Win 11 Pro, hidden partitions moved - badly?


GracieAllen

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I needed to add some space to the C (system) drive. Took empty space from the other end of the device, moved all the partitions over and then hit an unnamed partition that was 16MB and said it was full. Neither MiniTool Partition Wizard, nor EaseUS Partition Manager would let me move it. BUT, I could COPY it. So, I copied it to the end of the new free space.
Then I moved the other 2 "unnamed" partitions - one was NTFS, 580 MB and said "healthy recovery partition", and the other was FAT32, 337MB and said "EFI system partition". BUT, the little 16MB partition I moved says 16MB RAW "healthy data partition" in Windows and "unformatted" in the other partition managers.

Is what BELONGS in that 16MB partition ANYTHING I need to care about? The system boots. SHOULD it be RAW? Do I need to format it and put some kind of data in there?
 

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From what I have read on the net, it is best left well alone
 

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That's the MSR (Microsoft Reserved) Partition, best not to be fooling around with that
 

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I needed to add some space to the C (system) drive. Took empty space from the other end of the device, moved all the partitions over and then hit an unnamed partition that was 16MB and said it was full. Neither MiniTool Partition Wizard, nor EaseUS Partition Manager would let me move it. BUT, I could COPY it. So, I copied it to the end of the new free space.
Then I moved the other 2 "unnamed" partitions - one was NTFS, 580 MB and said "healthy recovery partition", and the other was FAT32, 337MB and said "EFI system partition". BUT, the little 16MB partition I moved says 16MB RAW "healthy data partition" in Windows and "unformatted" in the other partition managers.

Is what BELONGS in that 16MB partition ANYTHING I need to care about? The system boots. SHOULD it be RAW? Do I need to format it and put some kind of data in there?
That partition is the MicroSoft Reserved partition. It is allegedly for future use but nobody has ever determined what that will be. It has absolutely no functionality at the moment, and it does not affect anything if it is there or not.

It is too small to be important in saving space. So just ignore it.
 

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See this comprehensive article - MS Reserved Partition

EDIT: Have updated for the correct partition!
 
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The System Reserved Partition (SRP) and the MS Reserved Partition (MSR) are two completely different animals.
 

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And what is really interesting about the Microsoft System Reserved (MSR) partition:
If you have an MBR disk, and you use Microsoft's own tool mbr2gpt.exe, it will convert the disk to GPT but it will NOT create an MSR partition! So not even Microsoft thought it was important enough to include it in their own tool!
 

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As far as "not doing anything" that ship has sailed. It was, because I couldn't move it, preventing me from adding space to the system disk.

It sounds like the majority response was to ignore it. Unfortunately, since it wasn't formatted it cause all the system backups to fail. So, now it's been formatted as FAT, and the formatting flushed whatever was in there.

I don't care as long as the system boots, which it did when the thing was RAW, so hopefully it'll continue to boot.
 

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As far as "not doing anything" that ship has sailed. It was, because I couldn't move it, preventing me from adding space to the system disk.

It sounds like the majority response was to ignore it. Unfortunately, since it wasn't formatted it cause all the system backups to fail. So, now it's been formatted as FAT, and the formatting flushed whatever was in there.

I don't care as long as the system boots, which it did when the thing was RAW, so hopefully it'll continue to boot.
Just delete the partition altogether and be done with it!
 

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And what is really interesting about the Microsoft System Reserved (MSR) partition:
If you have an MBR disk, and you use Microsoft's own tool mbr2gpt.exe, it will convert the disk to GPT but it will NOT create an MSR partition! So not even Microsoft thought it was important enough to include it in their own tool!
In part I think that is due to the constraint that you can only convert mbr to gpt if there are only three primary partitions (it has to create the efi first). But the point is well made.

I think everybody knows in MS development that this partition is pointless but nobody has the fluffy bits to challenge it (I really reckon there is a fear factor in MS for stepping out of line - resistance is futile).

But in the end, as you say just delete it.

What really makes me laugh is you can easily create it. Somebody went to effort of programming diskpart to create a pointless partition.

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GracieAllen

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I'm confused again... Cereberus, are you answering the question I originally asked, or something else?

It looks like the consensus has moved from ignore it to delete it... Long as the system will boot, I'll happily delete it.
 

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I'm confused again... Cereberus, are you answering the question I originally asked, or something else?

It looks like the consensus has moved from ignore it to delete it... Long as the system will boot, I'll happily delete it.
Well, when a user uses the Microsoft tool mbr2gpt in order to convert a disk to GPT and boot it in UEFI mode, Microsoft does not create the MSR partition....to me, that is evidence enough that Microsoft themselves do not consider it to be necessary to be on the disk.
 

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I'm confused again... Cereberus, are you answering the question I originally asked, or something else?

It looks like the consensus has moved from ignore it to delete it... Long as the system will boot, I'll happily delete it.
I was replying to @NavyLCDR post really, but was pointing out it can be reinstated if MS ever decide to make use of it, making it even safer to delete.
 

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    Integrated Intel Iris XE
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    Realtek built in
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    1920x1080
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