Why Has No One Mentioned The Prospect Of Dumping Millions Of Incompatible Machines ?

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Microsoft is introducing Windows 11 with at the moment several prerequisites.

If these are still insisted upon on first public release of Windows 11 I forsee and it is only me estimating. a quarter of a billion machines will become useless after Windows 10 support ends in 2025. This figure is based on the fact that there is well over a billion users of Windows 10 around the world.

I assume most home users use their computers for email,web browsing and image editing and it is my opinion that Microsoft should have made their "prerequisites" only for people who want computers for gaming etc

At the moment from what I see on "tube" channels Windows 11 is just basically Windows 10 with a more modern facade and a few minor addons.

I did have a computer obsession and currently have eight running Windows 7 (unable to update to Windows 10) and four Windows 10 machines. All being old they only have basic early generation Intel CPU's. no secure boot or UEFI and I wouldn't want these features either..

This brings me to my main point of writing. If Microsoft is making many millions of computers obsolete ( unless the user switches to something like Linux) why isn't more being said about the disposal of the machines ?
 

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I'd imagine all the "environmental warriors" will be jostling in line to get a new win 11 computer.
 

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Actually, if look at the number of PCs sold since 2006 through Statista and Gartner sales estimates -- as I did in this June 28 blog post: Three-Quarters of PCs Sold Can't Run Windows 11 -- it's more like 3/4s of all machines, and something around 3.6B! Scary, scary.
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One does not have to upgrade to Windows 11. The devices running Windows 10 are not going to just stop working if not upgraded to Windows 11.
 

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I assume most home users use their computers for email,web browsing and image editing and it is my opinion that Microsoft should have made their "prerequisites" only for people who want computers for gaming etc
Well mostly only gamers buy the latest tech, so MS did pretty much just that.
People can use linux distro for a causal usage and it will run on 30 years old PC.
 

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I can't provide you a definitive answer -- but my guess is because most folks aren't going to worry seriously NOW about something 4 years down the road -- when they will have to decide whether to stick with Win10 or go buy a new Win11 PC.

As for disposing of them, the local county refuse company has a place to turn in used computer equipment which then goes to recyclers. I have regularly dropped off old tower PCs and worn out printers with them. We don't have curbside disposal services for these items -- you have to take them to the center yourself.
 

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it's more like 3/4s of all machines, and something around 3.6B! Scary, scary.
Actually in my household it's 100% of the machines that can't. My most recent model has secure boot and I've just flashed its TPM firmware to 2.0, but it still fails for only having a 6th gen i7. Its only chance is if MS relax the processor requirement by the release date.
 

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They want people to run Windows 11... probably just as much as they were pushing Windows 10 when it came out. I would guess that we will see them drop prerequisites as the official launch starts later this year, or shortly after that. I don't think it's anything to be too alarmed about.
 

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It is not the end of the world. Some people are still using Windows 7 I think... so let's just continue using Windows 10.
 

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If 100,000's of older machines are able (and with Ms's approval currently) to run W11 there's no way in a zillion years that these machines will be forced back to W10. The worst that will happen is that they just won't be updateable -- and who knows by late 2025 a "Windows 12" might be in future development. In technology 4 years is almost equivalent to a geological age.

In any case on Linux boxes the TPM emulator works perfectly so you can continue running W11 VM's. I think HYPER-V on Windows allows an emulated VM so running W11 as a VM on HYPER-V also looks a long term bet -- although that does exclude Windows 10 HOME users.

VM's have come a long way these days - on modern hardware it's possible to approach the performance of the OS running on bare metal -- extreme gamers might need though to look at the GPU's they need and pass thru the video rather than use one in the "Virtual Hardware".

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If these are still insisted upon on first public release of Windows 11 I forsee and it is only me estimating. a quarter of a billion machines will become useless after Windows 10 support ends in 2025. This figure is based on the fact that there is well over a billion users of Windows 10 around the world.

I assume most home users use their computers for email,web browsing and image editing and it is my opinion that Microsoft should have made their "prerequisites" only for people who want computers for gaming etc

I did have a computer obsession and currently have eight running Windows 7 (unable to update to Windows 10) and four Windows 10 machines. All being old they only have basic early generation Intel CPU's. no secure boot or UEFI and I wouldn't want these features either..
I have a problem with all three statements above.

As far as I know, a computer does not suddenly stop working and "become useless" once Microsoft stops "supporting" the OS. I have never "upgraded" an OS on any machine, currently my main working machine is Windows 10 and I have a laptop that runs Windows 7. My next laptop will probably run Windows 11 simply because that's what they will be selling it with. This Windows 11 install runs on a separate drive in my PC without any interference with my main system.

I don't know about "most home users", but personally I use the computer for work. I don't understand having several computers at home (which is why I am completely at a loss with the last above statement, why would anyone run 12 machines?) and I don't understand separating "work" and "home" computing - if I'm dong some work on my PC, do I really have to get another one to use a browser for things that are not work-related? I find that stupid.

As far as new hardware requirements - I don't see why the new OS has to be able to run on old hardware. There is absolutely no need to have the latest OS. If your computer is working, why bother tinkering with it? Sure, there are tech enthusiasts like the majority of people on this forum, but other than that (and that's a very small percentage of PC users), why would anyone care what kind of OS they have?

As far as environmental impact - I guess you should not be talking about that if you run 12 computers at home.
 

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W7 can boot via GPT and EFI ö you need CSM enabled in boot.
W10 can run a surprising amount of hardware -- check the forum (W10) runn W10 on really old hardware.
Ms isn't going to insist that zillions of people who have downloaded (encouraged by Ms) W11 even though the hardware isn't "ready yet" to switch back to W10 -- especially if they've been using W11 for a couple of years -- is's just not going to happen -- the worst that will happen is that they won't get any updates. For some people who never update their machines anyway until the hardware just breaks it's not a big deal.

Too much "Paranoia and Panic". If Ms wasn't interested in getting W11 out of the door to as many as possible it wouldn't have enabled W11 to install on machines that don't meet the "Official hardware" requirements.

Just enjoy W11 if you can run it, if not just stick to W10 - and wait until the furora settles down before buying new hardware --there's always later in the year "Black Friday" sales to come.

Added also many times --you can run VM's until the end of the Universe if you want. Virtual emulated TPM etc will pass the hardware requirements.

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Actually, if look at the number of PCs sold since 2006 through Statista and Gartner sales estimates -- as I did in this June 28 blog post: Three-Quarters of PCs Sold Can't Run Windows 11 -- it's more like 3/4s of all machines, and something around 3.6B! Scary, scary.
--Ed--

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Forget Gartner -- even years ago you were on to a winner if you took the exact opposite of their predictions. Not only am I amazed that they are still in business but that anybody even bothers to read or accept their usual outpourings of total Bovine Scatology.

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Forget Gartner -- even years ago you were on to a winner if you took the exact opposite of their predictions. Not only am I amazed that they are still in business but that anybody even bothers to read or accept their usual outpourings of total Bovine Scatology.

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Original poster here.

I admit that using 12 machines may be unusual for some people but I liked collecting them and use them for different purposes. In the case of the Windows 7 machines some are used for browsing adult sites, some solely for my music collection and never get connected to the Internet.Some for just general browsing. The four Windows 10 machines are used for banking,shopping etc. To me its interesting that the Windows 7 machines despite not having Windows Updates for 18 months have never experienced any signs of malware, but the Windows 10 ones have had issues with browser redirects etc which hopefully is now fixed. . The Windows 7 and 10 machines are connected to the Internet via different routers (ISP's) and i don't share USB sticks between the windows versions.

I can't think of buying a new machine, I dont want too. The last machine I purchased new was in 2008 and have no intention of buying a new one for the demands of Windows 11. It is true that I could in time take some of my old machines to the recycling centre but what would they recycle ? They would be of no use to anyone.
 

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Microsoft just wants to make more money for their hardware partners.
I cant think of any other reason.
I don't see anything wrong in it, every company wants to make profit for their investors.
 

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One does not have to upgrade to Windows 11. The devices running Windows 10 are not going to just stop working if not upgraded to Windows 11.

Don't give Microsoft any ideas.
 

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I just dumped an old Dell Inspiron 530S because it simply didn't have the things necessary to keep up on Win11. It was running the Win10 Pro Insider Preview Dev OS.
 

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