Fresh Install and Windows Update borked my system


LucaraCrassus

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My laptop was a mess, files everywhere, unorganized, 3 SSDs filled with junk. I decided to do a fresh install of Windows 11. Done this many times before. Downloaded the USB Media Creation Tool from Microsoft, wiped my SSDs and reinstalled. No issues. Logged in and started round one of Windows Updates. Windows rebooted. After the restart my laptop boots to a total black screen. Screen is on, but its black, no Windows boot logo or spinning circle. Just *hit power button, immediate black screen*. I cannot access the BIOS either, on this laptop it is F12 or DEL, either one works usually. Nothing. I tried multiple key combos from the Manufacturer (HP Omen 15), still nothing. I tried reinstalling Windows, it will not boot from flash drives, same when trying Linux. I cannot access the recovery environment. It's like it cannot even load the BIOS. I tried multiple monitors and keyboards, nothing. I even downloaded the BIOS recovery tool from HP. That did boot, and it ran. BIOS Recovery ran from my flash drive and said it recovered and repaired the BIOS back to the original version and to hit enter to restart. I did. Same issue. Just a dead laptop. Even took out all the SSDs and RAM one by one and swapped them around thinking maybe it was hardware. Nothing. Any ideas? This is new and frustrating as heck.
 
Windows Build/Version
Windows 11

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI Katana 15 B13VEK
    CPU
    Intel Core I7 1362H
    Motherboard
    Micro-Star International Co MS-1585 (U3E1)
    Memory
    16gb DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Autio
    Hard Drives
    1tb NVMe Samsung
    500gb NVMe Unknown Manufacturer
    Internet Speed
    1gb
    Browser
    Opera
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Logged in and started round one of Windows Updates. Windows rebooted. After the restart my laptop boots to a total black screen.
That would indicate to me WU downloaded a bad driver, or in this case probably a bad bios update. There are reports on HP that some HP BIOS releases by Microsoft do not match what is on the HP web site. If that is the case, I wish you luck in being able to downgrade your bios.

With OEM machines, depending on the model and bios version, in some cases an earlier bios can be loaded, but in other cases the OEM prevents a bios downgrade and there's no way around it unless the OEM can help you. This is common for all OEMs. The rule is (as I understand it) if the current installed bios addressed an Intel security issue, that bios version can NOT be downgraded. The OEM blocks it. It's dependent on your model and the version of bios that is loaded.

You might take a look at this thread to see if it gives you some direction to jump. Note: I'm not insinuating the bios versions mentioned in this thread apply to your machine. Only the troubleshooting steps. You would have to go to the support page for your particular device to know what the correct bios version is for your particular device.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 24H2 26100.3775
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 7080
    CPU
    i9-10900 10 core 20 threads
    Motherboard
    DELL 0J37VM
    Memory
    32 gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    none-Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1tb Solidigm m.2 nvme+256gb SKHynix m.2 nvme /External drives 512gb Samsung m.2 sata+1tb Kingston m2.nvme+ 4gb Solidigm nvme
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell Premium
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Internet Speed
    so slow I'm too embarrassed to tell
    Browser
    #1 Edge #2 Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro 22H2 19045.3930
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Benq 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
    Case
    MT
    Cooling
    Dell factory
    Mouse
    Logitech wireless
    Keyboard
    Logitech wired
    Internet Speed
    still not telling
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender+MWB Premium
I even downloaded the BIOS recovery tool from HP. That did boot, and it ran. BIOS Recovery ran from my flash drive and said it recovered and repaired the BIOS back to the original version and to hit enter to restart.

So you had image - after doing BIOS recovery? 🤔

Remove the SSD and try Booting, does it get to BIOS now? If not - try another BIOS recovery without the SSD. If still nothing - either your BIOS chip was affected (maybe some update released by HP through WU) or it's a coincidence (some hardware issue - like a short which just happened to take place at that time).
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WinDOS 23H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    CPU
    Intel & AMD
    Memory
    SO-DIMM SK Hynix 15.8 GB Dual-Channel DDR4-2666 (2 x 8 GB) 1329MHz (19-19-19-43)
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia RTX 2060 6GB Mobile GPU (TU106M)
    Sound Card
    Onbord Realtek ALC1220
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    1x Samsung PM981 NVMe PCIe M.2 512GB / 1x Seagate Expansion ST1000LM035 1TB
So you had image - after doing BIOS recovery? 🤔

Remove the SSD and try Booting, does it get to BIOS now? If not - try another BIOS recovery without the SSD. If still nothing - either your BIOS chip was affected (maybe some update released by HP through WU) or it's a coincidence (some hardware issue - like a short which just happened to take place at that time).
Honestly I am thinking its just a dead laptop now. It was 6 years old but ran great. I've tried all of this too and downgrading the BIOS version. Nothing. I was hoping to revive it as a spare machine but I think its gone. Thanks for the suggestions though!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI Katana 15 B13VEK
    CPU
    Intel Core I7 1362H
    Motherboard
    Micro-Star International Co MS-1585 (U3E1)
    Memory
    16gb DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Autio
    Hard Drives
    1tb NVMe Samsung
    500gb NVMe Unknown Manufacturer
    Internet Speed
    1gb
    Browser
    Opera
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
1) have you used an external monitor or tv to see if the POST screen does actually show but not on your laptop screen? (im not saying its booting to windows, just the POST)

2) you could try pulling the cmos battery clear bios settings
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
1) have you used an external monitor or tv to see if the POST screen does actually show but not on your laptop screen? (im not saying its booting to windows, just the POST)

2) you could try pulling the cmos battery clear bios settings
I did, I used 2 separate monitors and a TV as well as other keyboards. This laptop does not have a separate CMOS battery, the main battery powers it according to the manufacturer, and I can't find it on the motherboard. I have pulled the batter and I get a CMOS reset message, it tells me to press enter to continue and I am right back at the black screen with no BIOS access.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI Katana 15 B13VEK
    CPU
    Intel Core I7 1362H
    Motherboard
    Micro-Star International Co MS-1585 (U3E1)
    Memory
    16gb DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Autio
    Hard Drives
    1tb NVMe Samsung
    500gb NVMe Unknown Manufacturer
    Internet Speed
    1gb
    Browser
    Opera
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
I did, I used 2 separate monitors and a TV as well as other keyboards. This laptop does not have a separate CMOS battery, the main battery powers it according to the manufacturer, and I can't find it on the motherboard. I have pulled the batter and I get a CMOS reset message, it tells me to press enter to continue and I am right back at the black screen with no BIOS access.
when you tried the ram one by one, did you try powering it without any ram at all to see if it throws a beep code?

there's also this reddit about it being a sensor that gets damaged. unplugging it may/may not resolve the black screen

also, depending on how far you want to go... you can try to reflow the solder
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
when you tried the ram one by one, did you try powering it without any ram at all to see if it throws a beep code?

there's also this reddit about it being a sensor that gets damaged. unplugging it may/may not resolve the black screen

also, depending on how far you want to go... you can try to reflow the solder
I did try this too, without ram and without any drives in it. It isn't giving any beeps either, I thought I would at least get one or two but nothing. I think shes just dead now! :) Nah, I don't think it is worth it to go that far, I was just hoping to get Linux on it and play around, but I will just salvage the drives now and use them as external storage. She had a good life.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI Katana 15 B13VEK
    CPU
    Intel Core I7 1362H
    Motherboard
    Micro-Star International Co MS-1585 (U3E1)
    Memory
    16gb DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Autio
    Hard Drives
    1tb NVMe Samsung
    500gb NVMe Unknown Manufacturer
    Internet Speed
    1gb
    Browser
    Opera
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
I had one of these for a couple of months. Had a similar issue

Regardless if it’s a Battery pack or CMOS battery, they have to be removed for at minimum 20 minutes.
From memory, I also had to hold in the power button for 30 seconds

I wouldn’t say never, plenty of info and videos online.
Also plenty of videos online involving a sledge hammer and laptop
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build 22631.5039
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    5 x LG 25MS500-B - 1 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech: G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    1000/400Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Antivirus
    Defender / Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
I had one of these for a couple of months. Had a similar issue

Regardless if it’s a Battery pack or CMOS battery, they have to be removed for at minimum 20 minutes.
From memory, I also had to hold in the power button for 30 seconds

I wouldn’t say never, plenty of info and videos online.
Also plenty of videos online involving a sledge hammer and laptop
I have a hammer somewhere around here...
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI Katana 15 B13VEK
    CPU
    Intel Core I7 1362H
    Motherboard
    Micro-Star International Co MS-1585 (U3E1)
    Memory
    16gb DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Autio
    Hard Drives
    1tb NVMe Samsung
    500gb NVMe Unknown Manufacturer
    Internet Speed
    1gb
    Browser
    Opera
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender

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