How many obsolete computers after October

antspants · 2025-07-13T09:02:36-0400

Silvio said:
There is a difference between the following:

a) Devices incompatible with Win 11, due to CPU instruction set incompatibility,
b) Devices deemed incompatible due to Win 11 requirements, that will still accomplish a Win 11 install, with registry tweaks.

I wonder how many of the various posts on the web, take this into account.
Especially the people suggesting Linux instead of Win 11, even though it clearly does not run Microsoft Office.

Silvio I don’t think it matters entirely because people who don’t know that they can bypass requirements would be a massive percentage. It’s not like Dell/HP your local computer store that can sell you a new computer, are going to inform a consumer of the fact.

Hazel123 · 2025-07-13T09:09:44-0400

I also think, the main issue with installing Windows 11 on incompatible hardware, for the average user (even if they know it's possible and know how or ar prepared to try), is that it doesn't upgrade to the next version automatically. So they have a future of having to reinstall each time there's another version, which could seem like too much hassle to many, who just want to turn a computer on and use it. Having to back up their files and reinstall Windows, then put their files back on - and spend time doing that.

However there are plenty of 8th to 10th generation laptops available second hand that will run windows 11 - maybe they will become more desirable and cost more!

Silvio · 2025-07-13T09:28:38-0400

Hazel123 said:
I also think, the main issue with installing Windows 11 on incompatible hardware, for the average user (even if they know it's possible and know how or ar prepared to try), is that it doesn't upgrade to the next version automatically. So they have a future of having to reinstall each time there's another version, which could seem like too much hassle to many, who just want to turn a computer on and use it. Having to back up their files and reinstall Windows, then put their files back on - and spend time doing that.

However there are plenty of 8th to 10th generation laptops available second hand that will run windows 11 - maybe they will become more desirable and cost more!

When I discovered (years ago), how easy it was to install Win 11 on "incompatible hardware", I immediately sold the 2x used 9th gen Dell machines, I had bought for running Win 11.

I am now also selling my 2x remaining 8th Gen PCs (i8500/i9500), in anticipation, of the "sheep" flooding the market in October, with cheap ex corporate machines, with Win 10 Pro COA in BIOS/TPM 2.0, either single/dual Xeon V4 cpus.

I'm not a Windows gamer, so don't need 11th gen+ architecture.

Bree · 2025-07-13T09:57:57-0400

Hazel123 said:
This is the 11.6" Core i5 with 8gb ram. It has a lovely screen and a horrible keyboard - hard to find anything that has everything right! HP elitebook revolve 810 G1

Hazel123 said:
It's still not actually that small! 10" is small.

There are two 11" 2-in-1 convertibles that I've had, used, and like. The Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1 and the Lenovo Yoga 11e. Both have nice keyboards and were typically supplied with embedded keys for W10 Pro (or Pro Education which also activates Pro).

Both are fully W11 compatible (the Lenovo Yoga 11e from 5th gen on). RAM is soldered, 4GB or 8GB. Avoid the lowest spec models with 64GB/128GB eMMC, the top of the range had M2 NVMe. Good used examples of either can be found for around £70.

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Hazel123 · 2025-07-13T10:01:27-0400

I did actually try the Dell latitude 11 (and the HP equivalent) and yes very nice - however they have tougened glass, low resolution screens - the text was too faint and difficult to read generally. Which was disappointing.

Hazel123 · 2025-07-13T10:05:20-0400

The Lenovo thinkpad 11e looks interesting ............

XxXxX · 2025-07-13T10:33:11-0400

i have a strong feeling many wont bother to get a new computer but invest in a bigger and better smart phone
as most of the younger generation along with many others now just use their phone for internet access
along with any apps which can include MS office and general day to day usage.

i think MS are shooting themselves in the foot but thats the MS way.
best of luck, Steve ..

Hazel123 · 2025-07-13T10:36:00-0400

Students love laptops for college though

gunrunnerjohn · 2025-07-13T10:39:28-0400

I'm constantly amused with the "how low can you go" discussions.

While I don't doubt you can run Windows 11 on some pretty slow and low obsolete hardware if so desired, the question you have to ask is: Is it worth it? Personally, I like my machine to be more responsive for all my applications.

I had an HP Envy H8 with the Core i7-3770 and 24GB of memory, the GPU was the NVIDIA GeForce GT 640. It seemed like like at least a decent configuration at the time, that was around nine years ago. However, my 3D design and PCB design software was sometimes painfully slow, especially for larger projects. Also, even applications like browsers took a few seconds to initialize. When it was finally time to upgrade to Windows 11, I had no compunction about leaving this system behind. With a 4-5 x processor boost and around a 20x boost in GPU speed, I think I can live with this system for a while.

I actually have one of those "how low can you go" computers with Windows 11, it's a micro-PC with the Intel N150 processor. In an amusing twist, the little N150 actually holds it's own against the Core I7 processor, it's amazing how far things have progressed. My little Micro-PC is close to parity with a mainstream desktop from 8-9 years ago, and it has much faster NVMe drive, and faster USB ports. The N150 embedded GPU also supports higher resolution graphics!

Hazel123 · 2025-07-13T10:49:04-0400

What is your n150 micro pc please?

gunrunnerjohn · 2025-07-13T11:18:20-0400

Hazel123 said:
What is your n150 micro pc please?

It's the ACEMAGIC Mini Pc Computers, Intel Twin Lake N150(Turbo 3.6GHz), 16GB DDR4 RAM 1TB PCIe M.2 SSD, it was a bit cheaper when Amazon was having Prime Days. It's going to be a video controller for a remote screen or two in my train room.

Just finishing up all the configuration, last step is getting it to connect to my NAS.

kelper · 2025-07-13T11:51:48-0400

Half of these will actually be able to run Windows 11 with a workaround or bypass. Many of the others could run Linux. They won't all go to the tip.

gunrunnerjohn · 2025-07-13T12:27:04-0400

kelper said:
Half of these will actually be able to run Windows 11 with a workaround or bypass. Many of the others could run Linux. They won't all go to the tip.

I'm sure I could have installed Win11 on my old HP, but I figured after all those years, it didn't owe me anything and I deserved to treat myself to something better. I'm enjoying the 45" wide-screen monitor too, that wasn't supported by my old computer.

cereberus · 2025-07-13T12:40:42-0400

People confuse obsolete with obsolescent.

The millions of pcs that cannot run Windows 11 are not obsolete as they can still run other OS, or even remain on Windows 10 albeit not supported.

For example, phones that only support 3G in UK are obsolescent until O2 (last 3g network) switches off 3G. The phones will then be obsolete.

People will carry on using the obsolescent pcs - in fact they can never really become obsolete untill parts cannot be replaced.

Of course, in time most of these devices will end up on the scrapheap.

TraderGary · 2025-07-13T13:06:11-0400

I've been here since the beginning and I too have fond memories of what came before. But I can't live with antique hardware and antique software. I love Windows 11 and I love my new computer. For me this is the best of everything.

Edwin · 2025-07-13T13:12:24-0400

The 80's were the best years of my life!
Barely into computers, no cell phones, no social networking, awesome music, great movies, cute girls.........

cheaterslick · 2025-07-13T13:19:27-0400

pseymour said:
Or you can ESU for $30 or less.

Which I plan to do.

And for people out there who think $30 is too much? BFD... It's worth it, imo....

And past ESRs have lasted 3 years or so, so October isn't the end of the world.

~

Oh and btw, you can still install 24H2 on unsupported hardware. You'll just have to manually go into the Microsoft Catalog and look for updates every month.

Good times...

Hazel123 · 2025-07-13T13:20:14-0400

TraderGary said:
I've been here since the beginning and I too have fond memories of what came before. But I can't live with antique hardware and antique software. I love Windows 11 and I love my new computer. For me this is the best of everything.

For me/us it started with frugality

We just couldn't afford a new one. So I started buying secondhand and reinstalling - and it became a bit of a bug. So we then had a laptop each, a netbook for the boy, and by then netbooks were being sold for between £20 and £40 - usually because XP didn't fit on them any more. So I'd buy a load of those, put linux on them and sell them again (didn't really make a profit! But enough to keep buying spare parts). Then with the 10" netbooks with Windows 7 on I'd buy up those and upgrade them to Windows 10 and sell them on again (very small profit). It kept in computers for a number of years! And I still have a couple of boxfulls of computer parts - many of which are probably now obsolete!.

Children are expensive!

cheaterslick · 2025-07-13T13:29:39-0400

A Guy said:
BTW, the analogy of replacing CRT TVs for flat screens doesn't fly. Very few HAD to change. They changed because they needed a new TV, or actually wanted a flat panel. There were 16:9 CRT TVs for HD if people wanted. Very few preferred the CRT TV, it was a matter of affording a new TV

I tried getting a 25" Sony CRT (I bought it in 1993) fixed a few years back and the TV repair shop said they no longer make parts for it.

That was the end of that.

So yes, I HAD to change. Just one of the examples out there.

gunrunnerjohn · 2025-07-13T13:30:19-0400

Hazel123 said:
For me/us it started with frugality We just couldn't afford a new one. So I started buying secondhand and reinstalling - and it became a bit of a bug. So we then had a laptop each, a netbook for the boy, and by then netbooks were being sold for between £20 and £40 - usually because XP didn't fit on them any more. So I'd buy a load of those, put linux on them and sell them again (didn't really make a profit! But enough to keep buying spare parts). Then with the 10" netbooks with Windows 7 on I'd buy up those and upgrade them to Windows 10 and sell them on again (very small profit). It kept in computers for a number of years! And I still have a couple of boxfulls of computer parts - many of which are probably now obsolete!.

Children are expensive!

Well, I worked all my life and raised two kids and put them through school. I also started my retirement fund in my early 30's so I'd be able to be reasonably comfortable when I retired. That includes having the funds to keep reasonably current with all my toys, including my computers.

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