Four Different SSDs on PC in Optimize Drives


IgnaciaIce

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I am noticing my main C drive on one, my System Reserved drive on the other, and two unknown volumes that I can't seem to find the correct answer for.
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Windows Build/Version
Windows 11 24H2

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce RTX 3060
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung C27RG50
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Keyboard
    ReDragon Surara K582
    Mouse
    ReDragon Impact M908
    Browser
    Brave
What does it look like in Disk Manager?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K and i9-7960X / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1 and ASUS X299 SAGE
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070 and RTX 3070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious. I'll be working on this.
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    Gave Dell touch screen with Windows 11 to daughter and got me an OTVOC. Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce RTX 3060
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung C27RG50
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Keyboard
    ReDragon Surara K582
    Mouse
    ReDragon Impact M908
    Browser
    Brave
You have one SSD.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
    Motherboard
    Erica6
    Memory
    Micron Technology DDR4-3200 16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC671
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SyncMaster U28E590
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG MZVLQ1T0HALB-000H1

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce RTX 3060
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung C27RG50
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Keyboard
    ReDragon Surara K582
    Mouse
    ReDragon Impact M908
    Browser
    Brave
I know that, but what are the other 3 in Optimize Drives
Those are partition on the SSD disk management won't show all they are hidden partitions.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
    Motherboard
    Erica6
    Memory
    Micron Technology DDR4-3200 16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC671
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SyncMaster U28E590
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG MZVLQ1T0HALB-000H1
Those are partition on the SSD disk management won't show all they are hidden partitions.
I wasn't sure what they were and how they ended up there.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce RTX 3060
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung C27RG50
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Keyboard
    ReDragon Surara K582
    Mouse
    ReDragon Impact M908
    Browser
    Brave
You selected Advanced View from Optimize Drives you don't need to optimize those hidden partitions.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
    Motherboard
    Erica6
    Memory
    Micron Technology DDR4-3200 16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC671
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SyncMaster U28E590
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG MZVLQ1T0HALB-000H1
You selected Advanced View from Optimize Drives you don't need to optimize those hidden partitions.
When i went into the settings that there was two Unknown Volumes but one is gone but the other remains unknown.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home 24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce RTX 3060
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung C27RG50
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Keyboard
    ReDragon Surara K582
    Mouse
    ReDragon Impact M908
    Browser
    Brave
I wasn't sure what they were and how they ended up there.
The 'other' partitions are there by default of the installation of Windows. They don't have a drive letter and should be inaccessible by Users because Windows doesn't want them messed with.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro RTM Version 24H2 Build 26100.4202
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
    Memory
    12GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe M.2
  • Operating System
    Win11 Pro RTM Version 24H2 Build 26100.4202
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA, using a DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dell
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 4TB Seagate HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security
I am noticing my main C drive on one, my System Reserved drive on the other, and two unknown volumes that I can't seem to find the correct answer for.
On my system those two unknowns seen in Advanced View appear to be the Fat32 EFI partition and the Recovery partition, both are hidden partitions without a drive letter.

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Optimisation (Trim) is not available for a Fat32 partition on an SSD.

ESP (EFI System Partition) - TRIM does not apply to the ESP because it is a FAT32 partition and TRIM is specific to file systems like NTFS that support it.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    150 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
About the only thing that Windows Optimize Disks does for an SSD is run the TRIM command, and that's done automatically by Windows periodically anyway.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro 24H2, Build 26100.4652
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14500
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M G P WIFI
    Memory
    64GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060
    Sound Card
    Chipset Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 45" Ultragear, Acer 24" 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    5120x1440, 1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD (O/S)
    Silicon Power 2TB US75 Nvme PCIe Gen4 M.2 2280 SSD (backup)
    Crucial BX500 2TB 3D NAND (2nd backup)
    External off-line backup Drives: 2 NVMe 4TB drives in external enclosures
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 750W
    Case
    LIAN LI LANCOOL 216 E-ATX PC Case
    Cooling
    Lots of fans!
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Security
  • Operating System
    Win 11 Pro 24H2, Build 26100.4652
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M DS3H AX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel 700 Embedded GPU
    Sound Card
    Realtek Embedded
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27" HP 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 eD NAND PCIe SSD
    Samsung EVO 990 2TB NVMe Gen4 SSD
    Samsung 2TB SATA SSD
    PSU
    Thermaltake Smart BM3 650W
    Case
    Okinos Micro ATX Case
    Cooling
    Fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Security
It's not a bug, it's a feature!

Enhancing your defrag experience

We’re making a few changes to the Optimize Drives page (Settings > System > Storage > Optimize Drives), including:
  • Adding a new “Advanced View” checkbox to list all volumes including hidden volumes. Please note we’re still getting this one up and running, so you’ll see the checkbox in this build, but may not notice any differences when you click it.
From: Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 20241

If you search the Windows registry for the GUID of the drive that is selected in your 1st screenshot, you'll find that this GUID is quite simply Windows NT (Not There). :D
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus TUF Gaming F16 (2024)
    CPU
    i7 13650HX
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Cooling
    2× Arc Flow Fans, 4× exhaust vents, 5× heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
  • Operating System
    11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Medion S15450
    CPU
    i5 1135G7
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    Eastern Electric MiniMax DAC Supreme; Emotiva UMC-200; Astell & Kern AK240
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia XR-55X90J
    Screen Resolution
    3840×2160
    Hard Drives
    2TB SSD internal
    37TB external
    PSU
    Li-ion
    Keyboard
    Logitech K800
    Mouse
    Logitech G402
    Internet Speed
    20Mbit/s up, 250Mbit/s down
    Browser
    FF
Get-Disk | ForEach-Object {$_ | Format-Table -AutoSize Number,FriendlyName,Size,PartitionStyle; Get-Partition -DiskNumber $_.number | Format-Table -AutoSize PartitionNumber,DriveLetter,Size,Guid,IsBoot,IsSystem,Type}
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Microsoft Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI MS-7D98
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-13490F
    Motherboard
    MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI
    Memory
    2 x 16 Patriot Memory (PDP Systems) PSD516G560081
    Graphics Card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 WINDFORCE OC 12G (GV-N4070WF3OC-12GD)
    Sound Card
    Bluetooth Аудио
    Monitor(s) Displays
    INNOCN 15K1F
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    WD_BLACK SN770 250GB
    KINGSTON SNV2S1000G (ELFK0S.6)
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 1000W
    Case
    CG560 - DeepCool
    Cooling
    ID-COOLING SE-224-XTS / 2 x 140Mm Fan - rear and top; 3 x 120Mm - front
    Keyboard
    Corsair K70 RGB TKL
    Mouse
    Corsair KATAR PRO XT
    Internet Speed
    100 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender Antivirus
    Other Info
    https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/66553205
"The use of flash memory in SSDs means that they have a limited number of write cycles. When data is deleted from an SSD, the space it occupied is not immediately available for reuse. Instead, the drive's firmware marks the space as “invalid” and it is not overwritten until the trimming process is performed. This process helps prevent the disk from fragmenting and slowing down the disk.
Garbage collection is beneficial to the life of the SSD and its overall performance, while TRIM simply makes it better (sometimes the two terms are used interchangeably). Without this command, garbage collection would simply move all pages continuously, compacting partially filled blocks to keep the newly erased blocks available for programming - but this means that unnecessary pages would also be moved around, wasting time and increasing wear and tear on memory cells.
Since TRIM explicitly indicates which pages are now unnecessary, they can be left untouched during garbage collection and erased as needed.
The TRIM function is automatically issued by Windows when a file is finally deleted (i.e. removed from the Recycle Bin), but it does not happen instantly. It is added to a queue and processed when the SSD is ready for it.
However, this queue has a maximum size, and if it fills up, some of the TRIM requests will be canceled. By default, Windows plans to reissue TRIM commands on a regular basis (calling it retrim).
You can force this by clicking the button labeled Optimize.
For devices with NAND flash memory, clicking this button reissues the TRIM command.
The base volumes recognize the TRIM command."
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Microsoft Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI MS-7D98
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-13490F
    Motherboard
    MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI
    Memory
    2 x 16 Patriot Memory (PDP Systems) PSD516G560081
    Graphics Card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 WINDFORCE OC 12G (GV-N4070WF3OC-12GD)
    Sound Card
    Bluetooth Аудио
    Monitor(s) Displays
    INNOCN 15K1F
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    WD_BLACK SN770 250GB
    KINGSTON SNV2S1000G (ELFK0S.6)
    PSU
    Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 1000W
    Case
    CG560 - DeepCool
    Cooling
    ID-COOLING SE-224-XTS / 2 x 140Mm Fan - rear and top; 3 x 120Mm - front
    Keyboard
    Corsair K70 RGB TKL
    Mouse
    Corsair KATAR PRO XT
    Internet Speed
    100 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender Antivirus
    Other Info
    https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/66553205
Get-Disk | ForEach-Object {$_ | Format-Table -AutoSize Number,FriendlyName,Size,PartitionStyle; Get-Partition -DiskNumber $_.number | Format-Table -AutoSize PartitionNumber,DriveLetter,Size,Guid,IsBoot,IsSystem,Type}
Thank you. That confirms my initial identification in post #11 as being the EFI system and Recovery partitions.

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    150 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
"The use of flash memory in SSDs means that they have a limited number of write cycles. When data is deleted from an SSD, the space it occupied is not immediately available for reuse. Instead, the drive's firmware marks the space as “invalid” and it is not overwritten until the trimming process is performed. This process helps prevent the disk from fragmenting and slowing down the disk.
Garbage collection is beneficial to the life of the SSD and its overall performance, while TRIM simply makes it better (sometimes the two terms are used interchangeably). Without this command, garbage collection would simply move all pages continuously, compacting partially filled blocks to keep the newly erased blocks available for programming - but this means that unnecessary pages would also be moved around, wasting time and increasing wear and tear on memory cells.
Since TRIM explicitly indicates which pages are now unnecessary, they can be left untouched during garbage collection and erased as needed.
The TRIM function is automatically issued by Windows when a file is finally deleted (i.e. removed from the Recycle Bin), but it does not happen instantly. It is added to a queue and processed when the SSD is ready for it.
However, this queue has a maximum size, and if it fills up, some of the TRIM requests will be canceled. By default, Windows plans to reissue TRIM commands on a regular basis (calling it retrim).
You can force this by clicking the button labeled Optimize.
For devices with NAND flash memory, clicking this button reissues the TRIM command.
The base volumes recognize the TRIM command."
To elaborate, the command that causes the pages to be marked as invalid, or stale is the TRIM command. TRIM does not inherently cause any pages to be marked as stale, though. When under heavy load, the SSD's controller may decide to still excecute the TRIM command but nevertheless refuse to perform the action that actually marks the pages as stale. I.e., to give priority to pending read/write operations in an attempt to keep up with performance.

That in fact is why Windows periodically does a retrim. There exists no such thing as a retrim command, though. Windows just sends the necessary TRIM commands again to try to ensure that any pages no longer in use by data objects that exist within the filesystem will (hopefully) be marked as stale.

The retrim usually will succeed due to the fact that the \Microsoft\Windows\Defrag\ScheduledDefrag task in Task Scheduler runs, weekly by default on Windows 11, as part of Windows Automatic Maintenance (WAM), which runs, daily at 3:00 AM for 1 hour by default on Windows 11, when the system is idle or until the system no longer is idle. If the ScheduledDefrag fails to complete in such a way that 30 days have elapsed since the last successful completion, the task will run as part of Emergency Maintenance.

Further, if "trimming process" here is referring to TRIM, then no, TRIM does not cause any pages to be overwritten (or erased). Also, the garbage collection process does not inherently cause any pages to be erased (or blocks, as pagess are grouped into blocks, and NAND cells can only be erased at the block level even though TRIM does mark individual pages).

In essence, whether a block is erased during garbage collection is determined by the manufacturer's SSD hardware design implementation, the SSD's firmware, and the background processes that the SSD's controller runs internally so they are kept trade secret at least in part. This not only includes the garbage collection process itself.

It also includes other processes like wear-leveling, corrective measures using Error Correction Codes (ECC) and various other data management techniques some of which may only be found in some SSDs. E.g., data refresh cycles. https://www.innodisk.com/upload/file/innodisk_iretention_20_white_paper_en.pdf

The main takeway here is that it is impossible to know when the erasure occurs. So much so, in a lot of cases mostly involving only light use, a very large number of blocks will simply never be erased. Worse, data gets moved around constantly in the NAND to reduce write amplification and to make processes like wear-leveling possible, and gets moved around such a way that each move usually leaves behind stale pages—not seldom in massive quantities.

Finally, this still holds true in spite of the fact that every modern PC normally has TRIM enabled by default. It also helps to explain why Sysinternals SDelete doesn't work on SSDs.
 
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