Why Has No One Mentioned The Prospect Of Dumping Millions Of Incompatible Machines ?


england66

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Microsoft is introducing Windows 11 with at the moment several prerequisites.

If these are still insisted upon on first public release of Windows 11 I forsee and it is only me estimating. a quarter of a billion machines will become useless after Windows 10 support ends in 2025. This figure is based on the fact that there is well over a billion users of Windows 10 around the world.

I assume most home users use their computers for email,web browsing and image editing and it is my opinion that Microsoft should have made their "prerequisites" only for people who want computers for gaming etc

At the moment from what I see on "tube" channels Windows 11 is just basically Windows 10 with a more modern facade and a few minor addons.

I did have a computer obsession and currently have eight running Windows 7 (unable to update to Windows 10) and four Windows 10 machines. All being old they only have basic early generation Intel CPU's. no secure boot or UEFI and I wouldn't want these features either..

This brings me to my main point of writing. If Microsoft is making many millions of computers obsolete ( unless the user switches to something like Linux) why isn't more being said about the disposal of the machines ?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
I'd imagine all the "environmental warriors" will be jostling in line to get a new win 11 computer.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 15 Inspiron 3511
    CPU
    i5 10th Gen
    Memory
    8 GB
    Hard Drives
    248GB NVME
    Antivirus
    McAfee (came with computer)
    Other Info
    This is my daughter's computer
Actually, if look at the number of PCs sold since 2006 through Statista and Gartner sales estimates -- as I did in this June 28 blog post: Three-Quarters of PCs Sold Can't Run Windows 11 -- it's more like 3/4s of all machines, and something around 3.6B! Scary, scary.
--Ed--
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo X380 Yoga
    CPU
    i7-8650U (8th Gen/Kaby Lake)
    Motherboard
    20LH000MUS (U3E1)
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 620
    Sound Card
    Integrated Conexant SmartAudio HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    FlexView Display
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 1 TB PCIe x3 NVMe SSD
    external 5TB Seagate USB-C attached HDD
    PSU
    Lenovo integrated 65W power brick
    Case
    Laptop
    Cooling
    Laptop
    Keyboard
    Integrated Lenovo ThinkPad keyboard
    Mouse
    touchscreen, touchpad
    Internet Speed
    GbE (Spectrum/Charter)
    Browser
    all of em
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Purchased early 2019 as Windows Insider test PC
One does not have to upgrade to Windows 11. The devices running Windows 10 are not going to just stop working if not upgraded to Windows 11.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Canary Channel
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec G156
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
    Motherboard
    AsusTeK Prime B360M-S
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Speptre HDMI 75Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVMe
    Mouse
    Logitek M185
    Keyboard
    Logitek K270
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
I assume most home users use their computers for email,web browsing and image editing and it is my opinion that Microsoft should have made their "prerequisites" only for people who want computers for gaming etc
Well mostly only gamers buy the latest tech, so MS did pretty much just that.
People can use linux distro for a causal usage and it will run on 30 years old PC.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 3600 & No fTPM (07/19)
    Motherboard
    MSI B450 TOMAHAWK 7C02v1E & IFX TPM (07/19)
    Memory
    4x 8GB ADATA XPG GAMMIX D10 DDR4 3200MHz CL16
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI Radeon RX 580 ARMOR 8G OC @48FPS (08/19)
    Sound Card
    Creative Sound Blaster Z (11/16)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" AOC G2460VQ6 (01/19)
    Screen Resolution
    1920×1080@75Hz & FreeSync (DisplayPort)
    Hard Drives
    ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro SSD 512GB (07/19)
    PSU
    Seasonic M12II-520 80 Plus Bronze (11/16)
    Case
    Lian Li PC-7NB & 3x Noctua NF-S12A FLX@700rpm (11/16)
    Cooling
    CPU Cooler Noctua NH-U12S@700rpm (07/19)
    Keyboard
    HP Wired Desktop 320K + Rabalux 76017 Parker (01/24)
    Mouse
    Logitech M330 Silent Plus (04/23)
    Internet Speed
    400/40 Mbps via RouterOS (05/21) & TCP Optimizer
    Browser
    Edge with Brave (No FB/Google) & Brave for YouTube & LibreWolf for FB
    Antivirus
    NoAV & Binisoft WFC & NextDNS
    Other Info
    Headphones: Sennheiser RS170 (09/10)
I can't provide you a definitive answer -- but my guess is because most folks aren't going to worry seriously NOW about something 4 years down the road -- when they will have to decide whether to stick with Win10 or go buy a new Win11 PC.

As for disposing of them, the local county refuse company has a place to turn in used computer equipment which then goes to recyclers. I have regularly dropped off old tower PCs and worn out printers with them. We don't have curbside disposal services for these items -- you have to take them to the center yourself.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Ryzen 5600X
    Motherboard
    ASRock Steel Legend
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GT 710
    Sound Card
    None
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23",24", 19" - flat panels
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1200
    Hard Drives
    None - only M.2 SATA and NVMe drives
    PSU
    750W
    Case
    Antec
    Cooling
    stock Wraith cooler
    Keyboard
    Corsair gaming
    Mouse
    Logitech M720
    Internet Speed
    1Gb
it's more like 3/4s of all machines, and something around 3.6B! Scary, scary.
Actually in my household it's 100% of the machines that can't. My most recent model has secure boot and I've just flashed its TPM firmware to 2.0, but it still fails for only having a 6th gen i7. Its only chance is if MS relax the processor requirement by the release date.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta, Dev and Canary, all as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, and the Insider Canary build as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Win11 Pro Insider Beta, Dev and Canary, all as native boot vhdx.


    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
They want people to run Windows 11... probably just as much as they were pushing Windows 10 when it came out. I would guess that we will see them drop prerequisites as the official launch starts later this year, or shortly after that. I don't think it's anything to be too alarmed about.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
It is not the end of the world. Some people are still using Windows 7 I think... so let's just continue using Windows 10.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
    Motherboard
    MSI MPG Gaming Edge Wifi (X570)
    Memory
    32GB Adata XPG DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS GTX 1070 8GB ROG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Main Boot Drive : 512GB Adata XPG RGB Gen3x4 NVMe M.2 SSD
    PSU
    EVGA 600 Watts Gold
    Case
    Deepcool Genome II
    Cooling
    Deepcool Fryzen
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    "Moderna"
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-4790K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Xtreme6 Z97
    Memory
    16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro
    Graphics card(s)
    MSI R9 290
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Ultrawide 34"
    Screen Resolution
    3440x1440
    Hard Drives
    Samsung M.2
    PSU
    Thermaltake 475 Watts 80 Bronze
    Case
    Thermaltake Commander I Snow Edition
    Cooling
    Deep Cool Archer Air Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Keyboard
    Armageddon MKA-5R RGB-Hornet
    Internet Speed
    1Gbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Moderna :)
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Hi there
If 100,000's of older machines are able (and with Ms's approval currently) to run W11 there's no way in a zillion years that these machines will be forced back to W10. The worst that will happen is that they just won't be updateable -- and who knows by late 2025 a "Windows 12" might be in future development. In technology 4 years is almost equivalent to a geological age.

In any case on Linux boxes the TPM emulator works perfectly so you can continue running W11 VM's. I think HYPER-V on Windows allows an emulated VM so running W11 as a VM on HYPER-V also looks a long term bet -- although that does exclude Windows 10 HOME users.

VM's have come a long way these days - on modern hardware it's possible to approach the performance of the OS running on bare metal -- extreme gamers might need though to look at the GPU's they need and pass thru the video rather than use one in the "Virtual Hardware".

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7
If these are still insisted upon on first public release of Windows 11 I forsee and it is only me estimating. a quarter of a billion machines will become useless after Windows 10 support ends in 2025. This figure is based on the fact that there is well over a billion users of Windows 10 around the world.

I assume most home users use their computers for email,web browsing and image editing and it is my opinion that Microsoft should have made their "prerequisites" only for people who want computers for gaming etc

I did have a computer obsession and currently have eight running Windows 7 (unable to update to Windows 10) and four Windows 10 machines. All being old they only have basic early generation Intel CPU's. no secure boot or UEFI and I wouldn't want these features either..
I have a problem with all three statements above.

As far as I know, a computer does not suddenly stop working and "become useless" once Microsoft stops "supporting" the OS. I have never "upgraded" an OS on any machine, currently my main working machine is Windows 10 and I have a laptop that runs Windows 7. My next laptop will probably run Windows 11 simply because that's what they will be selling it with. This Windows 11 install runs on a separate drive in my PC without any interference with my main system.

I don't know about "most home users", but personally I use the computer for work. I don't understand having several computers at home (which is why I am completely at a loss with the last above statement, why would anyone run 12 machines?) and I don't understand separating "work" and "home" computing - if I'm dong some work on my PC, do I really have to get another one to use a browser for things that are not work-related? I find that stupid.

As far as new hardware requirements - I don't see why the new OS has to be able to run on old hardware. There is absolutely no need to have the latest OS. If your computer is working, why bother tinkering with it? Sure, there are tech enthusiasts like the majority of people on this forum, but other than that (and that's a very small percentage of PC users), why would anyone care what kind of OS they have?

As far as environmental impact - I guess you should not be talking about that if you run 12 computers at home.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5-10600K
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix Z490-A Gaming
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce GTX 1650
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung U32J59x 32" 4K
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
Hi there
W7 can boot via GPT and EFI ö you need CSM enabled in boot.
W10 can run a surprising amount of hardware -- check the forum (W10) runn W10 on really old hardware.
Ms isn't going to insist that zillions of people who have downloaded (encouraged by Ms) W11 even though the hardware isn't "ready yet" to switch back to W10 -- especially if they've been using W11 for a couple of years -- is's just not going to happen -- the worst that will happen is that they won't get any updates. For some people who never update their machines anyway until the hardware just breaks it's not a big deal.

Too much "Paranoia and Panic". If Ms wasn't interested in getting W11 out of the door to as many as possible it wouldn't have enabled W11 to install on machines that don't meet the "Official hardware" requirements.

Just enjoy W11 if you can run it, if not just stick to W10 - and wait until the furora settles down before buying new hardware --there's always later in the year "Black Friday" sales to come.

Added also many times --you can run VM's until the end of the Universe if you want. Virtual emulated TPM etc will pass the hardware requirements.

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7
Actually, if look at the number of PCs sold since 2006 through Statista and Gartner sales estimates -- as I did in this June 28 blog post: Three-Quarters of PCs Sold Can't Run Windows 11 -- it's more like 3/4s of all machines, and something around 3.6B! Scary, scary.
--Ed--

Hi there
Forget Gartner -- even years ago you were on to a winner if you took the exact opposite of their predictions. Not only am I amazed that they are still in business but that anybody even bothers to read or accept their usual outpourings of total Bovine Scatology.

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7
Hi there
Forget Gartner -- even years ago you were on to a winner if you took the exact opposite of their predictions. Not only am I amazed that they are still in business but that anybody even bothers to read or accept their usual outpourings of total Bovine Scatology.

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
Original poster here.

I admit that using 12 machines may be unusual for some people but I liked collecting them and use them for different purposes. In the case of the Windows 7 machines some are used for browsing adult sites, some solely for my music collection and never get connected to the Internet.Some for just general browsing. The four Windows 10 machines are used for banking,shopping etc. To me its interesting that the Windows 7 machines despite not having Windows Updates for 18 months have never experienced any signs of malware, but the Windows 10 ones have had issues with browser redirects etc which hopefully is now fixed. . The Windows 7 and 10 machines are connected to the Internet via different routers (ISP's) and i don't share USB sticks between the windows versions.

I can't think of buying a new machine, I dont want too. The last machine I purchased new was in 2008 and have no intention of buying a new one for the demands of Windows 11. It is true that I could in time take some of my old machines to the recycling centre but what would they recycle ? They would be of no use to anyone.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
Microsoft just wants to make more money for their hardware partners.
I cant think of any other reason.
I don't see anything wrong in it, every company wants to make profit for their investors.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home(22631.3155)23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Swift SFG14-72
    CPU
    i7-155h
    Motherboard
    Coral_MTH
    Memory
    LPDDR5X 32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SamsungATNA40YK 11-0
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800
    Hard Drives
    1TB NVMe Gen 4 M.2 SSD
    Keyboard
    Generic
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 11Home(26058.1400)24H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Predator Triton PT516-51S
    CPU
    i7-11800H
    Motherboard
    Countryman_TLS
    Memory
    16GB DDR4 3200 MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    RTX 3070
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NE160QDM-NY1
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1600
    Hard Drives
    WD PC SN810 512GB
    Browser
    Edge, Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
One does not have to upgrade to Windows 11. The devices running Windows 10 are not going to just stop working if not upgraded to Windows 11.

Don't give Microsoft any ideas.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Home
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
I just dumped an old Dell Inspiron 530S because it simply didn't have the things necessary to keep up on Win11. It was running the Win10 Pro Insider Preview Dev OS.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro RTM
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
    Memory
    12GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA, using a DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dell
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 2TB WDC HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security
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