Dymax I/O software - Improvement in Backup Throughput I/O?


Few people pay much attention to grammar these days. Having been an English minor in college many decades ago, proper grammar always makes a difference to me. I'm surprised that being from Belgium, you usually display such proper English. Are you a Belgium native?
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As usual you are incorrect.
Hey mate, it is a "System Optimisation" solution. Does more than just file placement and other HDD techniques like consolidating files to start of disk.

Has anyone ever used O&O CleverCache? Or Mem Reduct? Reduce Memory?
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There are stacks of optimisations available in the OS. Even network optimisations to reduce timeouts, number of threads, etc to increase performance. Surely Dymax I/O is capable of more?

I am confused why people are insisting this is defrag software - just because of the same S/W vendor?

It's not "defrag software". It's a complex mixture of various storage optimization software technologies.
I did not say it was defrag software. I was the one asking about the optimisation software. I started the thread.

No, it is generally not necessary or recommended to defrag an SSD.
Defrag is now called Trim. It's technology evolving. Defrag is disabled on most systems. Automatic optimisation clears cache, temp files and runs trim. It no longer attempts to optimise the entire partition.

Plus why are you taking AI output as gospel? Read the small print - it's not fact checked!


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This forum is supposed to be there to help users seeking advice and assistance.
Back and forth retorts do nothing to enhance its reputation .
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Defrag is now called Trim.
TRIM is unrelated to defrag, it's a necessary SSD cleanup operation that's usually postponed so immediate write performance isn't impacted.

A rough analogy is you don't run backups in the middle of your work day. You could, but that leads to poor performance. By delaying TRIM, a SSD can keep up with a heavy write workload and you can schedule cleanup for later.

Windows defrag has the ability to run TRIM about once a month.
Other vendor SSD tools can do TRIM at other times, or on-demand.
 

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TRIM is unrelated to defrag, it's a necessary SSD cleanup operation that's usually postponed so immediate write performance isn't impacted.

A rough analogy is you don't run backups in the middle of your work day. You could, but that leads to poor performance. By delaying TRIM, a SSD can keep up with a heavy write workload and you can schedule cleanup for later.

Windows defrag has the ability to run TRIM about once a month.
Other vendor SSD tools can do TRIM at other times, or on-demand.
Since Windows 10 it's been called "optimization" not defrag. Under automatic control, it may run DAILY, WEEKLY or MONTHLY and also offers MANUAL optimization when required.
 

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TRIM is unrelated to defrag, it's a necessary SSD cleanup operation that's usually postponed so immediate write performance isn't impacted.

A rough analogy is you don't run backups in the middle of your work day. You could, but that leads to poor performance. By delaying TRIM, a SSD can keep up with a heavy write workload and you can schedule cleanup for later.

Windows defrag has the ability to run TRIM about once a month.
Other vendor SSD tools can do TRIM at other times, or on-demand.
Yes and no. TRIM is indirectly related to defrag in the particular sense that both are necessary to help mitigate SSD performance degradations and accelerated aging of the NAND cells.

TRIM only marks blocks in the NAND as invalid, or stale to indicate that garbage collection is allowed to erase them. However, individual blocks cannot be erased in NAND. Only an entire page can be. (NAND pages consist of multiple blocks.) As a result, garbage collection commonly will decide to postpone erasure of a page until all blocks in the page are marked as stale by TRIM. Various other reasons why a lot of erasures very often are postponed for (much) longer periods of time than many think include wear leveling, a strategy to distribute erasures a lot more evenly across all pages, the purpose of which is to avoid wearing out some pages a lot sooner than others. As a matter of fact, many stale blocks never are erased at all. It's why secure deletion tools like SDelete (from Sysinternals) don't work on SSDs, I digress...

Further, file fragmentation still has an impact on SSDs due to the fact that accessing each fragment requires at least one I/O request. Even if you have a lot of IOPS (I/O operations per second) on tap, you might still nevertheless bump into bottlenecks. This is because each I/O still takes time to complete. I.e., while it is true that reading/writing smaller chunks of data takes less time to complete than reading/writing bigger chunks of data, the latter option still gives much better sequential data transfer speeds and, as a consequence, much better throughput. The assertion that none of it should matter on SSDs because you can never run out of IOPS is the so-called "IOPS fallacy", and, this fallacy can also be measured with relative ease. Hammering the controller of the SSD with more numerous, more frequent I/O requests also increases the controller's workload so as a result it has less available time to spend on its own internal optimization mechanisms making them less effective, worsening the inherent problem of write amplification among various other negative tendencies.

Finally, on Windows 11 by default, the retrim part (which sends the same TRIM commands again, hence it's called retrim) runs once per week on the SSDs. You can verify this by pasting the command below in a PowerShell window.

Get-WinEvent -FilterHashtable @{LogName='Application';ProviderName='Microsoft-Windows-Defrag'} |% {$x=[xml]$_.ToXml(); If($_.Id -eq 258 -Or $_.Id -eq 264) {If($x.Event.EventData.Data[1] -ne $z) {$z=$x.Event.EventData.Data[1];$y='~'} else{$y=''}; $_ |select @{l='TimeCreated';e={$_.TimeCreated}}, @{l='Level';e={"$($_.Level) $($_.LevelDisplayName)"}}, Id, @{l='~';e={$y}}, @{l='Volume';e={$z}}, @{l='Hex';e={"$([String]$x.Event.EventData.Binary[10])$([String]$x.Event.EventData.Binary[11])$([String]$x.Event.EventData.Binary[8])$([String]$x.Event.EventData.Binary[9])"}}, @{l='Data';e={$x.Event.EventData.Data[0]}}, @{l='Message';e={$x.Event.EventData.Data[2]}} }} |? {$_.Hex -eq '02AD'} |ogv -Title 'Retrim'
 
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Under automatic control, it may run DAILY, WEEKLY or MONTHLY and also offers MANUAL optimization when required.
The Period and Deadline are specified in the task definition of the maintenance task. The Period element specifies how often the task needs to be started during Automatic maintenance. The Deadline element specifies when the Task scheduler must start the task during emergency Automatic maintenance, if it failed to complete during regular Automatic maintenance. The value of the Deadline element should be greater than the value of the Period element. If the deadline is not specified the task will not be started during emergency Automatic maintenance.

The format for this string is PnYnMnDTnHnMnS, where nY is the number of years, nM is the number of months, nD is the number of days, T is the date/time separator, nH is the number of hours, nM is the number of minutes, and nS is the number of seconds (for example, "PT5M" specifies 5 minutes and "P1M4DT2H5M" specifies one month, four days, two hours, and five minutes). The minimum value is one minute.

On Windows 11, by default the ScheduledDefrag maintenance task has a Period element with a value of 7 days and a Deadline element with a value of 1 month:

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