Solved Finding the right laptop


Thanks. I was reading something about that on Reddit. Comments were that upgrading the ram actually slowed it down due to the dual channel business and better option was to get one with larger soldered ram (which would be out of my price bracket).

I'd be ok with 8gb ram but wonder - if the soldered ram died, would adding a stick in the second slot work? Assume it would then only be single channel ram.
If you mix RAM modules with different clock speed specifications the memory controller will always read the SPD information of each channel, and configure the memory bus to run at the speed of the slowest module. In that sense, dual channel memory would work out to be slower than using one stick.

However when you buy new RAM, if you choose a module that match the timings of your existing installed RAM (the onboard soldered RAM), then there should be no performance hit, because the memory controller can configure the memory bus at the same speed as both RAM modules.

If the soldered ram died, would adding a stick in the second slot work? Interesting question :think: . I have not seen this problem so I am making an educated guess based on my understanding of PC RAM. There could be more than one answer depending on if i) the soldered RAM was undetected by UEFI at POST, or whether ii) the soldered RAM was detected by UEFI at POST but exhibited faulty memory cells when the OS launches and tries to use them.

ii) If the RAM in question is detected by UEFI and has faulty memory cells, then the computer would BSOD, as this faulty RAM would always be configured for use - you would need replace the motherboard to repair.

It may be possible to put jumpers on the motherboard, to enable/disable the RAM channels. Then you would have a robust way of selecting which channels you want to power up into the computer configuration. But I have not heard of any manufacturer doing that on their mobos.

i) If the RAM in question is undetected by the memory controller, then there is a chance it will just detect the SPD of the SODIMM RAM, and configure that RAM for use by the computer. So, you could get away with it for years and years.
On the other hand, some memory controllers like to detect RAM in channel 1, before attempting to detect the RAM in channel 2. My current motherboard is like that, so I have reservations that other motherboards would do the same. It is not guaranteed to work.

Terminology
RAM - Random access memory
SPD - Serial presence detect
UEFI - Unified Extensible Firmware Interface
POST - Power-on self-test
OS - Operating system
BSOD - Blue (or Black) Screen of Death
SODIMM - Small outline dual in-line memory module
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600
    Motherboard
    MSI B550-A Pro
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Radeon RX 6500XT (8 GB version)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    BenQ Mobuiz EX2710Q QHD, Iiyama ProLite X23377HDS
    Hard Drives
    MSI Spatium M461 4TB
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer A114
    CPU
    Intel Celeron N4020
...the problem I’m finding is most 13” or 14” laptops now are too thin. Some of them look fantastic but not that easy to type on...

Don’t want a desktop - I’m a laptop user. I usually buy used ones for economic reasons but started looking at new ones just to try a d find something that is good for typing as a priority.
I'm a 'desktop-free' zone too and like you I prefer used ones, not so much for economic reasons, more so that I can afford (a lot) more than one of them :wink:

My preferred keyboard is that used in the Dell Lattitude range. If you want a separate numeric keypad then you'll have to step up to a 15" laptop.

My most recent addition is a Dell Lattude 5410, a 14" laptop. The keys have a nice travel and physical click to them. That they are also backlit is a bonus. Also it's not as thin as some and has a substantial weighty feel to it.

Read some reviews, NotebookCheck are quite good at assessing the feel of the keyboards. Read some of their reviews of various brands and models, here's their one for mine.

The keyboard doesn't quite have the full width of a full-size keyboard, which can be recognized by the rather narrow Enter key, among other things. Nevertheless, the keyboard works quite well, because the keys of the mainly used keypad area all have normal sizes. In addition, the arrangement of the arrow keys, for example, is also very pleasant.

The typing experience provided by the backlit keyboard is at a high level. The travel of the chiclet keys is deep (estimated at 1.8 mm), the keys have a pleasant, springy pressure point, and the keyboard isn't loud either. The Dell Latitude 14 5410 is definitely suitable for productivity tasks.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Thanks. Yes that is my concern about soldered ram. I guess it’s all going the same way as cars :-). You used to be able to fix them yourself - now it needs specialist repair.

Thanks for the terminology too. I knew most of them but always wondered what Sodimm stood for :-).

I suspect the extra ram slot is just to increase ram and not an alternative to the soldered ram. I was thinking of the little Eee 900 netbooks which had two hard drives. The small 4gb one was soldered. The 8gb one was replaceable. The 4gb one with operating system and boot often used to fail but it was possible in bios to disable it and set the 8gb one to boot. That’s about the extent of my technical knowledge! Other than replacing ram and hard drives and other components.

Not the same as ram of course, especially if it’s part of the Motherboard. And computers are more sophisticated now.

Feeling a gripe coming on again. Apple’s fault ! They started this trend of non replaceable components. It’s one thing to live with a dead battery but another to have dead ram.

So I guess - being a bit old school - I like things to last a long time -it would be a bit hit and miss as to whether soldered ram would last 12 years. Only ever had one ram stick fail on me but …
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
I'm a 'desktop-free' zone too and like you I prefer used ones, not so much for economic reasons, more so that I can afford (a lot) more than one of them :wink:

My preferred keyboard is that used in the Dell Lattitude range. My most recent addition is a Dell Lattude 5410, a 14" laptop. The keys have a nice travel and physical click to them. That they are also backlit is a bonus. Also it's not as thin as some and has a substatial weighty feel to it.

Read some reviews, NotebookCheck are quite good at assessing the feel of the keyboards. Read some of their reviews of varios brands and models, here's their one for mine.



Cheers. That is a good suggestion - they are expensive new but have seen a few used ones. Like the sound of the “not quite full width” keyboard - I prefer a slightly smaller keyboard (having been a netbook fan previously).

Looks good - has mouse buttons too. How do you find the front edge on wrists? I found the hard square metal edge unpleasant on the hp spectre - although could stick something over it I guess?

Yes that is another reason for buying used - to get a higher spec model than could afford new. It takes quite a bit of searching to find a good used one - especially if looking for 8th generation or higher processors.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
Had another thought after posting. Business laptops are usually more traditional and chunky (with exceptions). So maybe I should be looking at used Dell latitudes...
:lmao:I didn't read this until after I posted the above. Yes, it's a business-class machine every time for me.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Cheers. That is a good suggestion - they are expensive new but have seen a few used ones. Like the sound of the “not quite full width” keyboard - I prefer a slightly smaller keyboard (having been a netbook fan previously).

Looks good - has mouse buttons too. How do you find the front edge on wrists? I found the hard square metal edge unpleasant on the hp spectre - although could stick something over it I guess?

Yes that is another reason for buying used - to get a higher spec model than could afford new. It takes quite a bit of searching to find a good used one - especially if looking for 8th generation or higher processors.
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Dell Laptops are Very good, I used one on my Job and it was trouble free. The one in the image is not that Pricey. ( I just realized that it has a i3 CPU-no wonder it is so low...) sorry.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro 22631.3527
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Digital Storm Velox
    CPU
    Intel Core i9-10940X
    Motherboard
    MSI X299 PRO (Intel X299 Chipset) (Up to 4x PCI-E Devices)
    Memory
    128 GB DDR4 3200 MHz Corsair Vengance LPX
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Black
    Sound Card
    Integrated Motherboard Audio-Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    CORSAIR XENEON 32QHD
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    2 Samsung 980 Pro NVME 2TB
    1x Storage (6TB Western Digital
    PSU
    Corsair / EVGA / Thermaltake (Modular) (80 Plus Gold)
    Case
    VELOX
    Cooling
    H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Dual Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)
    Keyboard
    Corsair K63 Wireless
    Mouse
    Corsair NIGHTSWORD RGB
    Internet Speed
    1000Gb's Down-20 Up
    Browser
    Firefox 125.0.2
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Cyber power CP1350AVRLCD -UPS
    NVIDIA 552.22 Driver
  • Operating System
    Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC13ANHi3
    CPU
    Intel Core i3 1315u
    Motherboard
    NUC13AN
    Memory
    64GB GSKILL DDR4 3200
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel On Board
    Sound Card
    Intel on Board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell 2419HGCF
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB Crucial M2NVME
    PSU
    External 90 Watt
    Case
    NUC Tall
    Cooling
    Fan
    Mouse
    Razer
    Keyboard
    Logitech
    Internet Speed
    1GB
    Browser
    Slimjet 43.0.1.0
    Other Info
    quiet & fast
Looks good - has mouse buttons too. How do you find the front edge on wrists? I found the hard square metal edge unpleasant on the hp spectre - although could stick something over it I guess?
I've only just got that one, so haven't used it much yet, but I find on all my other Latitudes (of varying vintage) that there's enough space below the keyboard for my wrist to find themselves naturally resting about an inch in from the edge of the palmrest. Another thing I like about Dell is the availability of full servicing manuals on their support site. So here's their page showing my keyboard and palmrest.

Oh, and checking their Service Manual for various of their PCs, the current Latitude 3*** and 5*** ranges seem to still have all their RAM as removable, while the Latitude 7*** range now has the first block of memory soldered in, with one slot for expansion.

Dell said:
Memory
8 GB, Non-ECC, Integrated
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
has mouse buttons too
I have an Acer (System One below) that has no visible buttons. In actual fact it does, but they are hidden beneath the trackpad, you just press anywhere on the lower half of the left or right side of the trackpad to click them. They feel like and click like any normal separate button. Disconcerting at first, but easy to get used to.

Edit: I've just noticed that Dell Latitudes in the 5*20 range (intel 11th gen) have no buttons either, while the 5*10 range (Intel 10th gen) do. It actually makes sense to place a physical switch beneath a press-able touchpad rather than a dedicated separate button, you can make the touchpad larger and easier to use.
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Hazel, I'm with you on the necessity of having a good keyboard. I learned touch typing in HS many decades ago and type around 100 WPM. I type at the stream of thought without thinking too much about individual keys/letters.

You can see my two computers below. Asus and Microsoft keyboards are some of the best in my opinion.

You can get last year's Surface models new at excellent prices on the Microsoft site now that the new models are out. I bought my Surface Pro 7 new on sale at a bargain $849 USD.

You might also consider the Surface laptops since you like to type on your lap. They also have outstanding keyboards.

Gary in Atlanta
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 15 9510 OLED
    CPU
    11th Gen i9 -11900H
    Memory
    32 GB 3200 MHz DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 3050Ti
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" OLED Infinity Edge Touch
    Screen Resolution
    16:10 Aspect Ratio (3456 x 2160)
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    2 Thunderbolt™ 4 (USB Type-C™)
    1 USB 3.2 Gen 2 (USB Type-C™)
    SD Card Reader (SD, SDHC, SDXC)
    Internet Speed
    900 Mbps Netgear Orbi + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium) + Bing
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Outlook
    Microsoft OneNote
    Microsoft PowerToys
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Macrium Reflect
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    LastPass Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Tablet
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Pro 7
    CPU
    i5
    Memory
    8 GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD
    Internet Speed
    900 Mbps Netgear Orbi + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium) + Bing
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription (Office)
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Outlook
    Microsoft OneNote
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Amazon Kindle
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
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Dell Laptops are Very good, I used one on my Job and it was trouble free. The one in the image is not that Pricey. ( I just realized that it has a i3 CPU-no wonder it is so low...) sorry.

No worries! It looks good. Good to hear so much positive stuff about Dell laptops - a lot of reviews of read of buyers who bought new, were cursing them over reliability. But I guess some new ones have glitches - at least they're under guarantee. Business laptops probably less prone to glitches from new as well.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
Hazel, I'm with you on the necessity of having a good keyboard. I learned touch typing in HS many decades ago and type around 100 WPM. I type at the stream of thought without thinking too much about individual keys/letters.

You can see my two computers below. Asus and Microsoft keyboards are some of the best in my opinion.

You can get last year's Surface models new at excellent prices on the Microsoft site now that the new models are out. I bought my Surface Pro 7 new on sale at a bargain $849 USD.

You might also consider the Surface laptops since you like to type on your lap. They also have outstanding keyboards.

Gary in Atlanta

Cheers. That's good to hear about Asus laptops for keyboards. The Vivobook 14 I mentioned above had very positive reviews about the keyboard. I am quite inclined towards it - other than me being fussy about not liking soldered ram. Surface laptops look amazing - they are still quite expensive used as well - but I have had a look.

So shortlist now:

Ruled out the expensive Asus Zephyrus due to uncertainty about what would happen if soldered ram failed.

Leaves me with

1) Looking at used Dell Latitudes
2) The Asus Vivobook 14 (also has soldered ram but cheaper)
3) Other used 14" laptops with 8th generation or higher.

What I'd really like is another Sony Vaio - the most ergononic laptop I ever used - fantastic keyboard, screen and nvidia graphics. Such a shame they stopped making them.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
Ridiculous getting emotional about computers lol. But momentarily - my favourites. The Sony Vaio VPCC2s1E. Asus Eee 904HA (which was great to type on - but a bit slow). Asus Eee 701sd (Had a few of those until Windows 7 stopped being supported). Also strangely very easy to type on.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
What I'd really like is another Sony Vaio - the most ergononic laptop I ever used - fantastic keyboard, screen and nvidia graphics. Such a shame they stopped making them.
I've always avoided the Sony Vaio. Not because there's anything wrong with them, more because the support pages seem short on drivers and service manuals. The Dell support site (and HP, come to that) on the other hand have manuals that tell you how to completely dismantle their machines. Good support is as important, if not more important that the specs of the machine IMHO.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 22H2 OS Build 22623.1095
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self Build
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800X
    Motherboard
    Asus PRIME B350-PLUS
    Memory
    16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 @3000Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS - GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB TUF GAMING OC
    Sound Card
    On Board Realtec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer KA241
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    240GB PNY CS900 SSD - OS
    2 x 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD
    1 x 500GB Crucial MX300 SSD
    2TB Seagate ST2000DM001-1ER164
    2TB Seagate ST2000DM008-2FR102
    PSU
    750 Watt Corsair TX750 Plus
    Case
    Cooler Master 690 III
    Cooling
    Akasa AK98 5 Case Fans
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270 - wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech - M185 wireless
    Internet Speed
    BT Fibre 75 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Use hardware KVM to switch monitors on three PCs and software (input director) to use mouse and keyboard on all 4 PCs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2 build 22621.900
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 3881 - modified with SFX PSU fitted internally
    CPU
    Intel i5 - 10400
    Motherboard
    Dell 032w55 version A00
    Memory
    16GB of HyperX Fury @ 2133 Mhz
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 6GB GTX 1060.
    Sound Card
    Builtin
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ACER KA241
    Screen Resolution
    1920x 1080 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    256GB SK hynix NVMe
    1TB Western Digital WD10EZEX-75WN4A1
    PSU
    Modular 450 Watt Corsair SF450 Platinum ( Mod to replace the Dell 265 Watt PSU)
    Case
    Inspiron Small Desktop
    Cooling
    Dell stock cooler
    Mouse
    Dell
    Keyboard
    Dell
    Internet Speed
    BT Fibre 75 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Use hardware KVM to switch monitors on three PCs and software (input director) to use mouse and keyboard on all 4 PCs.

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Thanks. Yes support is important. Apparently the 5410 can have three variants of battery and the smaller battery leaves room for a 2.5 inch sata drive as well. As I have a good Samsung 1tb sata drive it would be good to be able to use it. I'll check out the link.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
Thanks. Yes that is my concern about soldered ram. I guess it’s all going the same way as cars :). You used to be able to fix them yourself - now it needs specialist repair.

Thanks for the terminology too. I knew most of them but always wondered what Sodimm stood for :).

I suspect the extra ram slot is just to increase ram and not an alternative to the soldered ram. I was thinking of the little Eee 900 netbooks which had two hard drives. The small 4gb one was soldered. The 8gb one was replaceable. The 4gb one with operating system and boot often used to fail but it was possible in bios to disable it and set the 8gb one to boot. That’s about the extent of my technical knowledge! Other than replacing ram and hard drives and other components.

Not the same as ram of course, especially if it’s part of the Motherboard. And computers are more sophisticated now.

Feeling a gripe coming on again. Apple’s fault ! They started this trend of non replaceable components. It’s one thing to live with a dead battery but another to have dead ram.

So I guess - being a bit old school - I like things to last a long time -it would be a bit hit and miss as to whether soldered ram would last 12 years. Only ever had one ram stick fail on me but …
Yes, cars are getting more computerised and harder to repair with duct tape :) yourself. A lot of circuit boards use SMT (Surface Mount Technology) to solder the components, which is done by robots - not humans. Even the specialist repair guarantees do not last for long, as manufacturers say it cost too much to keep spare parts. This all affects our "Right to Repair" as consumers. "Right to Repair" laws have changed in UK because of Brexit, and things like smartphones and laptops are not covered as much as we would like. Laws in US and EU are a bit more pro-consumer, I believe. However, governments are being told by pressure groups to wise up because of global warming - "Right to Repair" reduces the carbon footprint, so is kinder on the planet. We have only got one planet, so things like "Right to Repair" may suddenly come back into fashion because of the Eco Crisis.

Talking of "Right to Repair", have you seen @A Guy 's post on Windows Q? Microsoft to Make Devices Easier to Repair, Bowing to Investor Pressure According to that article, Microsoft is bowing to pressure on "Right to Repair" with their Surface laptops, starting next year in 2022. Therefore, it could be that your best choice for an upgradable laptop would be the MS Surface ... in 2022!
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600
    Motherboard
    MSI B550-A Pro
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Radeon RX 6500XT (8 GB version)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    BenQ Mobuiz EX2710Q QHD, Iiyama ProLite X23377HDS
    Hard Drives
    MSI Spatium M461 4TB
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer A114
    CPU
    Intel Celeron N4020
My ASUS Vivobook 15 has been real good, a snappy little powerhouse!
Bought it last year for about 600 bucks.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS ROG Strix
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS VivoBook
Yes, cars are getting more computerised and harder to repair with duct tape :) yourself. A lot of circuit boards use SMT (Surface Mount Technology) to solder the components, which is done by robots - not humans. Even the specialist repair guarantees do not last for long, as manufacturers say it cost too much to keep spare parts. This all affects our "Right to Repair" as consumers. "Right to Repair" laws have changed in UK because of Brexit, and things like smartphones and laptops are not covered as much as we would like. Laws in US and EU are a bit more pro-consumer, I believe. However, governments are being told by pressure groups to wise up because of global warming - "Right to Repair" reduces the carbon footprint, so is kinder on the planet. We have only got one planet, so things like "Right to Repair" may suddenly come back into fashion because of the Eco Crisis.

Talking of "Right to Repair", have you seen @A Guy 's post on Windows Q? Microsoft to Make Devices Easier to Repair, Bowing to Investor Pressure According to that article, Microsoft is bowing to pressure on "Right to Repair" with their Surface laptops, starting next year in 2022. Therefore, it could be that your best choice for an upgradable laptop would be the MS Surface ... in 2022!

Thanks! Not sure the laptop hinges will last till 2022 lol. Screen half hanging off (wedged up by a book). Although I am typing on it now :). Yep what with brexit and the pandemic it's all change. But they really should be making things renewable, not disposable. I am sure they could still make thin laptops with removable ram.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
My ASUS Vivobook 15 has been real good, a snappy little powerhouse!
Bought it last year for about 600 bucks.

Thanks - that's good to know. Yes the 14" one costs just a bit less than that. Between £500 and £560 depending which model. I like the look of it. It popped up as a good value budget laptop. Just thinking about whether or not I want soldered ram. Is it actually possible to resolder new ram if it failed? I've replaced laptop parts before but soldering is a bit ....
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd

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