Insider KB5045889 Windows 11 Insider Beta build 22635.4440 (23H2) - Nov. 1

fg2001gf11F · Nov 2, 2024

Almighty1 said:
@hsehestedt wrote a excellent tool that can display the version of the WinRE from the ISO itself which I haven't tried yet as I am still building my 22635.4440 UUP Dump ISO as I am writing this. In that same thread, it is also seen that the ISO as in the case with Release Preview, the ISO build is actually newer than the WinRE.

I think you can already see the version from the UUPDUMP ISO with a dism command.

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:E:\sources\install.wim /index:1

Their WimRE is always the same level as the Build#.

B.T.W.
reagentc /disable is not good for the purpose of keeping the whole recovery on the C: volume it actually gives very limited recovery options and no command prompt.

Almighty1 · Nov 2, 2024

LOL, my system just made it to adding the WinRE to the ISO build...

I had never used WinRE with reagentc /disable as this was what I read @cereberus and others work, ofcourse it never said how it actually worked or if it was limited.

Almighty1 · Nov 3, 2024

I just tried dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile

:\sources\install.wim /index:1

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 10.0.22621.2706

Details for image : D:\sources\install.wim

Index : 1
Name : Windows 11 Home
Description : Windows 11 Home
Size : 24,482,130,966 bytes
WIM Bootable : No
Architecture : x64
Hal : <undefined>
Version : 10.0.22635
ServicePack Build : 4440
ServicePack Level : 0
Edition : Core
Installation : Client
ProductType : WinNT
ProductSuite : Terminal Server
System Root : WINDOWS
Directories : 34831
Files : 139908
Created : 11/2/2024 - 7:22:19 PM
Modified : 11/2/2024 - 8:44:00 PM
Languages :
en-US (Default)

The operation completed successfully.

So not sure if the Build shown is for the WinRE or just the OS in general.

As it's similar to in PowerShell:
$ubr_version =(Get-ItemProperty "HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion").UBR
echo "$ubr_version"

will show the current installed build but not the WinRE build as the WinRE build will always use 22621 and not 22635.

fg2001gf11F · Nov 3, 2024

Almighty1 said:
I just tried dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:\sources\install.wim /index:1

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 10.0.22621.2706

Details for image : D:\sources\install.wim

Index : 1
Name : Windows 11 Home
Description : Windows 11 Home
Size : 24,482,130,966 bytes
WIM Bootable : No
Architecture : x64
Hal : <undefined>
Version : 10.0.22635
ServicePack Build : 4440
ServicePack Level : 0
Edition : Core
Installation : Client
ProductType : WinNT
ProductSuite : Terminal Server
System Root : WINDOWS
Directories : 34831
Files : 139908
Created : 11/2/2024 - 7:22:19 PM
Modified : 11/2/2024 - 8:44:00 PM
Languages :
en-US (Default)

The operation completed successfully.

So not sure if the Build shown is for the WinRE or just the OS in general.

As it's similar to in PowerShell:
$ubr_version =(Get-ItemProperty "HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion").UBR
echo "$ubr_version"

will show the current installed build but not the WinRE build as the WinRE build will always use 22621 and not 22635.

That is for the OS, but I think UUPDUMP usually matches the same for WinRE too. Should be 22621.4440, the base Build is still 22621.

Different story for MS official ISOs, they are usually way behind.

Where is the tool you mentioned to see the WinRE level from the ISO?

As expected:

kiwisteve · Nov 3, 2024

After this update, I'm having trouble disabling Copilot in Word. I don't need it; just gets in the way but after much searching for how to disable it, I've come up with nothing? Has anyone got an answer for this, please?

fg2001gf11F · Nov 3, 2024

kiwisteve said:
After this update, I'm having trouble disabling Copilot in Word. I don't need it; just gets in the way but after much searching for how to disable it, I've come up with nothing? Has anyone got an answer for this, please?

I don't have Copilot in Word, but I'm not using Office 365, and I work offline with word.

Just uninstall Copilot if you don't use it.

See the link at the bottom of this post for other ways to disable it in Word.

See this link for ways to disable it in Word documents:

How do I turn off Copilot in Word documents?

I don't need Copilot in my word documents and I don't need the copilot icon stalking me on every page when I begin to type. Its very distracting. How..

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MeD0 · Nov 3, 2024

Done

Brink · Nov 3, 2024

If you want to check out the modernized Windows Hello experience + passkey flows in this week's Beta CU (22635.4440), enable the ID below. Some of the updated visuals shown below. (feature name: CredUI_Rejuvenation)

You'll also get new visuals on the login screen if you use a PIN:

vivetool /enable /id:42941381

(enable 48433719 and reboot if this doesn't work.)

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fg2001gf11F · Nov 3, 2024

Brink said:
If you want to check out the modernized Windows Hello experience + passkey flows in this week's Beta CU (22635.4440), enable the ID below. Some of the updated visuals shown below. (feature name: CredUI_Rejuvenation)

You'll also get new visuals on the login screen if you use a PIN:

vivetool /enable /id:42941381

(enable 48433719 and reboot if this doesn't work.)

]

Both already enabled, but I don't see the new stuff‍.

Almighty1 · Nov 3, 2024

fg2001gf11F said:
That is for the OS, but I think UUPDUMP usually matches the same for WinRE too. Should be 22621.4440, the base Build is still 22621.
Different story for MS official ISOs, they are usually way behind.
Where is the tool you mentioned to see the WinRE level from the ISO?

As expected:
View attachment 115042

The tool is in the post here under option 2. What I meant was it seems the UUP Dump is in post #115 in that thread, the UUP Dump ISO for the latest released version of 24H2 (26100.2161), the WinRE actually lags behind at 26100.2003 and not 26100.2161 and also confirmed by post #120 in that same thread.

In the last screenshot above, is that actually a Windows Update or a ISO install?

fg2001gf11F · Nov 3, 2024

Almighty1 said:
The tool is in the post here under option 2. What I meant was it seems the UUP Dump is in post #115 in that thread, the UUP Dump ISO for the latest released version of 24H2 (26100.2161), the WinRE actually lags behind at 26100.2003 and not 26100.2161 and also confirmed by post #120 in that same thread.

In the last screenshot above, is that actually a Windows Update or a ISO install?

The 22621.4440 WinRE was an Update in place with UUPDUMP ISO. The .4440 matches the Build 22635.4440.

I already showed earlier the one done with Windows Update which was 22621.4305.

I did not try UUPDUMP ISO 26100.2161. It may just be an anomaly.

There are 2 different ones on 10/24 and 10/28.

You just saw that in this Beta the WinRe and the Build are both are .4440.

This one on Build 26100.2161, was updated with W.U. from 26100.1742. WinRE shows 26100.2003.

This is building from uupdump 26100.2161, this time WinRE is still updated just to 26100.2003.

Never consistent results.

kiwisteve · Nov 3, 2024

kiwisteve said:
After this update, I'm having trouble disabling Copilot in Word. I don't need it; just gets in the way but after much searching for how to disable it, I've come up with nothing? Has anyone got an answer for this, please?

I kept on searching through a lot of angry, frustrated posts and eventually found how to "switch off" copilot in Office 365 (I don't have Copilot installed in Windows). In my case, I open Word then navigate to Account Settings - Privacy Settings and uncheck the following two options:

kiwisteve · Nov 3, 2024

fg2001gf11F said:
I don't have Copilot in Word, but I'm not using Office 365, and I work offline with word.
Just uninstall Copilot if you don't use it.
See the link at the bottom of this post for other ways to disable it in Word.

View attachment 115043
View attachment 115045
View attachment 115046

See this link for ways to disable it in Word documents:

How do I turn off Copilot in Word documents?

I don't need Copilot in my word documents and I don't need the copilot icon stalking me on every page when I begin to type. Its very distracting. How..

techcommunity.microsoft.com

Thanks for the input. I don't have Copilot installed in Windows. I've updated my post with the solution that I eventually found

fg2001gf11F · Nov 3, 2024

kiwisteve said:
I kept on searching through a lot of angry, frustrated posts and eventually found how to "switch off" copilot in Office 365 (I don't have Copilot installed in Windows). In my case, I open Word then navigate to Account Settings - Privacy Settings and uncheck the following two options:

In my case those 2 options are set on, but they don't cause any problem using word.

Maybe because I'm not a 365 subscriber and I never log in to office.

kiwisteve · Nov 3, 2024

kiwisteve said:
I kept on searching through a lot of angry, frustrated posts and eventually found how to "switch off" copilot in Office 365 (I don't have Copilot installed in Windows). In my case, I open Word then navigate to Account Settings - Privacy Settings and uncheck the following two options:
View attachment 115123

After editing my documents for a while, I realised that the "All connected experiences" option needs to be checked, if you're using Onedrive, which I am. No big deal. I turned it back on. The CoPilot symbol does continue to show on new lines but disappears as soon as I type, so not a problem.

fg2001gf11F · Nov 3, 2024

kiwisteve said:
After editing my documents for a while, I realised that the "All connected experiences" option needs to be checked, if you're using Onedrive, which I am. No big deal. I turned it back on. The CoPilot symbol does continue to show on new lines but disappears as soon as I type, so not a problem.

That is another difference, I never use one drive.
I don't trust putting my documents on the cloud. I save and backup locally.

Almighty1 · Nov 3, 2024

fg2001gf11F said:
The 22621.4440 WinRE was an Update in place with UUPDUMP ISO. The .4440 matches the Build 22635.4440.

I already showed earlier the one done with Windows Update which was 22621.4305.
View attachment 115105

I did not try UUPDUMP ISO 26100.2161. It may just be an anomaly.
There are 2 different ones on 10/24 and 10/28.
View attachment 115117

You just saw that in this Beta the WinRe and the Build are both are .4440.

This one on Build 26100.2161, was updated with W.U. from 26100.1742. WinRE shows 26100.2003.
View attachment 115119

This is building from uupdump 26100.2161, this time WinRE is still updated just to 26100.2003.
Never consistent results.
View attachment 115134

I think a big problem is Microsoft does not do things like they say:
What is interesting is Microsoft here says under the "Check the WinRE image version", it does say the following:
"Make sure that the ServicePackBuild is greater than or equal to the UBR for the update that you added. For example, for Windows 11, version 22H2, the November security update would show 819 as the SerivcePack Build, since full version number for that update is 22621.819.

If the version reported is an earlier version, this indicates the Windows RE image is not up to date.
If the reported version is the same or a later version, no action is needed."

UBR I would assume is basically the installed build of the OS so it seems for Windows Update, WinRE from both what you posted and my expereince here, the last time Windows Update updated WinRE was with 22635.4305.

kiwisteve · Nov 3, 2024

fg2001gf11F said:
That is another difference, I never use one drive.
I don't trust putting my documents on the cloud. I save and backup locally.

Onedrive allows me to have access to the latest files across multiple PCs in real time. I also backup locally as a precaution

fg2001gf11F · Nov 3, 2024

Almighty1 said:
I think a big problem is Microsoft does not do things like they say:
What is interesting is Microsoft here says under the "Check the WinRE image version", it does say the following:
"Make sure that the ServicePackBuild is greater than or equal to the UBR for the update that you added. For example, for Windows 11, version 22H2, the November security update would show 819 as the SerivcePack Build, since full version number for that update is 22621.819.

If the version reported is an earlier version, this indicates the Windows RE image is not up to date.
If the reported version is the same or a later version, no action is needed."

UBR I would assume is basically the installed build of the OS so it seems for Windows Update, WinRE from both what you posted and my expereince here, the last time Windows Update updated WinRE was with 22635.4305.

In this particular case of 26100.2161 the update in place with uupdump ISO 26100.2161 still used WinRE 26100.2003 which is the only update to WinRE that I saw applied when I built the ISO.
As for the tool to see directly the version of WinRE from the ISO, I'll pass for now, seems like an extra complication which I don't really need to install on my machines.
B.T.W.
Building 26100.2161 ISO from uupdump took the longest time I ever experienced in several months.
A few hours just to build the ISO.

Windows PE was updated to .2161, as it shows on CMD prompt when booting from the installation media.

If I boot up in Recovery it still shows 26100.1.

Almighty1 · Nov 3, 2024

fg2001gf11F said:
In this particular case of 26100.2161 the update in place with uupdump ISO 26100.2161 still used WinRE 26100.2003 which is the only update to WinRE that I saw applied when I built the ISO.
As for the tool to see directly the version of WinRE from the ISO, I'll pass for now, seems like an extra complication which I don't really need to install on my machines.
B.T.W.
Building 26100.2161 ISO from uupdump took the longest time I ever experienced in several months.
A few hours just to build the ISO.
View attachment 115158
View attachment 115152

Windows PE was updated to .2161, as it shows on CMD prompt when booting from the installation media.

If I boot up in Recovery it still shows 26100.1.

I have not used the tool yet either but I'll probably try it when I actually have some time available just to gain the experience of using it. Building the last 2-3 builds of Beta Insiders from UUP Dump seems to take forever. The other thing is Windows Update is supposed to keep the WinRE up to date because as seen in the thread where I wrote my last response here, it appears that unless the WinRE is 22621.4317 or later, Microsoft's security updates that claims a August 13, 2024 or later WinRE will fail so unless one installed from the UUP Dump ISO for versions after 22635.4305, they will not be able to apply the security update successfully without the system unable to boot back into Windows.

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