After I set up Hotmail passkeys can I still use the password to log in?


How does that make an account with BOTH secure?
One must realize that there is no such thing as absolutely, totally, 100% secure. There is only the most secure we can make things. Passkeys are more secure than passwords. And that is a fact.
 

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Passkeys are more secure than passwords. And that is a fact.
I will always choose security over convenience, ALWAYS and a passkey is not it. 🤷‍♂️

Security Triangle.webp

If it is convenient, it is not secure, it is as simple as that. Passkey is meant to be simpler, not safer. It is a password without 2FA.
 

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I would prefer to use 2FA every single time, sadly passkey mitigates that and it enforces the "secure" session, which can be stolen.
I agree, absolutely. However, which is more easily hacked, a password or a passkey? From my research, a passkey is more secure. Until that changes, it costs me nothing to add passkeys to all my sites that have them. As always, Your Mileage May Vary! ;-)
 

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Agreed. But how secure is an account that has both a passkey AND a password?
You can only use one of them at a time. Use whichever one you like. ;-)
 

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You can only use one of them at a time. Use whichever one you like. ;-)
So how does adding a passkey to an account make it more secure if a password is left as an alternative?

(I'm not really expecting you to answer this question, as you haven't answered my last two!)
 

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So how does adding a passkey to an account make it more secure if a password is left as an alternative?

(I'm not really expecting you to answer this question, as you haven't answered my last two!)
You're asking how the account itself is more secure? Obviously, it isn't if the site itself is hacked.

The security in using a passkey is that there is no password being passed and there is nothing for a hacker to hack during the login process.

I can only tell you what I know from my own research. What does your research tell you?
 

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You're asking how the account itself is more secure?
Yes.

Obviously, it isn't if the site itself is hacked.
A server only stores the public key of a passkey, which is useless to attackers.

The security in using a passkey is that there is no password being passed and there is nothing for a hacker to hack during the login process.
The main advantages are that a passkey cannot be used on a phishing site or from foreign devices.

I can only tell you what I know from my own research. What does your research tell you?
That adding a passkey to an account is pointless* unless the password is removed.

(* for security, not convenience)
 

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Which part(s) of my "belief" do you disagree with?
As soon as I typed that, I deleted it, but apparently not fast enough! :D
 

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I think that Microsoft got it right by allowing your Microsoft Account to be passwordless! I deleted my Microsoft Account password some time ago. And I've added a passkey.
 

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Passkeys were designed to be safer, and happen also to be simpler by including two factors in one step.
I could not have said it better, it turned 2FA into 1FA, thus less safe. (y)
Apparently, an already verified device is safe 4ever, it can not be hacked nor stolen.
 
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Passkeys always have two factors.
Only during the initial setup, then they are safe forever, to the end of days. :lmao:
A hacked or stolen device is protected by the passkey second factor.
You type 4 digit PIN on Windows and you have access to all passkeys without any verification.
I hate that, but it can not be disabled, it is by design. Retyping the same PIN is supposedly 2FA.
 

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    AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (07/24)
    Motherboard
    ASROCK B650M-HDV/M.2 (07/24) BIOS 4.21 AGESA ComboAM5 1.3.0.1 (04/26)
    Memory
    2x32GB Kingston FURY DDR5 5600 MHz CL36 @5200 CL36 (07/24)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASROCK Radeon RX 6600 Challenger D 8G @48FPS (08/24)
    Sound Card
    Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5 Plus (05/24)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Philips 24M1N3200ZS/00 (05/24)
    Screen Resolution
    1920×1080@165Hz via DP1.4
    Hard Drives
    Kingston KC3000 NVMe 2TB (05/24)
    ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro 512GB (07/19)
    PSU
    Seasonic Core GM 550 Gold (04/24)
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7 Mini with 3x Noctua NF-P14s/12@555rpm (04/24)
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-U12S with Noctua NF-P12 (04/24)
    Keyboard
    HP Pavilion Wired Keyboard 300 (07/24) + Rabalux 76017 Parker (01/24)
    Mouse
    Logitech M330 Silent Plus (01/26)
    Internet Speed
    500/100 Mbps via RouterOS (05/21) & TCP Optimizer
    Browser
    Edge, Brave for YouTube, LibreWolf for FB
    Antivirus
    NextDNS blocking 1/3 Traffic
    Other Info
    Phone: Motorola Moto G86 (02/26)
    Backup: Hasleo Backup Suite (PreOS)
    Headphones: Sennheiser RS170 (09/10)
    Chair: Huzaro Force 4.4 Grey Mesh (05/24)
    Notifier: Xiaomi Mi Band 9 Milanese (10/24)
    FlexCore USB-C 3.2 Gen 1 (M) to LAN (F) (08/25)
Only during the initial setup, then they are safe forever, to the end of days. :lmao:

You type 4 digit PIN on Windows and you have access to all passkeys without any verification.
I hate that, but it can not be disabled, it is by design. Retyping the same PIN is supposedly 2FA.
You don't have to be relegated to a 4-digit PIN if you don't want. I changed my PIN to be alphanumeric. Then I changed my PIN to be a 23-character alphanumeric passphrase.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 DA16260
    CPU
    Intel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H
    Memory
    64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" 3.2K Tandem OLED Infinity Edge
    Screen Resolution
    3200 x 2000 16:10 236 PPI
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    NPU delivering 67 TOPS
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft Sysinternals Suite
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Snapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NPU delivering 45 TOPS
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/s
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Adreno GPU
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.8″ PixelSense Flow touchscreen 120 Hz 600 NIT
    Screen Resolution
    2304 × 1536 (201 PPI), 3:2 aspect ratio
    Hard Drives
    1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription (Office)
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio 2026
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Microsoft Sysinternals
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
Only during the initial setup, then they are safe forever, to the end of days. :lmao:
Not true. Every use of a passkey involves two factors.

You type 4 digit PIN on Windows and you have access to all passkeys without any verification.
I hate that, but it can not be disabled, it is by design. Retyping the same PIN is supposedly 2FA.
The PIN can be up to 127 characters if you wish, and could include any alphanumeric characters:

Change Maximum Windows Hello PIN Length in Windows 11

But trying all 10,000 combinations of a 4-digit PIN (at 32 attempts every 320 minutes) would take 70 days of continuous uptime (due to TPM anti-hammering). For 1,000,000 combinations of a 6-digit PIN it would take 19 years of continuous uptime. 16 alphanumeric characters would take 906 trillion trillion years!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
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