Licensing clone of retail machine on OEM hardware?


gnorm

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I have a Dell M4800 that is used for weekly live media production. It is Win 10 Pro retail license.

I want to make a second machine to have as a backup. I acquired a second Dell M4800 that has an OEM Win 10 pro license.

Instead of doing a new install on the OEM machine, I cloned the retail machine's drive and put it in the OEM machine. This makes it directly swappable in case the first machine fails. The cloned drive boots in the OEM machine. Now to license it.

I tried using a old Win 7 Pro retail key from a junked computer. Windows said no.

I extracted the OEM key from the OEM M4800 with
> wmic path softwareLicensingService get OA3xOriginalProductKey
and entered that key in the Activation screen, but Windows said "no" to that, too.

How can I license this OEM machine? Again: it is an OEM machine with a drive cloned from a Retail machine.

If I purchase a retail license, will it work on this OEM machine with the drive cloned from a retail machine?

I know I still have the option of a fresh install followed by hours of careful configuration of the new machine to match the first machine, but I'd rather not go that route.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
This is a Windows 11 forum so don't know if it will apply to a Windows 10 machine but generally in times/versions past an OEM version of the software Product Key wouldn't properly install or activate on a Retail version of the software, and the opposite would also apply. I had tried it with a Dell-branded version of Windows 7 on a self-built machine, didn't work. As far as what I've worked on with Win8/8.1 and Win10 there was no COA sticker on the OEM computers, had the requirement built into the BIOS. One might be able to get Win10 working then go into System and locate the Activation then change the product key. The OEM version is intended for only the machine it came with and the Retail version could be used on a Replacement machine but not both at the same time. The free upgrades of Win7/8/8.1 to Win10 have been discontinued, fortunately for me I had already upgraded the machines desired.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro RTM
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
    Memory
    12GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA, using a DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dell
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 2TB WDC HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security
Windows 10 and 11 OEM and Retail versions are now completely interchangeable (as long as the edition is the same, Home or Pro, etc.).
What are the results of:
slmgr /dlv




Capture5.jpg
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!
Thanks for the reply.

Here is the output of slmgr /dlv:
1699912388757.png

Also note this is an OEM machine, and OA3xOriginalProductKey returns:

C:\WINDOWS\system32>wmic path softwarelicensingservice get OA3xOriginalProductKey
OA3xOriginalProductKey
VN2BJ-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-VCC7P

which does not correspond to the 3V66T from slmgr /dlv

The machine that is the source of the clone (the "retail machine") also gives /dlv: 3V66T. Which does not correspond to the COA sticker under its battery. If any of this makes sense to you, please explain, because I am confused.

My main question remains:

If I purchase a new Retail key, will it work on this OEM machine with its its cloned Retail drive?

If I spend the money, I want to have some confidence that the money will not be wasted.

Thanks again,
Norm
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell
    Memory
    16 GB
You need to run the product key that wmic returned through a key checker to see what edition it is for. I recommend showkey plus.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!
I don't understand why did you change the license key on the second computer. Both has Win 10 pro license so it doesn't matter if it was originally a Retail or OEM.
NavyLCDR is expert but I think that if you change the cloned license to a generic pro license it will activate.
 
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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 7 HP 64 - Windows 11 Pro - Lubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom build
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Win 11
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    (4) -1 BX500 SSD - 128G for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
  • Operating System
    Windows 7 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Q550LF
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
    & 1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    350 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
My experience may be relevant to the discussion.

I use a desktop with windows 11profession.

I have a lenovo 14 inch laptop with windows 11 professional.

I only use the laptop during prolonged vacation. I like to clone y desktop system to the Lenovo.

I make and Macrium reflect image and store it on an external ssd.

I then restore the image to my Lenovo laptop.

My desktop is full of icons (old school) and it all identical on the Lenovo.

I have to delete a few small programs. I rename the laptop. It gets activated automatically.

I am attaching a picture of my desktop
 

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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    No Name - Assembled by a Compute shop in a Strip Mall.
    CPU
    Intel i511400
    Motherboard
    ASUS PRIME B560-PLUS motherboard
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    0
    Sound Card
    0
    Monitor(s) Displays
    28 in Samsung
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    6 SSDs a mixture of 3 Nvme and 3 Sata.
    PSU
    600w
    Case
    Antec- VSK4000E-U3 Mid Tower
    Internet Speed
    40 MPS download and 3.5 MPS upload. The condo building is nor wired with Fibe yet
    Browser
    Firefox, Microsoft Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
I don't understand why did you change the license key on the second computer. Both has Win 10 pro license so it doesn't matter if it was originally a Retail or OEM.
NavyLCDR is expert but I think that if you change the cloned license to a generic pro license it will activate.
The product key will change to the generic on its own due to any one of a number of reasons. Another MS mystery.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!

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