Changing from firmware TPM to discrete TPM


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So I am currently using firmware TPM and a little while back I purchased a TPM chip that plugs into my motherboard. If I plug the TPM into my board could it cause any issues? Do I just go into bios and change it from firmware to discrete? I am not using bitlocker or anything. I just want to make sure it doesn't mess something up. I made sure to buy the correct one for my asus motherboard. Everything looks like it should plug in correctly.
 
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I have done this myself, both fTPM to discrete and back again with no problems. Gigabyte X570.
 

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BrianInEngland said:
I have done this myself, both fTPM to discrete and back again with no problems. Gigabyte X570.
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Ok then I will install it next time I turn off my pc. So just boot into bios and change to discrete after I plug it into the board?
 

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What is the point of doing this?
 

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cereberus said:
What is the point of doing this?
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I thought having firmware TPM makes the processor do more work or am I wrong? If there is no point in doing it i won't bother but I was just inquiring.
 

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ryanlever said:
I thought having firmware TPM makes the processor do more work or am I wrong? If there is no point in doing it i won't bother but I was just inquiring.
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There is no need to do it; you are just adding another potential point of failure to your system.
 

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z3r010 said:
There is no need to do it; you are just adding another potential point of failure to your system.
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Ok thanks ya I won't bother
 

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z3r010 said:
There is no need to do it; you are just adding another potential point of failure to your system.
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I'm just about to change over to a discrete TPM module - I'm hoping to fix the well-documented AMD fTPM stutter that is still a problem (audio stutter, intermittent mouse pauses) despite supposed fixes via BIOS updates.

Also, my 5900X / X570 machine doesn't support attestation, due to missing EK certificates it seems. Less of an issue, but still not right.

I have the most recent firmware (BIOS) and chipset drivers installed but still have these issues, so I'll see what installing a dTPM does.
 

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Yearofthegoat said:
I'm hoping to fix the well-documented AMD fTPM stutter that is still a problem (audio stutter, intermittent mouse pauses) despite supposed fixes via BIOS updates.
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AMD fTPM will never get fixed, simply because fTPM is software, TPM is hardware, fTPM is a pretend TPM.
Buying a separate TPM was the best $10 ever spent. I do not have to update BIOS causing other issues.
 

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Well, it's installed and so far no stutter. It's always difficult or impossible to prove a negative, but so far so good.

I've run all my audio software and things like YT videos - no stutters or mouse hiccups.

And I have "Attestation: Ready" now.
 

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I should add that I bought am MS-4136-compatible NewHail TPM2.0 module. LPC 14Pin, Infineon SLB9665, firmware version 5.63.3353.0 dated 21st September 2016. Windows doesn't report a fault with the firmware like it reportedly does for modules with earlier firmware versions from 2013.
 

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TairikuOkami said:
AMD fTPM will never get fixed, simply because fTPM is software, TPM is hardware, fTPM is a pretend TPM.
Buying a separate TPM was the best $10 ever spent. I do not have to update BIOS causing other issues.
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The issue is fixed a long time ago, including USB issues...the problem is that people are ignorant and complain that their stuttering is still caused by fTPM. Not all MBs has gotten the firmware update though and never will, but that is not AMDs fault.

What is AMDs fault however is that many of their CPUs has internal issues. Another cause of the stutters is also that people overclock the infinity fabrik and that in turn causes issues within games and even on desktop completely random.
 

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I have bought TPM modules for three motherboards for AMD processors, and there was a slight modification to be made in the BIOS, after fitting the module, the fTPM can be deleted
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but I forget the exact details. At the time, I got advice from some of the forum guru's. You have to be very careful to get a module which has the exact pinout and is also compatible with the particular motherboard. You can check if the module is working in device manager and also in the security details.
 
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SlicEnDicE said:
The issue is fixed a long time ago, including USB issues...the problem is that people are ignorant and complain that their stuttering is still caused by fTPM.
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That's quite an insulting comment - and actually not at all correct. The issue is NOT fixed.

If you don't like my own first-hand experience, just check out the AMD Community pages, there are plenty of folks who have followed all the advice re. running stock settings, updating chipset drivers, applying BIOS updates etc. Just like me.

The only thing that fixed the stutter on my X570/5900X machine was to turn off fTPM and use a dTPM.
 

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Yearofthegoat said:
just check out the AMD Community pages, there are plenty of folks who have followed all the advice re. running stock settings, updating chipset drivers, applying BIOS updates etc.
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There are also plenty of folks with your exact setup without any issues on neither Windows 10 nor Windows 11. The underlaying issue must be somewhere else. fTPM going crazy can be caused by many things and disabling it may have worked for you as a bandage, but the underlaying issue is not solved.

It could be as simple as having a bad driver configuration. I had this issue on my laptop for instance. Went through about 25 different Radeon drivers and same amount of Chipset drivers, where some were stuttery, some did crash Windows with AMD-V enabled and some just were lacking or had dead configurations in Adrenaline software.

Also some MBs default configs are not AMD fail safe, which sux. Modern setups has so many settings that it's easy to get lost. One switch or number wrong and the system comes crawling down.

Even a simple thing as a bit unstable RAM may cause issues, not to the point it crash but causing a lot of stutters and slow downs. While this is not AMD related, there's this one Intel config that gladly runs one set of RAM at 6000MT/s while several other sets can't even do 4200MT/s even if they're rated higher as the well working RAM. Timings and voltages adjustment made no difference.


...just saying... 🤷
 

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I'm well aware that PC configurations are complex.

If I revert everything to stock and I disable fTPM = no stutter.
If I configure everything and disable fTPM = no stutter.

As soon as I enable fTPM the system stutters. This happens in Windows 10 and 11. This happens with unfixed BIOSes and with the one that is supposed to contain the fix. I've tried with and without USB peripherals, different graphics cards, audio cards, different mice and keyboards.

The only way to prevent the stuttering is to disable fTPM, or as I've now found, use a dTPM.

Just saying.
 

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Just out of curiosity, after updating the BIOS, did you reset it and also do a full fTPM clear? Then reinstall Windows wiping everything?

Also do you play or have installed any games that uses kernel level anticheats? You know this if your game anticheats require a reboot after install.

What AV do you use?

Do you encrypt your disk drive? If so, with what software?
 

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    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    AC WiFi Card
Another thing I noticed about your system is that you're using 2 PCIe4.0 SSDs but have a PCIe3.0 GPU. It is a known issue on your board model that if you have PCIe gen set to AUTO in BIOS with mix and match different generation devices, it causes stuttering. Setting everything to same lowest generation, PCIe3.0 in your case, solves this issue.
 

My Computers My Computers

System One System Two

  • At a glance

    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8457 / Linux Mint 22.3Ryzen 7 2700U Pro32GBiGPU Vega 10
    OS
    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8457 / Linux Mint 22.3
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo A485
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700U Pro
    Motherboard
    Lenovo (WiFi/BT module upgraded to Intel Wireless-AC-9260)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    iGPU Vega 10
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" FHD (built-in) + 14" Lenovo Thinkvision M14t (touch+pen) + 32" Asus PB328
    Screen Resolution
    FHD + FHD + 1440p
    Hard Drives
    Intel 660p m.2 nVME PCIe3.0 x2 512GB
    PSU
    125W(Dock)/65W(Travel Adapter)
    Keyboard
    Thinkpad / Logitech MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    1/1Gbit
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    SecureBoot: Enabled
    TPM2.0: Enabled
    AMD-V: Enabled

  • At a glance

    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8521(RP)i7-7700k @4.8GHz32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Operating System
    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8521(RP)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    i7-7700k @4.8GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus PRIME Z270-A
    Memory
    32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" 10-bit Asus PB328Q
    Screen Resolution
    WQHD 2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB ADATA SX8000NP NVMe PCIe Gen 3 x4
    PSU
    850W
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black
    Keyboard
    Logitech MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    1/1Gbit
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    AC WiFi Card
Install from add optional features the TPM diagnostics utility.
Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows XP,11 Linux Fedora Rawhide pre-releas...2 X Intel i7
OS
Windows XP,11 Linux Fedora Rawhide pre-release 45
Computer type
PC/Desktop
CPU
2 X Intel i7
Screen Resolution
4KUHD X 2
I guess i have been lucky, not seen any issues with stuttering on my 3 AMD rigs, i went out tonight and googled it a bit after reading this post. It certainly seems to be an issue for many. Lucky for me, my box is stable as a rock.
 

My Computers My Computers

System One System Two

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProIntel Core i5-8279u32GB DDR4 2666MhzIntel Iris Plus 655
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink SEI8
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8279u
    Motherboard
    AZW SEI
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Plus 655
    Sound Card
    Intel SST
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus ProArt PA278QV
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB NVMe
    PSU
    NA
    Case
    NA
    Cooling
    NA
    Keyboard
    NA
    Mouse
    NA
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Mini PC used for testing Windows 11.

  • At a glance

    Windows 10 ProRyzen 9 5900x64GB DDR4-3600EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
    Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900x
    Motherboard
    Asus Rog Strix X570-E Gaming
    Memory
    64GB DDR4-3600
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GeForce 3080 FT3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2TB WD SN850 PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe
    2TB Sandisk Ultra 2.5" SATA SSD
    PSU
    Seasonic Focus 850
    Case
    Fractal Meshify S2 in White
    Cooling
    Dark Rock Pro CPU cooler, 3 x 140mm case fans
    Keyboard
    Corsiar K65 RGB Lux
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    500/50
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Defender.
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