Solved TPM/PTT confusion


gmemore

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I am currently looking into a new build using:
ASUS Z590 M Plus board
i5 10600k or 11600k
According to the ASUS website, this board has a TPM header, meaning it needs a Module added.

I have always built my own computers, but this technology has never been on my radar... My current system is pretty old...

This is where I am confused. I'm sure this is basic knowledge to most on here, which is why I'm asking, but it's just an area that I think average or 'knows enough to be dangerous' users like me don't understand until they actually have some experience with it.
And an ASUS 14-1 TPM, if you can find one, is another $48 today:mad:


I am reading about PTT and TPM. If there is no TPM module installed (There is a header with no chip) is there a PTT option in the UEFI (BIOS), or is this something that is available only if the board comes with the chip onboard, or, if the board only has a header, a chip is installed ?
Is there a standard or will it be board specific?
Will PTT be the equivalent to TPM 2.0

A cliff notes explanation is fine, or point me to a website. I really appreciate any direction on this
Thanks
 
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PTT (and hence Intel firmware TPM 2.0) is in Z590 chipset. So you will have it if the board BIOS exposes it, which I can't imagine it won't. if you look at the BIOS manual on the support page for that board you will find under PCH Configuration" (PCH = Z590 chipset) , PCH-FW with an option to use the chipset firmware TPM, or a separate plug-in one.

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PTT (and hence Intel firmware TPM 2.0) is in Z590 chipset. So you will have it if the board BIOS exposes it, which I can't imagine it won.t.
Thank you. This is what I thought I understood, but the presence of the header on the board caused me to question. I saw your full reply just now and now I understand it better. Thanks again.
 

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    Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB /3200 MHz
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    HP Envy 360 Convertible 15.6"
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    Ryzen5-4500U
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    I6 GB
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    HP27es secondary
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    1080
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    Crucial 1TB NVME
I am currently looking into a new build using:
ASUS Z590 M Plus board
i5 10600k or 11600k
According to the ASUS website, this board has a TPM header, meaning it needs a Module added.

I have always built my own computers, but this technology has never been on my radar... My current system is pretty old...

This is where I am confused. I'm sure this is basic knowledge to most on here, which is why I'm asking, but it's just an area that I think average or 'knows enough to be dangerous' users like me don't understand until they actually have some experience with it.
And an ASUS 14-1 TPM, if you can find one, is another $48 today:mad:


I am reading about PTT and TPM. If there is no TPM module installed (There is a header with no chip) is there a PTT option in the UEFI (BIOS), or is this something that is available only if the board comes with the chip onboard, or, if the board only has a header, a chip is installed ?
Is there a standard or will it be board specific?
Will PTT be the equivalent to TPM 2.0

A cliff notes explanation is fine, or point me to a website. I really appreciate any direction on this
Thanks
I'm looking to build a new PC too. I've now decided to wait a few months until Windows 11 is released to see what windows 11 certified motherboard are available. At least they should be supplied with TPM support and prices may have reduced by then post covid.

Note your chosen Asus board has a firmware TPM option so you don't need the hardware module.
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I'm looking to build a new PC too. I've now decided to wait a few months until Windows 11 is released to see what windows 11 certified motherboard are available. At least they should be supplied with TPM support and prices may have reduced by then post covid.

(snip)
Are you prepared to believe Asus? Asus Windows 11 compatible motherboards
 

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I have always built my own computers, but this technology has never been on my radar... My current system is pretty old.
Hi @gmemore
I've always built mine too, but it never crossed my mind to look for TPM headers on my motherboards.
As it turns out, the most recent motherboard I purchased has one. But there is another problem.
The GC-TPM2.0_S TPM module for my GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G is not available anywhere, and from my research, GIGABYTE have no intention of making it available.

So, the lesson for anyone intending on buying a new motherboard is ensure that your motherboard has a TPM header and ensure that TPM module stock is available. I would suggest buying the TPM module when you buy the motherboard to be safe.
 

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    Intel Core i9-10900X
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    GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G
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    Corsair 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) CMW64GX4M4C3000C15 Vengeance RGB Pro 3000Mhz DDR4
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    GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1660 Super Mini ITX 6 GB OC
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Hi @gmemore
I've always built mine too, but it never crossed my mind to look for TPM headers on my motherboards.
As it turns out, the most recent motherboard I purchased has one. But there is another problem.
The GC-TPM2.0_S TPM module for my GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G is not available anywhere, and from my research, GIGABYTE have no intention of making it available.

So, the lesson for anyone intending in buying a new motherboard is ensure that your motherboard has a TPM header and ensure that TPM module stock is available. I would suggest buying the TPM module when you buy the motherboard to be safe.
True, but most new motherboards have a firmware TPM option
 

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    Core i7-13700K
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    Asus TUF Gaming Plus WiFi Z790
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    64 GB Kingston Fury Beast DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 Super Gaming OC 8G
    Sound Card
    Realtek S1200A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viewsonic VP2770
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
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    Kingston KC3000 2TB NVME SSD & SATA HDDs & SSD
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    EVGA SuperNova G2 850W
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True, but most new motherboards have a firmware TPM option
That is right, Steve.

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An off topic question if I may. Notice the empty tables in your reply above. That was caused by copying and pasting text.
I've never seen that happen in a forum before.

How do I copy and paste text into a post without it creating a table every time?
 

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    Intel Core i9-10900X
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    GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G
    Memory
    Corsair 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) CMW64GX4M4C3000C15 Vengeance RGB Pro 3000Mhz DDR4
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    GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1660 Super Mini ITX 6 GB OC
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    Realtek ALC1220
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    Samsung 27" FHD LED FreeSync Gaming Monitor (LS27F350FHEXXY)
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    Samsung 970 Pro Series 1TB M.2 2280 NVMe SSD
    Western Digital Red Pro WD8003FFBX-68B9AN0 8 TB, 7200 RPM, SATA-III
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    Zephyrus M GM501GS
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    SK Hynix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) HMA82GS6CJR8N-VK 16 GB DDR4-2666 DDR4 SDRAM
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    Realtek ALC294
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    AU Optronics B156HAN07.1 [15.6" LCD]
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Hi @gmemore
I've always built mine too, but it never crossed my mind to look for TPM headers on my motherboards.
As it turns out, the most recent motherboard I purchased has one. But there is another problem.
The GC-TPM2.0_S TPM module for my GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G is not available anywhere, and from my research, GIGABYTE have no intention of making it available.

So, the lesson for anyone intending on buying a new motherboard is ensure that your motherboard has a TPM header and ensure that TPM module stock is available. I would suggest buying the TPM module when you buy the motherboard to be safe.
According to the manual, the GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G includes PTT (platform trust technology), which is Intel's firmware TPM. It doesn't explicitly state that it's TPM 2.0. Simple enough to check: turn it on in the BIOS settings, and then run tpm.msc from a Windows command line.

Firmware TPMs seem to be the way the business is going. I'd have to study them more before I dared to use them with Bitlocker. (I'd worry about not being able to decrypt data if something happened to the motherboard.)

PTT is active on my Lenovo laptop. About the only thing I know about it is that my Windows 10 PIN is kept in it. (Clearing the PTT loses the PIN.)
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 22631.2861
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Amd Threadripper 7970X
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D
    Memory
    128GB (4 X 32) Kingston DDR5 5200 (RDIMM)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
    Sound Card
    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
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    Philips 27E1N8900 OLED
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    3840 X 2160 @ 60Hz
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    Crucial T700 2TB M.2 NVME SSD
    WD 4TB Blue SATA SSD
    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
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    eVGA SuperNOVA 1600 GT
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    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
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    Alphacool Eisbaer Pro Aurora 360, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Internet Speed
    1200 Mbps
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    windows 11 22631.2861
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I9-13900K
    Motherboard
    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
    Memory
    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
    Graphics card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA329C
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB
    8 TB Seagate Ironwolf
    4TB Seagate Ironwolf
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo
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    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
An off topic question if I may. Notice the empty tables in your reply above. That was caused by copying and pasting text.
I've never seen that happen in a forum before.

How do I copy and paste text into a post without it creating a table every time?
Hi Stigg
Don't copy/paste. Click on "quote" in the lower right corner of the post. When it appears in your reply, click inside the quote and find the cursor. You can then edit out (backspace) everything but what you want to address in your reply, as I did with your reply above. Then click out of the quote box to type your reply.
 

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    Windows 10 21H1, Windows 11
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    roll yer own
    CPU
    i5 10600k
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590M-Plus
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB /3200 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS GTX 1650 OC
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell S3221QS
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980NVME 500GB (Windows 10Pro), EVO870 500GB (Windows 11Pro),EVO870 1TB (Data), EVO870 500GB (Virtual Machines)
    PSU
    EVGA 500BR
    Case
    Thermaltake Versa H18
    Cooling
    BeQuiet Dark Rock 4
    Keyboard
    Logi K800
    Mouse
    Performance MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    Like the bird chiseling onto a tablet on the Flintstones
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 21H1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy 360 Convertible 15.6"
    CPU
    Ryzen5-4500U
    Memory
    I6 GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP27es secondary
    Screen Resolution
    1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial 1TB NVME
I've always built mine too, but it never crossed my mind to look for TPM headers on my motherboards.
As it turns out, the most recent motherboard I purchased has one. But there is another problem.
The GC-TPM2.0_S TPM module for my GIGABYTE X299X DESIGNARE 10G is not available anywhere, and from my research, GIGABYTE have no intention of making it available.

This is how I came to question PTT (firmware) or Discrete (header and add-on). My current board is an H87 ASUS board. It does have a header, but it does not appear to have an option for PTT. I tried changing several settings to see if it would become visible but no.
It wouldn't matter if it did because it is 4th gen Intel, probably not ever going to qualify, no matter how 'generous' MS gets in relaxing the cutoff. I tend to drive a PC like I do my car - 'till the wheels fall off' (current rig replaced a 10 yr old nforce 730i). My current rig runs just fine for me right now, but testing 11 has me GASsing for new hardware, so I needed clarification on built in TPM

So, the lesson for anyone intending on buying a new motherboard is ensure that your motherboard has a TPM header and ensure that TPM module stock is available. I would suggest buying the TPM module when you buy the motherboard to be safe.
When the news of Windows 11 first came out, TPM modules were practically a dime a dozen on amazon. When the leaked build came out, I searched again - they vanished. I saw one yesterday that "fits" my current board, can't even remember where now, probably 'Joe's PC pick-a-part online emporium' or some such, and it was $48 + shipping. $10-15 is 'let's play with this and see what happens'. $50-60 is a ram upgrade or CPU cooler for a new build that I need anyway.

Thanks again to everyone who helped me on this.

I first joined on Seven forums and have tagged along for the education ever since. My questions are usually answered before I even knew I had them. The people on here are truly great and the sharing of your knowledge is invaluable!

BTW, I pulled the trigger on the new setup yesterday. Now, let's see if the Prime truck gets here before Tropical Storm Elsa...🌪️
 
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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 10 21H1, Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    roll yer own
    CPU
    i5 10600k
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590M-Plus
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB /3200 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS GTX 1650 OC
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell S3221QS
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980NVME 500GB (Windows 10Pro), EVO870 500GB (Windows 11Pro),EVO870 1TB (Data), EVO870 500GB (Virtual Machines)
    PSU
    EVGA 500BR
    Case
    Thermaltake Versa H18
    Cooling
    BeQuiet Dark Rock 4
    Keyboard
    Logi K800
    Mouse
    Performance MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    Like the bird chiseling onto a tablet on the Flintstones
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 21H1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy 360 Convertible 15.6"
    CPU
    Ryzen5-4500U
    Memory
    I6 GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP27es secondary
    Screen Resolution
    1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial 1TB NVME
This is how I came to question PTT (firmware) or Discrete (header and add-on). My current board is an H87 ASUS board. It does have a header, but it does not appear to have an option for PTT. I tried changing several settings to see if it would become visible but no.
It wouldn't matter if it did because it is 4th gen Intel, probably not ever going to qualify, no matter how 'generous' MS gets in relaxing the
I believe Intel introduced PTT in the chipsets in the 7th generation (Z170, H170 etc. chipsets). This is why you don't see the option in your H87 MB BIOS. So practically any 7th gen or newer chipsetswill have PTT. Whether it is 2.0, I don't know. Maybe 7th gen doesn't have 2.0 and that is why they have qualified only 8th gen and newer processors.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY Photoshop/Game/tinker build
    CPU
    10900K, 5.2 GHz all cores
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Maximus Hero XIII Wifi
    Memory
    64GB (2x32) G.skill TridentZ RGB 4266 MHz (Hynix) @ 18-24-24-42
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus ROG Strix 4070 Ti OC
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio, Vanatoo Transparent One; Klipsch R-12SWi Sub; Creative Pebble Pro Minimilist
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Eizo CG2730, ViewSonic VP2768
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440p x 2
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB nvme, SK-Hynix 2 TB P41 nvme, Raid 0: 1TB 850 EVO + 1TB 860 EVO SSD. Sabrent USB-C DS-SC5B 5-bay docking station: 6TB WDC Black, 6TB Ironwolf Pro; 2x 2TB WDC Black
    PSU
    850W Seasonic Vertex PX-850
    Case
    Fractal Design Meshify 2 dark tint glass
    Cooling
    EKWB 360 Nucleus Dark AIO w/Phanteks T30-120 fans, 1 Noctua NF-A14 Chromax case fan
    Keyboard
    Glorious GMMK TKL mechanical, lubed modded
    Mouse
    Logitech G305 wireless gaming
    Internet Speed
    380 Mb/s down, 12 Mb/s up
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender, Macrium Reflect 8 ;-)
  • Operating System
    Mac OS
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Apple 13" Macbook Pro 2020 (m1)
    CPU
    Apple M1
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1600
    Browser
    Firefox
I believe Intel introduced PTT in the chipsets in the 7th generation (Z170, H170 etc. chipsets). This is why you don't see the option in your H87 MB BIOS. So practically any 7th gen or newer chipsetswill have PTT. Whether it is 2.0, I don't know. Maybe 7th gen doesn't have 2.0 and that is why they have qualified only 8th gen and newer processors.

If this is to be believed, PTT was introduced in 2013 on some 4th generation CPUs and chipsets. Intel PTT My Lenovo laptop, with a Gen 6 CPU, has PTT. It presents TPM version 2.0.
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 22631.2861
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Amd Threadripper 7970X
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D
    Memory
    128GB (4 X 32) Kingston DDR5 5200 (RDIMM)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
    Sound Card
    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Philips 27E1N8900 OLED
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Crucial T700 2TB M.2 NVME SSD
    WD 4TB Blue SATA SSD
    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1600 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
    Cooling
    Alphacool Eisbaer Pro Aurora 360, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Internet Speed
    1200 Mbps
  • Operating System
    windows 11 22631.2861
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I9-13900K
    Motherboard
    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
    Memory
    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
    Graphics card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA329C
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB
    8 TB Seagate Ironwolf
    4TB Seagate Ironwolf
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo
    Cooling
    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
Yes, but I think it wasn't across pretty much all SKU until Gen 7. My wife's 7th Gene is TPM 2.0, so I reckon all, if not most, PTT TPM are 2.0.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY Photoshop/Game/tinker build
    CPU
    10900K, 5.2 GHz all cores
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Maximus Hero XIII Wifi
    Memory
    64GB (2x32) G.skill TridentZ RGB 4266 MHz (Hynix) @ 18-24-24-42
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus ROG Strix 4070 Ti OC
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio, Vanatoo Transparent One; Klipsch R-12SWi Sub; Creative Pebble Pro Minimilist
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Eizo CG2730, ViewSonic VP2768
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440p x 2
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB nvme, SK-Hynix 2 TB P41 nvme, Raid 0: 1TB 850 EVO + 1TB 860 EVO SSD. Sabrent USB-C DS-SC5B 5-bay docking station: 6TB WDC Black, 6TB Ironwolf Pro; 2x 2TB WDC Black
    PSU
    850W Seasonic Vertex PX-850
    Case
    Fractal Design Meshify 2 dark tint glass
    Cooling
    EKWB 360 Nucleus Dark AIO w/Phanteks T30-120 fans, 1 Noctua NF-A14 Chromax case fan
    Keyboard
    Glorious GMMK TKL mechanical, lubed modded
    Mouse
    Logitech G305 wireless gaming
    Internet Speed
    380 Mb/s down, 12 Mb/s up
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender, Macrium Reflect 8 ;-)
  • Operating System
    Mac OS
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Apple 13" Macbook Pro 2020 (m1)
    CPU
    Apple M1
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1600
    Browser
    Firefox

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
    Motherboard
    MSI MPG Gaming Edge Wifi (X570)
    Memory
    32GB Adata XPG DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS GTX 1070 8GB ROG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Main Boot Drive : 512GB Adata XPG RGB Gen3x4 NVMe M.2 SSD
    PSU
    EVGA 600 Watts Gold
    Case
    Deepcool Genome II
    Cooling
    Deepcool Fryzen
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    "Moderna"
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-4790K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Xtreme6 Z97
    Memory
    16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro
    Graphics card(s)
    MSI R9 290
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Samsung M.2
    PSU
    Thermaltake 475 Watts 80 Bronze
    Case
    Thermaltake Commander I Snow Edition
    Cooling
    Deep Cool Archer Air Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Armageddon MKA-5R RGB-Hornet
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Moderna :)
I've an HP laptop with Gen 6 intel CPU -- from around 2016 -- TPM V2 is enableable within the Bios.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7
I've an HP laptop with Gen 6 intel CPU -- from around 2016 -- TPM V2 is enableable within the Bios.
Like me (post 14), except mine is from Lenovo.

PTT was enabled by default. My Windows 10 PIN is stored there.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 22631.2861
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Amd Threadripper 7970X
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D
    Memory
    128GB (4 X 32) Kingston DDR5 5200 (RDIMM)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
    Sound Card
    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Philips 27E1N8900 OLED
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Crucial T700 2TB M.2 NVME SSD
    WD 4TB Blue SATA SSD
    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1600 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
    Cooling
    Alphacool Eisbaer Pro Aurora 360, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Internet Speed
    1200 Mbps
  • Operating System
    windows 11 22631.2861
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I9-13900K
    Motherboard
    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
    Memory
    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
    Graphics card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA329C
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB
    8 TB Seagate Ironwolf
    4TB Seagate Ironwolf
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo
    Cooling
    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
I have a Z590 Asus board and the TPM/PTT is included with the motherboard. My wife has a Z270 Prime A and I had to add the chip on the board and it works flawlessly. 😊 I still think that this is a cash grab but hey, a lot of are still surprised that we can install Windows 10 on 10-12 year old computers.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i9-12900K Desktop Processor 16 (8P+8E)
    Motherboard
    Asus TUF Gaming Z790-PLUS WIFI D4
    Memory
    G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32gb (2x16gb) DDR4 3200mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus Dual Geforce Rtx™ 3060 TI Edition 8gb Gddr6
    Monitor(s) Displays
    BenQ EW3270U 31.5” 3840x2160 UHD 16:9 HDR LED 4K LG 27UK850-W 27'' 4K UHD IPS LED Monitor with HDR10
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 with heatsink PRO PCIe 4.0 Gen 4 NVMe® SSD 1TB
    WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 4.0
    Crucial T500 2TB Gen4
    Samsung 970 Evo M.2 2280 2tb Pcie Gen3. X4
    PSU
    Corsair AXi Series AX860i Digital 860W 80 PLUS PSU
    Case
    Fractal Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
    Keyboard
    Logi MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logi M705
    Internet Speed
    400 mbs
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Eset NOD32
    Other Info
    Love fast boots
How does it make it a cash grab when Microsoft doesn't have anything to do with the manufacture and distribution of these TPM AIBs?
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 Current build
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HomeBrew
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
    Motherboard
    MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE
    Memory
    4 * 32 GB - Corsair Vengeance 3600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti XC3 ULTRA GAMING (12G-P5-3955-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x Eve Spectrum ES07D03 4K Gaming Monitor (Matte) | Eve Spectrum ES07DC9 4K Gaming Monitor (Glossy)
    Screen Resolution
    3x 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    3x Samsung 980 Pro NVMe PCIe 4 M.2 2 TB SSD (MZ-V8P2T0B/AM) } 3x Sabrent Rocket NVMe 4.0 1 TB SSD (USB)
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling’s Silencer Series 1050 Watt, 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark ATX Full Tower Case
    Cooling
    NZXT KRAKEN Z73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (3x 120 mm push top) + Air 3x 140mm case fans (pull front) + 1x 120 mm (push back) and 1 x 120 mm (pull bottom)
    Keyboard
    SteelSeries Apex Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S | MX Master 3 for Business
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
    Browser
    Nightly (default) + Firefox (stable), Chrome, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender + MB 5 Beta
  • Operating System
    ChromeOS Flex Dev Channel (current)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E5470
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2501 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520
    Sound Card
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 + RealTek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell laptop display 15"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 * 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 128GB M.2 22300 drive
    INTEL Cherryville 520 Series SSDSC2CW180A 180 GB SATA III SSD
    PSU
    Dell
    Case
    Dell
    Cooling
    Dell
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3S (shared w. Sys 1) | Dell TouchPad
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    AT&T LightSpeed Gigabit Duplex Ftth
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