How many obsolete computers after October


Silvio said:
There is a difference between the following:

a) Devices incompatible with Win 11, due to CPU instruction set incompatibility,
b) Devices deemed incompatible due to Win 11 requirements, that will still accomplish a Win 11 install, with registry tweaks.

I wonder how many of the various posts on the web, take this into account.
Especially the people suggesting Linux instead of Win 11, even though it clearly does not run Microsoft Office.
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Silvio I don’t think it matters entirely because people who don’t know that they can bypass requirements would be a massive percentage. It’s not like Dell/HP your local computer store that can sell you a new computer, are going to inform a consumer of the fact.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build 22631.5624
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    5 x LG 25MS500-B - 1 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech: G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    1000/400Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Antivirus
    Defender / Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
I also think, the main issue with installing Windows 11 on incompatible hardware, for the average user (even if they know it's possible and know how or ar prepared to try), is that it doesn't upgrade to the next version automatically. So they have a future of having to reinstall each time there's another version, which could seem like too much hassle to many, who just want to turn a computer on and use it. Having to back up their files and reinstall Windows, then put their files back on - and spend time doing that.

However there are plenty of 8th to 10th generation laptops available second hand that will run windows 11 - maybe they will become more desirable and cost more!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
Hazel123 said:
I also think, the main issue with installing Windows 11 on incompatible hardware, for the average user (even if they know it's possible and know how or ar prepared to try), is that it doesn't upgrade to the next version automatically. So they have a future of having to reinstall each time there's another version, which could seem like too much hassle to many, who just want to turn a computer on and use it. Having to back up their files and reinstall Windows, then put their files back on - and spend time doing that.

However there are plenty of 8th to 10th generation laptops available second hand that will run windows 11 - maybe they will become more desirable and cost more!
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When I discovered (years ago), how easy it was to install Win 11 on "incompatible hardware", I immediately sold the 2x used 9th gen Dell machines, I had bought for running Win 11.

I am now also selling my 2x remaining 8th Gen PCs (i8500/i9500), in anticipation, of the "sheep" flooding the market in October, with cheap ex corporate machines, with Win 10 Pro COA in BIOS/TPM 2.0, either single/dual Xeon V4 cpus.

I'm not a Windows gamer, so don't need 11th gen+ architecture.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Linux Ubuntu 24.04.2 LTS
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Z640
    CPU
    Xeon 2680 v4
    Motherboard
    Xeon V4 Motherboard
    Memory
    64GB ECC DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia GTX 1650
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080@144hz
    Hard Drives
    NVME, SSD
    PSU
    850W
  • Operating System
    RHEL 9.5
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DELL 5610
    CPU
    2x Xeon 2667 V2
    Motherboard
    DELL Dual Xeon
    Memory
    128GB ECC
    Graphics card(s)
    nVidia nv 510 4x DP out
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Gsync 27" 144hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080@144hz
    Hard Drives
    SSD, NVME, 6x HDD
    PSU
    1300w
    Case
    Dell Mini Tower
    Cooling
    Standard
    Browser
    Firefox
Hazel123 said:
This is the 11.6" Core i5 with 8gb ram. It has a lovely screen and a horrible keyboard - hard to find anything that has everything right! HP elitebook revolve 810 G1
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Hazel123 said:
It's still not actually that small! 10" is small.
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There are two 11" 2-in-1 convertibles that I've had, used, and like. The Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1 and the Lenovo Yoga 11e. Both have nice keyboards and were typically supplied with embedded keys for W10 Pro (or Pro Education which also activates Pro).

Both are fully W11 compatible (the Lenovo Yoga 11e from 5th gen on). RAM is soldered, 4GB or 8GB. Avoid the lowest spec models with 64GB/128GB eMMC, the top of the range had M2 NVMe. Good used examples of either can be found for around £70.

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    150 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, and 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
I did actually try the Dell latitude 11 (and the HP equivalent) and yes very nice - however they have tougened glass, low resolution screens - the text was too faint and difficult to read generally. Which was disappointing.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
The Lenovo thinkpad 11e looks interesting ............
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
i have a strong feeling many wont bother to get a new computer but invest in a bigger and better smart phone
as most of the younger generation along with many others now just use their phone for internet access
along with any apps which can include MS office and general day to day usage.

i think MS are shooting themselves in the foot but thats the MS way.
best of luck, Steve ..
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 24H2 Home
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP 24" AiO
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5825u
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    64GB DDR4 3200
    Graphics Card(s)
    Ryzen 7 5825u
    Sound Card
    RealTek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" HP AiO
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 @60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    1TB WD Blue SN580 M2 SSD Partitioned.
    2x 1TB USB HDD External Backup/Storage.
    PSU
    90W external power brick
    Case
    24" All in One
    Cooling
    Default Air Cooling
    Keyboard
    HP WiFi UK extended
    Mouse
    HP WiFi 3 Button
    Internet Speed
    1GB full fibre
    Browser
    Vivaldi & Thunderbird
    Antivirus
    AVG Internet Security
    Other Info
    Mainly Open Source Software
  • Operating System
    Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 13" Latitude 2017
    CPU
    i5 7200u
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel
    Sound Card
    Intel
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13" Dell Laptop
    Hard Drives
    250GB Crucial 2.5" SSD
    Mouse
    Generic WiFi 3 button
    Internet Speed
    WiFi only
    Browser
    Vivaldi
    Antivirus
    ClamAV TK
    Other Info
    Mainly Open Source Software
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