Solved CAT 7 or CAT 8?

antspants · Oct 20, 2023

Almighty1 said:
I agree with the Powerline adapters having poor performance and it's more expensive than buying the wiring so you can change it out if it doesn't meet the speeds. I don't use your everyday CAT5 or whatever cables but Belden MediaTwist 1872A which I bought in I think 1999 in a 500ft or 1000ft spool. When I bought it, it was labeled as being able to handle gigabit and CAT 5 but the same cable is now CAT 6+:

Category 6 Cable - 1872A

www.belden.com

It's also not round but crescent shaped so you need a special stripping tool to prepare the cable and it's also marketed as multimedia.

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@antspants - I have heard that Australia has like dangerous and poisonous things like spiders but snakes too?!?!

On my property I have snakes everywhere, some of the most dangerous in the world. 2 weeks ago, as I was sitting where I am now, outside typing away on this forum, an Eastern Brown snake (knowingly deadly) quietly slithered its way to about 24” from my feet. I thought it was leaves blowing across the stones. I looked up just in time to crap my pants and head inside. At the same time, it was startled and thankfully slithered the other way.

Like I said, I have snakes everywhere. In the garage sometimes. All over the place. I even have one that lives by my mailbox and one in my front stairs.

But yes, like I always say “Australia, where everything can kill you and something probably will”

My little green friends here, passive usually, but the Green Tree snake actually has potent poison. People underestimate them.

My mailbox.

Flashorn · Oct 20, 2023

hsehestedt said:
Many 2.5 Gbps Ethernet adapters / switches / routers / access points are fine with cat 5e at that speed but some may suggest cat 6.

So, is this the one you're talking about. I know next to nothing about networking. I try to keep it as simple as I can:
The BT is off because the BT keyboard is turned off.

Just received my new cable. It's a Cat 7 flat cable and is installed. The little clip that snaps in the socket at the
notebooks RJ connector was broken so, not just a feel good replacement but a needed one.

antspants · Oct 20, 2023

Flashorn said:
So, is this the one you're talking about. I know next to nothing about networking. I try to keep it as simple as I can:
The BT is off because the BT keyboard is turned off.

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Just received my new cable. It's a Cat 7 flat cable and is installed. The little clip that snaps in the socket at the
notebooks RJ connector was broken so, not just a feel good replacement but a needed one.

So are you connected directly to your router? Because if you’re plugging a cat7 into a wall socket that has a 5e cat cable running to the router, I have some bad news.

Flashorn · Oct 20, 2023

antspants said:
I have some bad news

I can deal with that.

Yes, directly from the horses mouth. It's on my desk to the right of me.
Always have been.

antspants · Oct 20, 2023

Flashorn said:
I can deal with that.

Yes, directly from the horses mouth. It's on my desk to the right of me.
Always have been.

Perfect.

Flashorn · Oct 20, 2023

antspants said:
Perfect.

Those snakes!!!
Did I ever tell you how much I like Winter?

How beautiful is that ? Not long now.

antspants · Oct 20, 2023

Flashorn said:
Those snakes!!!
Did I ever tell you how much I like Winter?

How beautiful is that ? Not long now.

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Yes you have, not sure if I replied. I also LOVE winter and much prefer it to Australian summers when it can be a most uncomfortable, often upward of 40 deg Celsius (104 Fahrenheit)
Some reasons why I love winter;
- It’s easier to warm up than it is to cool down
- Mens fashion; In summers here, you have shorts and shirts, in winter, you can go all out with fantastic pants/tops/wonderful jackets and scarfs. maybe a little Kajal for that Bollywood look lol (I like to dress up

)
That’s all lol

My wife, the Canadian, came to Australia because of the ridiculous, and I mean ridiculous, temperatures Canada can drop to below zero. Crazy stuff. But the snow, I would love the snow.

Flashorn · Oct 20, 2023

antspants said:
ridiculous, temperatures Canada can drop to below zero

Yes but, we have good clothing for that. You can hardly feel the cold in a Canada Goose parka:

https://www.canadagoose.com/ca/en/snow-mantra-parka-9501M.html?user=true

Mine is a Snow Goose with a full Gor Tex lining which is / was the parent company of Canada Goose and primarily aimed at
the Armed Forces. I bought it back in 89 and it is still the warmest to date. I don't think I'd like to pay the price they go for today
though.

antspants · Oct 20, 2023

Flashorn said:
Yes but, we have good clothing for that. You can hardly feel the cold in a Canada Goose parka:

https://www.canadagoose.com/ca/en/snow-mantra-parka-9501M.html?user=true

Mine is a Snow Goose with a full Gor Tex lining which is / was the parent company of Canada Goose and primarily aimed at
the Armed Forces. I bought it back in 89 and it is still the warmest to date. I don't think I'd like to pay the price they go for today
though.

I could wear that quite easily.

johnlgalt · Oct 21, 2023

antspants said:
Yeah, I’m cool with 5e, I just can’t remember what I bought and can’t find the receipt in my household expenses files. I bought a spool of 1000 meters from a friend but 14 years ago, it could of been Cat5. I have to call the guy that helped me and signed off on it (laws here require a professional electrician)

It should be printed on the cables themselves, if you can access them at any point.

antspants said:
But yeah, you need a pro here in Australia for anything electrical related,

Even low voltage?

That is pure rubbish. There is absolutely no reason that should be a requirement for Ethernet.

Sometimes I just don't get why governments inflict this kind of nonsense on the people.

Almighty1 · Oct 21, 2023

antspants said:
Like I said, I have snakes everywhere. In the garage sometimes. All over the place. I even have one that lives by my mailbox and one in my front stairs.

But yes, like I always say “Australia, where everything can kill you and something probably will”

Wow, does Australia Post actually deliver the mail without problems? I guess, if you are still alive and it doesn't kill you, it will make you stronger! like the saying goes.

antspants · Oct 21, 2023

Almighty1 said:
Wow, does Australia Post actually deliver the mail without problems?

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Australia Post. They’d be lucky if they could find a post box let alone actually deliver mail.

Almighty1 said:
I guess, if you are still alive and it doesn't kill you, it will make you stronger! like the saying goes.

In my lifetime, people have tried.

antspants · Oct 21, 2023

johnlgalt said:
It should be printed on the cables themselves, if you can access them at any point.

Even low voltage?

That is pure rubbish. There is absolutely no reason that should be a requirement for Ethernet.

Sometimes I just don't get why governments inflict this kind of nonsense on the people.

I can install low voltage lighting etc, 12v. But I can’t legally install any type of cabling in wall cavities, ceilings, under floorboards. I suppose it might have something to do with existing electrical cables and safety. But yeah, all Govt’s suck regardless. And I mean All.

johnlgalt · Oct 21, 2023

Non PoE is lower than that (for the most part - I did find some reference to really old standards that had a peak of 13V, but for the most part it was around 2.5V) lol. And the cables are shielded, you're not running CatX to connect to power lines of any type.

PoE, though, does have ~44V, IIRC, on the lines, but that is it.

So, yeah, that regulation of a homeowner not being able to run their own Ethernet in walls is bogus.

antspants · Oct 21, 2023

johnlgalt said:
Non PoE is lower than that (for the most part - I did find some reference to really old standards that had a peak of 13V, but for the most part it was around 2.5V) lol. And the cables are shielded, you're not running CatX to connect to power lines of any type.

PoE, though, does have ~44V, IIRC, on the lines, but that is it.

So, yeah, that regulation of a homeowner not being able to run their own Ethernet in walls is bogus.

Because wall cavities have electrical wiring running through them, regardless that Cat cables are insulated. If a novice was to snag and pull on an electrical wire, this without doubt could cause catastrophic issues.
The Govt here has done things in the past to protect the home owner from insurance companies that like to take us for a ride. Making it very clear that for a novice to go passing cables up through a wall is something that they can not stop an insurance company from denying a claim for.
If a faulty light switch has caused a house fire, and it is proven that a home owner passed CAT cabling up past or anywhere near that switch, it would be fair for the insurance company to say “You probably caused this”
Yes, it’s bogus, yes, all Govt’s suck. But not as much as insurance companies do.

johnlgalt · Oct 22, 2023

antspants said:
The Govt here has done things in the past to protect the home owner from insurance companies that like to take us for a ride. Making it very clear that for a novice to go passing cables up through a wall is something that they can not stop an insurance company from denying a claim for.

That makes much more sense lol. I will heartily walk back my comments on this being stupid, dumb, or whatever I first intended, because, yeah, insurance companies are the worst.

MisterEd · Oct 22, 2023

It is naive to think that the government always has your best interest in mind. Don't forget the government unlike private companies can arrest you and put you in jail if you don't do what they say.

johnlgalt · Oct 22, 2023

It is naive to think the Insurance companies have your best interest in mind.

It is naive to think {insert any entity you don't trust here} has your best interest in mind.

Your point?

MisterEd · Oct 22, 2023

johnlgalt said:
It is naive to think the Insurance companies have your best interest in mind.

It is naive to think {insert any entity you don't trust here} has your best interest in mind.

Your point?

I was commenting on the following:

The Govt here has done things in the past to protect the home owner from insurance companies that like to take us for a ride. Making it very clear that for a novice to go passing cables up through a wall is something that they can not stop an insurance company from denying a claim for.

I was saying that it is naive to think that the government always protects us from insurance companies. We have no way of knowing what the governments interests are. For all we know the government is in bed with the insurance companies. In reality we have to look out for ourselves because we are the only ones that really care.

johnlgalt · Oct 22, 2023

He never said always, and no one should be inferring his statement of the Aus gov't doing this all the time, nor any of their policies, for always benefiting the people.

Sorry, but it is a moot point.

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