Various interface issues


chmillman

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Still trying to come to grips with the mess of interface changes that happened from Windows 10 to 11...

First, if I install a new program that adds a desktop shortcut, it always puts the new icon in the upper left corner of the primary screen - even if there already is one there - and then moves all the icons under it down one position. This is completely nuts. All previous versions of Windows put the new icon in the next available space after all the existing desktop icons. Any fix for this?

Separation of separate files/running program instances as separate tabs in the taskbar - I read that this is no longer a setting available in the normal Windows interface - is there a registry hack or a third-party add on somewhere to do this? It's really stupid, I have 2 27" 4K screens, and Windows 11 is acting like I'm working on a smartphone in that respect. I generally have a half dozen programs and several files open spread across both monitors, and now I have to go hover over the taskbar, wait for the preview and pick out the one I want. I am currently using Start11 to bring back a Windows 8.1/10 like start screen with tiles (works great!), but it can't enforce separate tabs on the taskbar. StartAllBack appears to be able to do that from what I've seen, but you can't do tiles with it...
 
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Any fix for this?
Yes. Disable desktop shortcut creation when installing programs. If needed, add it manually. I personally keep a very minimal and clean Desktop.
 

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chmillman

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Yes. Disable desktop shortcut creation when installing programs. If needed, add it manually. I personally keep a very minimal and clean Desktop.
That's not a fix, just a personal preference. Mine is otherwise. Previous versions of Windows did not do this.
 

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That's not a fix, just a personal preference. Mine is otherwise. Previous versions of Windows did not do this.
True. I don't see that behaviour on my system. Have you enabled sort by date by default on the Desktop?
 

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Have you enabled sort by date by default on the Desktop?
Nope, haven't enabled any sorting actually. I want them to stay where I put them, not have some automatic system re-arranging everything...
I have the default View options Medium icons and Align icons to grid is all.
 

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Nope, haven't enabled any sorting actually. I want them to stay where I put them, not have some automatic system re-arranging everything...
I have the default View options Medium icons and Align icons to grid is all.
Try resetting File Explorer options.
 

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OK did that, that seems to work for creating desktop shortcuts from for example web pages, I have to wait until the next time I install a program to see if it did anything for that - will report back soon.

EDIT - So, nope, it's not working - and I just found out something much worse... If I save a new document to the desktop - which I do fairly often while working on something before moving it somewhere else to file it permanently - the new document also gets saved in the upper left corner, moving all the existing icons down. What a piece of junk...

EDIT #2 - Hmm somehow what I wrote previously did not get posted. I seem to have figured out what the problem is - it's a glitch in auto-arrange. It's not enabled by default, but somehow it's confused. If I check it to turn it on , then uncheck it again, this seems to have fixed the behavior. Now new files saved to the desktop go obediently to the end of the line like they should. Will see if it survives a restart. NO, IT DOESN'T... Simply confirms my opinion that Win 11 is not ready for prime time. Seems a lot more like amateur hour.


Found another interesting Office-related glitch just now:
Background - I have some Word document templates that have a typeface in the header that is scaled 110%. I often need to create PDF's from these documents. Previous versions of Office and Windows 8.1/10 had no problem with this, but now that one line of text just goes nuts in the PDF. So I resigned myself to editing the templates and setting the scaling back to 100%, which solves the problem.

Problem:
Previously, to open a Word template to edit, one right-clicked the template file and chose "Open" from the context menu - which opened the actual template file instead of a new blank document based on that template. The new "compact" context menu in Win11 doesn't work like that anymore. Doing the above via the compact context menu "Open" item now does exactly the same as "New" - it opens a new blank document based on the template, not the template file itself. One now has to click on "Show more options" and find the "Open" item in the long original context menu to open a template directly... So something is not hooked up correctly here.
 
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Here are some Windows 11 tweaks that may help...

 

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@chmillman

I can confirm this is happening on my PC too.
 

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chmillman

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Separation of separate files/running program instances as separate tabs in the taskbar - I read that this is no longer a setting available in the normal Windows interface - is there a registry hack or a third-party add on somewhere to do this? It's really stupid, I have 2 27" 4K screens, and Windows 11 is acting like I'm working on a smartphone in that respect. I generally have a half dozen programs and several files open spread across both monitors, and now I have to go hover over the taskbar, wait for the preview and pick out the one I want. I am currently using Start11 to bring back a Windows 8.1/10 like start screen with tiles (works great!), but it can't enforce separate tabs on the taskbar. StartAllBack appears to be able to do that from what I've seen, but you can't do tiles with it...
 

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I'm on 21h2 2200.376. Adding icons to the desktop is the same as it always was. New program shortcuts go to the next available position on left hand side of screen. If I right click any empty spot on desktop and add new document, it positions the icon where ever I clicked. It's always worked that way for me. I have 'view' set as medium icons-align to grid-auto arrange is OFF.
 

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