using work arounds.

Why?

Bree · May 10, 2023

BruceR said:
Why?

Because Windows Update does a compatibility check for each new release, and won't offer the Feature Update unless you are running Windows on a supported device that passes all the checks.

MisterEd · May 10, 2023

22H2 was first released on October 18, 2022. The End of Servicing for 22H2 is October 14, 2025.

2023-05-10 18_36_37-Windows 10 - release information _ Microsoft Learn — Mozilla Firefox.jpg

Microsoft has been releasing new builds of 22H2 since it was first released and may release new builds of 22H2 until October 14, 2025.

2023-05-10 18_37_12-Windows 10 - release information _ Microsoft Learn — Mozilla Firefox.jpg

bfunke · May 10, 2023

Be aware Win 11 may be very sluggish on an older machine that runs Win 10 very well. My plan on two older machines is to continue running Win 10 and upgrade to newer Win 11 machine in next couple years sometime.

Bree · May 10, 2023

bfunke said:
Be aware Win 11 may be very sluggish on an older machine that runs Win 10 very well.....

I've not found that to be the case. System Two in my specs below only has a 1st gen i5, so is well below W11 requirements, but it runs 11 just as well as it runs 10. My Systen Four (see 'Other Info') was built in Oct 2014 and is currently dual booting Windows 10 and the Windows 11 Insider Beta build 22624.1755, there's nothing to choose between 10 or 11 in terms of speed.

kjlkjadfasdfasd · May 13, 2023

I ended up doing it. It was nerve-wracking, since after it had gone to 100%, it sat at a 'Getting Ready' stage for a full 90 minutes with very little disk activity. I was sure it had failed and I'd have to restore. I initially tried the appraiserres.dll option, and it failed, so I had to go with the install.esd trick. I'm just praying MS doesn't make me regret it by knee-capping unsupported hardware in a coming update.

Ghot · May 13, 2023

To upgrade or not, that is the question.
Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of a risky upgrade,
Or to take arms against a sea of incompatibility and by opposing, win out.

Stolen from the bard and butchered by me.

bobkn · May 13, 2023

Bree said:
I've not found that to be the case. System Two in my specs below only has a 1st gen i5, so is well below W11 requirements, but it runs 11 just as well as it runs 10. My Systen Four (see 'Other Info') was built in Oct 2014 and is currently dual booting Windows 10 and the Windows 11 Insider Beta build 22624.1755, there's nothing to choose between 10 or 11 in terms of speed.

Inuendo - not just an Italian suppository.

wabbit · May 13, 2023

kjlkjadfasdfasd said:
I ended up doing it. It was nerve-wracking, since after it had gone to 100%, it sat at a 'Getting Ready' stage for a full 90 minutes with very little disk activity. I was sure it had failed and I'd have to restore. I initially tried the appraiserres.dll option, and it failed, so I had to go with the install.esd trick. I'm just praying MS doesn't make me regret it by knee-capping unsupported hardware in a coming update.

I have an old HP laptop with no TPM, no secure boot, an old core duo processor with legacy BIOS and an HDD that I upgraded to Windows 11. That took almost 2 hours, then about an hour after that for it to do the updates. Made the install USB using Rufus. Try out your system for a few days and see if Window 11 was the right move. If you did an in-place upgrade, you can roll it back to Windows 10 in the 1o-day window, otherwise, you'll need to restore it from a previous backup.

Try3 · May 14, 2023

kjlkjadfasdfasd said:
I initially tried the appraiserres.dll option

I assume you mean replacing that file with a blank copy that has the same name.

kjlkjadfasdfasd said:
I had to go with the install.esd trick

What's that?

Denis

kjlkjadfasdfasd · May 15, 2023

Try3 said:
I assume you mean replacing that file with a blank copy that has the same name.

What's that?

Denis

The install.esd option is taking the install.wim file from the Windows 11 ISO, converting it to an install.esd file, and then replacing the one in a Windows 10 ISO. It sounds weird, but it worked.