Solved Another reason I detest Microsoft accounts lately

Scannerman · Dec 10, 2025

XxXxX said:
i use a password and an authenticator in my browser
so my MS account is 2FA

if that is not enough for MS then i will just delete and shut the account down.

best of luck Steve ..

That works well for the browser but it is browser specific. If you were to say attempt to make an online purchase this may not be adequate. I recall having to jump through 4 hoops for authentication on one account 1) E mail, 2) Voice mail 3) Graphical (count the cross walks) 4) password. This is insane. Personally, I don't use password savers. When I open my email I have to type in my pw every time and that is a personal choice that I don't mind employing. Changing my pass word and noting it in my little black book every now and then is also a thing I do BUT often, for some reason, every now and then, some stupid server fails to remember that I changed my password. I date the day I change it too, so I know I'm not the one who's "losing it" here. This is enough cause for me to never, never, never use a password saver. GOOGLE has screwed me over more times than I care to recall this way and GOOGLE doesn't do voice mail anymore. They expect everyone to have a cell phone. To be fair my entertainment centre uses a pass key and I've never had an issue with it. Gotta give Microsoft credit when they do something right. I let the girls use it. That old Acer PC could explode and I wouldn't lose much. I put it together with recycled parts and did a factory reset on the hard drive. Only Microsoft knows who it used to belong to. lol

Edwin said:
To be honest, I see it all as nothing more than a foolish trend..., much like AI is.

I like this but . . . Considering the 100s of BILLIONS of dollars spent on AI it isn't likely just a trend. Foolish, yes. Trend? I can only wish.

TraderGary · Dec 10, 2025

I couldn't even imagine the hassle and inconvenience of trying to get along in the world I live in without my smart phone. :eyeroll:

Scannerman · Dec 10, 2025

TraderGary said:
I couldn't even imagine the hassle and inconvenience of trying to get along in the world I live in without my smart phone.

It's a personal choice. I realize some folks couldn't even use a cell if they wanted to given their geographic location. My reasons are more in line with those of Edward Snowden. I realize that I likely represent the last of my kind and I'm okay with that. I do have a land line. If anyone wants me they know where to find me and if I'm not home I likely will be at some point. My vehicles don't have GPS either. I made sure of it.

suatcini54 · Dec 10, 2025

hsehestedt said:
I have a need to change passwords for several MS accounts after a clean install, but at the moment it is impossible to even do this simple task:

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At least according to Copilot, there are currently known issues. I guess that this just affirms my current process of always starting off with just a local user account and then using an MS account as a "hybrid" account.

I remember reading somewhere a couple of days ago that some Microsoft sites were impacted by CloudFlare outage but it should have been fine by now, I guess.

TraderGary · Dec 10, 2025

Scannerman said:
It's a personal choice. I realize some folks couldn't even use a cell if they wanted to given their geographic location. My reasons are more in line with those of Edward Snowden. I realize that I likely represent the last of my kind and I'm okay with that. I do have a land line. If anyone wants me they know where to find me and if I'm not home I likely will be at some point. My vehicles don't have GPS either. I made sure of it.

It makes me wonder why you even have computers and you're on the Internet.

kelper · Dec 10, 2025

Why not set up a new user with no password, but use a BIOS password? If you use sleep or hibernate, you will only be asked for it on booting. Set the power button to 'shutdown' for when the PC will be unattended. But I log in with a four-digit PIN and this is no bother.

Edwin · Dec 10, 2025

TraderGary said:
I couldn't even imagine the hassle and inconvenience of trying to get along in the world I live in without my smart phone.

Me neither, but, I hate the addictive dependence on the damn thing!
A necessary evil in today's day and age, I suppose.

I tried the 24 Hour Screenless challenge a while back..., couldn't do it!

Makes you wonder how our ancestors ever survived!

Winuser · Dec 10, 2025

FrancoDT said:
I'm like others and don't like NOT having that password as a fail safe. Plus I don't like the device dependency of having to have my phone. What if you misplace your phone?

Where I live I can't always depend on getting a strong enough cell signal. It has gotten better over the years. There was a time I would have to walk around in the park field until I got a signal.

Winuser · Dec 10, 2025

Edwin said:
Makes you wonder how our ancestors ever survived!

Same way we did. At our age we didn't have a cell phone for over half our lives.

cheaterslick · Dec 10, 2025

TraderGary said:
I couldn't even imagine the hassle and inconvenience of trying to get along in the world I live in without my smart phone.

Oh it can be done. Trust me, it can be done. lol...

TraderGary · Dec 10, 2025

cheaterslick said:
Oh it can be done. Trust me, it can be done. lol...

But would I want to do it. The answer is a resounding NO!

cheaterslick · Dec 10, 2025

TraderGary said:
But would I want to do it. The answer is a resounding NO!

Oh you do give up some convenience, no doubt about it. But only speaking for myself, the idea of having my life revolve 'my smartphone' really creeps me out. I don't like having to rely on just that at all.

But again, I'm only speaking for myself.

Edwin · Dec 10, 2025

cheaterslick said:
I'm only speaking for myself...

Me too...
I waste too much fecking time on my phone!!!
The kids are worse at it though!!!

TraderGary · Dec 10, 2025

Sometimes I'm out and about and don't have my System Two with me. Then I turn to my Pixel 9 Pro XL. I use Edge on it, and I can work with this forum surprisingly effectively. I can search and use OneNote and OneDrive effectively. It's a very capable and useful pocket computer and I wouldn't want to be without it.

cheaterslick · Dec 10, 2025

Edwin said:
Me too...
I waste too much fecking time on my phone!!!

I've had to use company-supplied smartphones in the past for my work. I know what a lure it can be. Not good for me at all.

Edwin said:
The kids are worse at it though!!!

And what's sad is what happens when the phone breaks or gets lost. What then.

"mommmieeeeeee......whaaaaa.......whaaaaa.......whaaaa......!!!" -

I think a lot of kids today don't have the manual skills older generations had to grow up with. That they are addicted to convenience and having it easy and don't know what to do with themselves in an emergency when the phone goes down. I think a lot of adults are the same way, too.

~

PS: I'm not pointing fingers at anybody here. I'm just speaking out in general terms. Don't take it personal.

Scannerman · Dec 10, 2025

TraderGary said:
It makes me wonder why you even have computers and you're on the Internet.

Sometimes I wonder myself. I enjoy PC building. I'm isolated so the internet makes for a good shopping tool. I'm an advocate of liberty and autonomy. The idea of being monitored wherever I go, like some kind of tagged animal, disturbs me. I watch people on cell phones and from the days of the brick I've seen how they are being manipulated by their phones. It really is a Trade off, Gary.

When I leave my home to be alone I can actually be alone. I can go fishing and truly be alone in the wilderness. Most folks would probably feel insecure, but not me. I feel at peace. GPS can't track me. No annoying phone calls to disturb my peace. When I go on a road trip I'm focused. When I dine in a restaurant I actually get to appreciate my meal. My family genuinely communicates with eye contact. These are just some of the perks.

I enjoy owning and using a PC. I just don't enjoy being owned by tech. There is a difference.

KevTech · Dec 10, 2025

No cell phone here either just home phone through Ooma.
If I am not home they can leave a message and if they do not leave a message then it was not even important in the first place.
Once you give up your privacy you can not get it back.

TraderGary · Dec 10, 2025

KevTech said:
No cell phone here either just home phone through Ooma.
If I am not home they can leave a message and if they do not leave a message then it was not even important in the first place.
Once you give up your privacy you can not get it back.

Your computer is on the Internet. You've already given up your privacy! :wink:

cheaterslick · Dec 10, 2025

Scannerman said:
I enjoy owning and using a PC. I just don't enjoy being owned by tech. There is a difference.

Spot on!

~

Yeah, being on the internet, you do give up some privacy. But my life doesn't have to be an open book, either.

Companies my get my information anyway, but they're gonna have to work for it. I'm not gonna bend over and hand it to them on a silver platter.

KevTech · Dec 10, 2025

TraderGary said:
Your computer is on the Internet. You've already given up your privacy!

Maybe a little but when you use privacy focused DNS you negate most of that.

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