Windows 11 25H2 Update


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Just a little article on the upcoming fall 25H2 update. Seems it will be much less dramatic then the 24H2 preview as it will focus on stability and new features vs recoding and significant architectural changes.

cyberpress.org

Windows 11 25H2 Update Expected to Bring Minor Changes

However, leaks and code references strongly indicate that 25H2 will be a much smaller release than the feature-packed 24H2 update.
cyberpress.org cyberpress.org
 

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It promises to get rid of the pathetically awful and pointless recommended section in the start menu. We can dream.......
 

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cereberus said:
It promises to get rid of the pathetically awful and pointless recommended section in the start menu. We can dream.......
Click to expand...
I'm already trying out the new 25H2 Start menu on the latest beta build. The recommended section is indeed gone. The all apps section is now below your pinned items so everything is on the front menu.
 

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FrancoDT said:
I'm already trying out the new 25H2 Start menu on the latest beta build. The recommended section is indeed gone. The all apps section is now below your pinned items so everything is on the front menu.
Click to expand...

Thanks - so presumably it is scrollable now?
 

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I like how the image in the link has references to 30H1 version! 🤔
 

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Those "big" updates are getting less and less "dramatic" if one keeps up with regular updates.
 

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BrianInEngland said:
I like how the image in the link has references to 30H1 version! 🤔
Click to expand...
Probably just a placeholder for what comes after 25H2. We typically do that and use “vNext” instead of something specific.
 

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cereberus said:
Thanks - so presumably it is scrollable now?
Click to expand...
Correct, all one scrollable page now. You have three options on how to display the all apps below your pinned apps now.
 

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pseymour said:
Probably just a placeholder for what comes after 25H2. We typically do that and use “vNext” instead of something specific.
Click to expand...
Same as "vNext", because AppCompat rules are expressed as:

DEST_OS_LT >Target OS >= DEST_OS_GTE

When 2030 rolls around, is MS in trouble! :D
 

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cereberus said:
Thanks - so presumably it is scrollable now?
Click to expand...
I am not sure about this first one though, but the 2 other options are OK.

newmenu.webpmenu2.webp

The final one is a scrollable list.
menu3.webp
 

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    Intel Iris Plus Graphics
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I updated to Beta and run vivetool but cannot get new menu.
What exact build do I need to be on?
 

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    I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB soldered
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
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    laptop OLED screen
    Screen Resolution
    2880x1800 touchscreen
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
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    Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
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    Yep, got one
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    Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
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    Built in UK keybd
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
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    900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
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    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
cereberus said:
I updated to Beta and run vivetool but cannot get new menu.
What exact build do I need to be on?
Click to expand...
It first appeared around 3863 I believe, we are on 26120.3941 currently. Have you tired these two vivetool codes? vivetool /enable /id:49402389,49453572
 

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    Alienware
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    32GB DDR4
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    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 and Intel UHD Graphics
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    Realtek ALC3281-CG
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    17"
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    3840x2160
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    Micron 2300 NVMe 1TB
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    Logitech MX Master 3
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    60mbps
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    Vivaldi and Firefox
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    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
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    Microsoft Surface Laptop 3
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    Intel Core i7-1065G7 (Ice Lake)
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    Microsoft Corp.
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    16GB DDR4
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    Intel Iris Plus Graphics
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic Speakers with Dolby Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.5” PixelSense Touchscreen Display
    Screen Resolution
    2256x1504
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba Memory 512GB
    Mouse
    Surface Arc Mouse
    Internet Speed
    60 mbps
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    Vivaldi and Firefox
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    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
Also to enable the new start menu companion you will need: vivetool /enable /id:55495322,49381526,49820095
 

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    Alienware
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    32GB DDR4
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    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 and Intel UHD Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3281-CG
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    17"
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
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    Micron 2300 NVMe 1TB
    PC SN530 NVMe WDC 512GB
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    Logitech MX Master 3
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    60mbps
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    Vivaldi and Firefox
    Antivirus
    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
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    Microsoft Surface Laptop 3
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    Intel Core i7-1065G7 (Ice Lake)
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    Microsoft Corp.
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    16GB DDR4
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    Intel Iris Plus Graphics
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic Speakers with Dolby Audio
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    13.5” PixelSense Touchscreen Display
    Screen Resolution
    2256x1504
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba Memory 512GB
    Mouse
    Surface Arc Mouse
    Internet Speed
    60 mbps
    Browser
    Vivaldi and Firefox
    Antivirus
    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
cereberus said:
I updated to Beta and run vivetool but cannot get new menu.
What exact build do I need to be on?
Click to expand...
Also you may need the new all apps listings enabled first which I thought was automatic when you enabled the 25H2 menu but just incase here are those: vivetool /enable /id:48433719,47205210,49221331
 

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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware M17 R3
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10750H (Comet Lake)
    Motherboard
    Alienware
    Memory
    32GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 and Intel UHD Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3281-CG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Micron 2300 NVMe 1TB
    PC SN530 NVMe WDC 512GB
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    60mbps
    Browser
    Vivaldi and Firefox
    Antivirus
    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
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    Windows 11 24H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 3
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-1065G7 (Ice Lake)
    Motherboard
    Microsoft Corp.
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus Graphics
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic Speakers with Dolby Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.5” PixelSense Touchscreen Display
    Screen Resolution
    2256x1504
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba Memory 512GB
    Mouse
    Surface Arc Mouse
    Internet Speed
    60 mbps
    Browser
    Vivaldi and Firefox
    Antivirus
    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
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