Fedora users on rel 38 -- note slight change in accessing KVM for VM's

Hi folks
If you use KVM/QEMU on Fedora 38 then you will with latest updates probably stay in "Connecting" for ever.

Just add "New connection" and choose "User session " - and it all works fine.

Not sure why people make these sorts of changes -- if it ain't broke why fix it !!!.




Thought I'd give Fedora LXDE version a try -- seems nice and fast for a GUI desktop but of course with all these things unlike a lean distro a lot of extras get installed by default -- however since Red Hat is now owned by IBM this version seems really nice, fast and slick for a "Canned" distribution.

No problem with loading up Windows VM - just use an existing VM image - no probs at all- and actually Host->Guest communication without having to use NAT / bridging stuff works very well too.



Running lightweight GUI LXDE

Running actually on a really old BIOS HP micro server Proliant GEN 8 booted from an external SSD on a USB 2 port -- still works with decent performance -- even the Windows VM !!!!

I might start using this --Fedora seems to have got it's act together -- so IBM can't be all bad. (Now the owners of Red Hat). I don;t like UBUNTU coming from Canonical which seems to be popular these days !!!. Not madly keen on canonical with all their "flatpak" and other nonsenses to install things.


Cheers
jimbo

My servers that I manage and have managed for 20+ years are all pretty much of a Red Hat flavor. Some RHEL, but the overwhelming majority being CentOS.

However, since RedHat/IBM changed the focus of CentOS to the stream release, it's not suitable for an enterprise environment in my opinion as it's sorta like Fedora now....more the bleeding edge/test grounds for what works and what doesn't that eventually gets put into RHEL.

My organization is now moving to Rocky Linux. It's from the same guy who started CentOS back in the day. And they are once again providing an enterprise class linux distro in lock step with RHEL. I kinda look at Rocky as CentOS2.

The enterprise versions are for stability and long term support. Often not on the newest versions of software, but on stable and tried/true versions. So, I know many don't love these distros for desktops as they are a bit behind, but stable they are.

i cannot comment much on the GUI's, I almost never have one installed on Linux boxes.

pparks1 said:

My servers that I manage and have managed for 20+ years are all pretty much of a Red Hat flavor. Some RHEL, but the overwhelming majority being CentOS.

However, since RedHat/IBM changed the focus of CentOS to the stream release, it's not suitable for an enterprise environment in my opinion as it's sorta like Fedora now....more the bleeding edge/test grounds for what works and what doesn't that eventually gets put into RHEL.

My organization is now moving to Rocky Linux. It's from the same guy who started CentOS back in the day. And they are once again providing an enterprise class linux distro in lock step with RHEL. I kinda look at Rocky as CentOS2.

The enterprise versions are for stability and long term support. Often not on the newest versions of software, but on stable and tried/true versions. So, I know many don't love these distros for desktops as they are a bit behind, but stable they are.

i cannot comment much on the GUI's, I almost never have one installed on Linux boxes.

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Hi there

@pparks1

I agree on the whole -- this is just a test box -- I use Linux also on my main laptop as a workstation so having a GUI on a test box is fine --I agree on a server one doesn't need a GUI --especially an enterprise server -- but setting up VM's purely in command line and using nano / vim isn't my favourite way of doing it.

I build the VM via virt-machine manager on a remote machine (with a GUI) and then ssh the xml file over to the server -- filezilla on remote machine is also good for sending files over via sftp (so long as openssh-server and sshd daemon running). A lightweight gui for a workstation / test box seems OK to me though.

i'll have a look at rocky linux -- I liked centos up to rel 7 after that got dropped by Red Hat.-- seems to have good comments from previous centos users !!

The brand name seems a bit "dubious" though !!!!! Rocky !!!!!!!

cheers
jimbo

From Gregory Kurtzer, who founded CentOS and Rocky on how the Rocky Linux name was chosen.

Thinking back to early CentOS days... My cofounder was Rocky McGaugh. He is no longer with us, so as a H/T to him, who never got to see the success that CentOS came to be, I introduce to you...Rocky Linux.

jimbo45 said:

If you use KVM/QEMU on Fedora 38 then you will with latest updates probably stay in "Connecting" for ever.

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Interesting.
I haven't seen this here. I run Fedora 38 on one PC. Though in this case I've upgraded from F36 without any issues a couple of months ago, when it was released.
KVM / virt-manager works fine.

pparks1 said:

My organization is now moving to Rocky Linux. It's from the same guy who started CentOS back in the day. And they are once again providing an enterprise class linux distro in lock step with RHEL. I kinda look at Rocky as CentOS2.

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I tried it and like how it runs. It's a good classic CentOS continuation.
Also tested it as a desktop. Now I'm on Centos Stream on Intel/AMD machines but found out the hard way that on my old NVidia laptop I should stick to Rocky.

pparks1 said:

The enterprise versions are for stability and long term support. Often not on the newest versions of software, but on stable and tried/true versions. So, I know many don't love these distros for desktops as they are a bit behind, but stable they are.

i cannot comment much on the GUI's, I almost never have one installed on Linux boxes.

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The GUI is fine. Though Gnome is not in my top of the list.
I use these OSes on some desktops lately and like the stability; had to get used to the avaliable repo's and versions of software.
Not bad, very stable. A lot to customize but you can go somewhere far with it.
I like Fedora XFCE very much and always try to set this GUI on CentOS as well, as an excersise: this is a custom setup as you need to manually install XFCE on top of a fresh minimal non-gui install or on top of Gnome but XFCE desktop (and also KDE) is available to use on CentOS / RHEL / Rocky which I find very nice.

Hi there

@Hopachi


I think you'll find that currently on Fedora 38 the USB re-direction when using KVM for VM's is broken -- virtual machine gives error message and fails to start when you add host hardware --USB device.

Maybe it might get fixed in a few releases -- or updates - but if I can't run VM's reliably then that's a deal breaker.

I'm sticking to Debian bookworm (rel 12) for testing stuff - everything just works the way it should do.

USB re-direction working 100% from test laptop running debian bookworm with Windows 11 pro VM.



RDP from Windows VM to another debian computer (remote) running KDE GUI desktop




cheers
jimbo