W11 VM on Old MBR only computer - Working properly with sec boot and TPM emulator

jimbo45

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Hi folks

Don't bother yourself too much with hardware requirements for running W11 espeacially a few years yet before W10 becomes dead. With a VM you can run W11 even on quite dated hardware.

on KVM/QEMU on an old Laptop -- SONY VAIO (doesn't even have USB3 support, only USB2 ) MBR Bios only and Intel core i5 computer (absolutely no UEFI or TPM) you can still get W11 to work properly with UEFI, secure boot and TPM V2 by running as a VM.

1) For TPM install package swtpm -- this installs the IBM emulator which works fine -- no need to configure - the VM will do that automatically, Install on the HOST system of course !!

2) for Secure boot and UEFI install package OVMF again on the HOST system. !!

3) now simply create your VM with boot options UEFI/secure boot and install

tpm.png

(Note on Arch Linux and possibly some other distros to get the libvirt (KVM/QEMU) system working properly you might also have to install package dmidecode.).

Nice to get an old Laptop into service again -- quite fast too -- this laptop had trouble even installing W10 latest versions !! but no prob running W11 as a VM.

Note - on the Windows 11 VM to check the TPM simply press Windows key + R (run) and enter tpm.msc



Cheers
jimbo
 

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How old is 'old'?
I'm on i7-4800, runs fine for its age but I'm considering to disable HyperThreading after CentOS recommendation during install.

The VM is expected to run further, though I'm not sure if any real Win11 validation tools apply to a VM.
 

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  • Operating System
    Linux: Rocky / CentOS / Fedora 64-bit / Windows 10 Pro 64-bit VM
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    TOSHIBA Tecra W50-A
    CPU
    Intel i7-4810MQ
    Motherboard
    TOSHIBA, Intel QM87 Express Chipset
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 @1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia Quadro K2100M - 2GB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6' built-in + LG-32ML600M
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 840 250GB + Samsung SSD QVO 2TB
    PSU
    180W adapter
    Cooling
    The usual airflow + docked to station - PA5117E-1PRP
    Keyboard
    Backlit built-in + Logitech Orion G610
    Mouse
    SteelSeries Rival 100 Red
    Internet Speed
    Good enough
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    Chromium, Edge, Firefox
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    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Build
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 1800X
    Motherboard
    MSI Mortar B350M
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 @2666
    Graphics card(s)
    GYGABYTE AORUS Radeon RX580 8G
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Medion 27'
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
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    WD Black 3D NAND SSD 250 GB NVMe + 4x HDD WD Blue 500GB 2.5'
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    Corsair Builder CX550M
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    Fractal Design Define Mini (Black)
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    Noctua NH-D15S
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    Good one, with cable / long tail
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    Lenovo SK-8825(L)
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jimbo45

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How old is 'old'?
I'm on i7-4800, runs fine for its age but I'm considering to disable HyperThreading after CentOS recommendation during install.

The VM is expected to run further, though I'm not sure if any real Win11 validation tools apply to a VM.
Computer from 2015 so almost 7 years old.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
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    PC/Desktop
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    2 X Intel i7

Hopachi

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Thanks.
Yep, I'm on one of those as well.
Confirmed that it can handle the load, daily usage.

EDIT: it has 32gb ddr3, I'm not gonna trash it out just because it fails W11 specs.
 

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System One System Two

  • Operating System
    Linux: Rocky / CentOS / Fedora 64-bit / Windows 10 Pro 64-bit VM
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    TOSHIBA Tecra W50-A
    CPU
    Intel i7-4810MQ
    Motherboard
    TOSHIBA, Intel QM87 Express Chipset
    Memory
    32GB DDR3 @1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia Quadro K2100M - 2GB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6' built-in + LG-32ML600M
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 840 250GB + Samsung SSD QVO 2TB
    PSU
    180W adapter
    Cooling
    The usual airflow + docked to station - PA5117E-1PRP
    Keyboard
    Backlit built-in + Logitech Orion G610
    Mouse
    SteelSeries Rival 100 Red
    Internet Speed
    Good enough
    Browser
    Chromium, Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Build
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 1800X
    Motherboard
    MSI Mortar B350M
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 @2666
    Graphics card(s)
    GYGABYTE AORUS Radeon RX580 8G
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Medion 27'
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    WD Black 3D NAND SSD 250 GB NVMe + 4x HDD WD Blue 500GB 2.5'
    PSU
    Corsair Builder CX550M
    Case
    Fractal Design Define Mini (Black)
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15S
    Mouse
    Good one, with cable / long tail
    Keyboard
    Lenovo SK-8825(L)
    Internet Speed
    N/A
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender

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W11 VM's run very well on non-compatible hardware using Hyper-V as well. On the left are the Whynot W11 results for aW11 Pro VM, and on the right for the host.
 

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  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Insider Preview (VM on Hyper-V), Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home brew
    CPU
    i5-8500
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B360M DS3H
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    System
    Sound Card
    System
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus 27" on KVM switch
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Kingston 120 GB SSD system dr., 1TB Gigabyte M.2 MVNe data and 1 TB M.2 PCie @ 20 Gb/s virtual drive storage, 2 TB WD HDD
    PSU
    Thermatake 500w
    Case
    Mid Tower
    Cooling
    fans
    Keyboard
    Logitech on KVM
    Mouse
    Logitech on KVM
    Internet Speed
    30 - 40 down, 4 up
    Browser
    Usually Chrome, Edge On insider Preview
    Antivirus
    Defender
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    3'rd system is a Kodlux mini that is 11 capable, running W10 pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
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    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel i5-7600
    Motherboard
    Asus H270-Plus
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    System
    Sound Card
    System
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus 27 inch on KVM
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    SPCC 120 GB SSD, 1TB and 2TB WD Sata III
    PSU
    Thermaltech 500w
    Case
    Mid Tower
    Cooling
    fans
    Mouse
    Logitech on KVM
    Keyboard
    Logitech on KVM
    Internet Speed
    30 - 40 down, 4 up
    Browser
    Usually Chrome, occasionally Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows
    Other Info
    Also have 2 seldom used laptops: HP Pavilion 11M-AD113DX Laptop (W11 Capable), W10 Home, Dell Inspiron 13-5368 Laptop, W10 Home + Apple mini, circa 2012
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