Microsoft Edge loads all your saved passwords into memory in cleartext — even when you’re not using them.


If Microsoft would make a minor change in memory handling, such as clear the credential in memory when passed to the web site, and only load what is needed with keeping everything else encrypted (like Firefox; Google Chrome is close to that), this would solve the problem.

Remember that Microsoft Edge usage is around 11.5% market share while Google Chrome has 71.5% market share. So this Microsoft Edge problem is minor, but a big security concern. As I read somewhere else, this can be easily corrected but Microsoft does not want to put the effort in to security improvements on Edge.
 

My Computers My Computers

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    Windows 11 ProAMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/sAMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 16 Plus DB16255
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS
    Motherboard
    Dell 0PKMHG
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    Sound Card
    Stereo speakers (2.5 W x 2 = 5 W total peak)/Realtek SounzReal/Dolby Atmos
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Displays: 16" 1920 x 1200 (Full HD+/WUXGA) 300 nits 60Hz *** Samsung - 27” Odyssey FHD IPS 240Hz G-Sync Gaming Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    EG6 KIOXIA 1TB NVME
    Case
    Ice Blue
    Cooling
    "dual-fan" or "enhanced" air-cooling system
    Mouse
    Logitech M650 Wireless/Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    800/600 Fiber
  • Computer type
    Laptop
There are some Microsoft Edge users not happy with Microsoft right now. I told the company that Microsoft knows about this security flaw and failed to addressed it. That is not going over well right now.

What is VoidStealer.lyca?
  • Target: It aims to steal sensitive data, such as session cookies and stored credentials, specifically bypassing Chrome's App-Bound Encryption (ABE).
  • Method: Unlike traditional malware, this trojan uses a debugger-based technique (similar to the ElevationKatz project) to read browser memory, making it a "stealthier" alternative to traditional code injection.
  • Origin: Recent reports indicate it can start with a legitimate process like chrome.exe or msedge.exe, with malicious behavior appearing hours or days later.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProAMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/sAMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 16 Plus DB16255
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS
    Motherboard
    Dell 0PKMHG
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    Sound Card
    Stereo speakers (2.5 W x 2 = 5 W total peak)/Realtek SounzReal/Dolby Atmos
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Displays: 16" 1920 x 1200 (Full HD+/WUXGA) 300 nits 60Hz *** Samsung - 27” Odyssey FHD IPS 240Hz G-Sync Gaming Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    EG6 KIOXIA 1TB NVME
    Case
    Ice Blue
    Cooling
    "dual-fan" or "enhanced" air-cooling system
    Mouse
    Logitech M650 Wireless/Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    800/600 Fiber
  • Computer type
    Laptop
From Copilot:

Microsoft Defender detects and removes the VoidStealer family, including variants such as “VoidStealer.lyca,” under its current threat signatures.
 

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  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProIntel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/sIntel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 DA16260
    CPU
    Intel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H
    Memory
    64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" 3.2K Tandem OLED Infinity Edge
    Screen Resolution
    3200 x 2000 16:10 236 PPI
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
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    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
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    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    NPU delivering 67 TOPS
    Microsoft 365 subscription
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    Microsoft Sysinternals Suite
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProSnapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NP...32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/sIntegrated Adreno GPU
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Snapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NPU delivering 45 TOPS
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/s
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Adreno GPU
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.8″ PixelSense Flow touchscreen 120 Hz 600 NIT
    Screen Resolution
    2304 × 1536 (201 PPI), 3:2 aspect ratio
    Hard Drives
    1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
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    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
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    Microsoft Sysinternals
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
From Copilot:

Microsoft Defender detects and removes the VoidStealer family, including variants such as “VoidStealer.lyca,” under its current threat signatures.
I'm hoping the infection/threat got stopped before it got any information. Not sure how one would know if they scraped the memory for password information.
 

My Computers My Computers

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    Windows 11 ProAMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/sAMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 16 Plus DB16255
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS
    Motherboard
    Dell 0PKMHG
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    Sound Card
    Stereo speakers (2.5 W x 2 = 5 W total peak)/Realtek SounzReal/Dolby Atmos
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Displays: 16" 1920 x 1200 (Full HD+/WUXGA) 300 nits 60Hz *** Samsung - 27” Odyssey FHD IPS 240Hz G-Sync Gaming Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    EG6 KIOXIA 1TB NVME
    Case
    Ice Blue
    Cooling
    "dual-fan" or "enhanced" air-cooling system
    Mouse
    Logitech M650 Wireless/Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    800/600 Fiber
  • Computer type
    Laptop
I'm hoping the infection/threat got stopped before it got any information. Not sure how one would know if they scraped the memory for password information.
If you are concerned, change passwords for anything financial or critical.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProIntel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/sIntel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 DA16260
    CPU
    Intel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H
    Memory
    64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" 3.2K Tandem OLED Infinity Edge
    Screen Resolution
    3200 x 2000 16:10 236 PPI
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    NPU delivering 67 TOPS
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft Sysinternals Suite
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProSnapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NP...32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/sIntegrated Adreno GPU
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Snapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NPU delivering 45 TOPS
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/s
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Adreno GPU
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.8″ PixelSense Flow touchscreen 120 Hz 600 NIT
    Screen Resolution
    2304 × 1536 (201 PPI), 3:2 aspect ratio
    Hard Drives
    1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription (Office)
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio 2026
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Microsoft Sysinternals
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
I would never trust a browser to be a password manager. Personally, I use 1Password.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProIntel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/sIntel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 DA16260
    CPU
    Intel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H
    Memory
    64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" 3.2K Tandem OLED Infinity Edge
    Screen Resolution
    3200 x 2000 16:10 236 PPI
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    NPU delivering 67 TOPS
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft Sysinternals Suite
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProSnapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NP...32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/sIntegrated Adreno GPU
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Snapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NPU delivering 45 TOPS
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/s
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Adreno GPU
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.8″ PixelSense Flow touchscreen 120 Hz 600 NIT
    Screen Resolution
    2304 × 1536 (201 PPI), 3:2 aspect ratio
    Hard Drives
    1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription (Office)
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio 2026
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Microsoft Sysinternals
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
If you are concerned, change passwords for anything financial or critical.
That is a very common first step any more.

This is starting to make me think more about using passkeys. Even if they did get the passkey out of the memory or password manager, all of the passkey is not there (unless that has changed recently).
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProAMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/sAMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 16 Plus DB16255
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS
    Motherboard
    Dell 0PKMHG
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    Sound Card
    Stereo speakers (2.5 W x 2 = 5 W total peak)/Realtek SounzReal/Dolby Atmos
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Displays: 16" 1920 x 1200 (Full HD+/WUXGA) 300 nits 60Hz *** Samsung - 27” Odyssey FHD IPS 240Hz G-Sync Gaming Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    EG6 KIOXIA 1TB NVME
    Case
    Ice Blue
    Cooling
    "dual-fan" or "enhanced" air-cooling system
    Mouse
    Logitech M650 Wireless/Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    800/600 Fiber
  • Computer type
    Laptop
That is a very common first step any more.

This is starting to make me think more about using passkeys. Even if they did get the passkey out of the memory or password manager, all of the passkey is not there (unless that has changed recently).
I use passkeys wherever available.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProIntel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/sIntel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 DA16260
    CPU
    Intel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H
    Memory
    64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" 3.2K Tandem OLED Infinity Edge
    Screen Resolution
    3200 x 2000 16:10 236 PPI
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    NPU delivering 67 TOPS
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft Sysinternals Suite
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProSnapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NP...32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/sIntegrated Adreno GPU
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Snapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NPU delivering 45 TOPS
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/s
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Adreno GPU
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.8″ PixelSense Flow touchscreen 120 Hz 600 NIT
    Screen Resolution
    2304 × 1536 (201 PPI), 3:2 aspect ratio
    Hard Drives
    1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription (Office)
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio 2026
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Microsoft Sysinternals
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
I use passkeys wherever available.

As I found out through some research, this Microsoft Edge memory issue is not new. Microsoft Edge (prior to using the Chromium code) stored all password information in plain text in memory. Back in 2017-2018 a bunch of scripts were available to read everything out of memory (just a few lines of code). There was nothing really mentioned about this "security" flaw. Microsoft Edge is based on the Chormium code and it is a much bigger issue. Just something I found out about and there is a blog I found that detailed all of this. I just can't find the darn link again. I didn't think I would want to save that web site/blog I found.

Passkeys are slightly better, but they still have a big flaw in them. Nothing is 100% secure, but passkeys are less prone to stealing/hacking.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProAMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/sAMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 16 Plus DB16255
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS
    Motherboard
    Dell 0PKMHG
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    Sound Card
    Stereo speakers (2.5 W x 2 = 5 W total peak)/Realtek SounzReal/Dolby Atmos
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Displays: 16" 1920 x 1200 (Full HD+/WUXGA) 300 nits 60Hz *** Samsung - 27” Odyssey FHD IPS 240Hz G-Sync Gaming Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    EG6 KIOXIA 1TB NVME
    Case
    Ice Blue
    Cooling
    "dual-fan" or "enhanced" air-cooling system
    Mouse
    Logitech M650 Wireless/Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    800/600 Fiber
  • Computer type
    Laptop
Granted, "Theoretically" nothing is 100% secure. However, I do trust my security to the AES 256-bit encryption used by 1Password. It's never been broken other than theoretically. It's also encrypted locally.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProIntel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/sIntel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 DA16260
    CPU
    Intel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H
    Memory
    64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" 3.2K Tandem OLED Infinity Edge
    Screen Resolution
    3200 x 2000 16:10 236 PPI
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    NPU delivering 67 TOPS
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft Sysinternals Suite
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProSnapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NP...32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/sIntegrated Adreno GPU
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Snapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NPU delivering 45 TOPS
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/s
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Adreno GPU
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.8″ PixelSense Flow touchscreen 120 Hz 600 NIT
    Screen Resolution
    2304 × 1536 (201 PPI), 3:2 aspect ratio
    Hard Drives
    1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription (Office)
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio 2026
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Microsoft Sysinternals
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
Granted, "Theoretically" nothing is 100% secure. However, I do trust my security to the AES 256-bit encryption used by 1Password. It's never been broken other than theoretically. It's also encrypted locally.
As I hear from my clients every so often: "All this security in Windows and one wrong mouse click the hacker got everything." LOL.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProAMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/sAMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 16 Plus DB16255
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS
    Motherboard
    Dell 0PKMHG
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    Sound Card
    Stereo speakers (2.5 W x 2 = 5 W total peak)/Realtek SounzReal/Dolby Atmos
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Displays: 16" 1920 x 1200 (Full HD+/WUXGA) 300 nits 60Hz *** Samsung - 27” Odyssey FHD IPS 240Hz G-Sync Gaming Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    EG6 KIOXIA 1TB NVME
    Case
    Ice Blue
    Cooling
    "dual-fan" or "enhanced" air-cooling system
    Mouse
    Logitech M650 Wireless/Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    800/600 Fiber
  • Computer type
    Laptop
As I hear from my clients every so often: "All this security in Windows and one wrong mouse click the hacker got everything." LOL.
Yup, a lot of people give the hackers everything every day. Incredibly, a large percentage don't even have a backup strategy.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProIntel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/sIntel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 DA16260
    CPU
    Intel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H
    Memory
    64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" 3.2K Tandem OLED Infinity Edge
    Screen Resolution
    3200 x 2000 16:10 236 PPI
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    NPU delivering 67 TOPS
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft Sysinternals Suite
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProSnapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NP...32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/sIntegrated Adreno GPU
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Snapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NPU delivering 45 TOPS
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/s
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Adreno GPU
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.8″ PixelSense Flow touchscreen 120 Hz 600 NIT
    Screen Resolution
    2304 × 1536 (201 PPI), 3:2 aspect ratio
    Hard Drives
    1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription (Office)
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio 2026
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Microsoft Sysinternals
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
Incredibly, a large percentage don't even have a backup strategy.
So true. I know many users pay for a backup service, such as Carbonite, and do not have it set up or configured correctly. I have recovered many systems where the user fails to back up their systems. Once I get their systems running again, I setup Carbonite or whatever backup service they use for them to make sure it is backed up correctly. Then you run in to those users, they cancel the subscription for the online backups because they thought they did not use it or have it, and no more backups. When they need to recovery something, I have to tell them that they canceled their subscription X months ago and no backups. LOL.
 

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    Windows 11 ProAMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/sAMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 16 Plus DB16255
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS
    Motherboard
    Dell 0PKMHG
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    Sound Card
    Stereo speakers (2.5 W x 2 = 5 W total peak)/Realtek SounzReal/Dolby Atmos
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Displays: 16" 1920 x 1200 (Full HD+/WUXGA) 300 nits 60Hz *** Samsung - 27” Odyssey FHD IPS 240Hz G-Sync Gaming Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    EG6 KIOXIA 1TB NVME
    Case
    Ice Blue
    Cooling
    "dual-fan" or "enhanced" air-cooling system
    Mouse
    Logitech M650 Wireless/Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    800/600 Fiber
  • Computer type
    Laptop
I've often thought that a person should be required to pass a basic intelligence test before they are allowed to buy a computer.
 

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    Windows 11 ProIntel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/sIntel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 16 DA16260
    CPU
    Intel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H
    Memory
    64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" 3.2K Tandem OLED Infinity Edge
    Screen Resolution
    3200 x 2000 16:10 236 PPI
    Hard Drives
    1 Terabyte M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    NPU delivering 67 TOPS
    Microsoft 365 subscription
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Microsoft Sysinternals Suite
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
    Dell Support Assist
    Dell Command | Update
    Macrium Reflect X subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
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    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Snapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NPU delivering 45 TOPS
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/s
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated Adreno GPU
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.8″ PixelSense Flow touchscreen 120 Hz 600 NIT
    Screen Resolution
    2304 × 1536 (201 PPI), 3:2 aspect ratio
    Hard Drives
    1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Black Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Vapor Chamber Cooling
    Mouse
    None
    Internet Speed
    942 Mbps Netgear Mesh + 2 Satellites
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Security (Defender)
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 subscription (Office)
    Microsoft Office 365
    Microsoft OneDrive 1TB Cloud
    Microsoft Visual Studio 2026
    Microsoft Visual Studio Code
    Interactive Brokers Trader Workstation
    Lightroom/Photoshop subscription
    1Password Password Manager
    Microsoft Sysinternals
    Amazon Kindle for PC
    Microsoft BitLocker
    Microsoft Copilot
Mozilla Firefox offers a distinct architectural advantage over Brave and Google Chrome regarding memory-level security, but this is only effective if you enable the Primary Password feature.
  • Firefox (with Primary Password): Firefox uses its own independent encryption layer. Even if you are logged into your computer, the passwords remain encrypted on your disk AND in your browser's memory until you manually type in your Primary Password.
  • Firefox: When you use a Primary Password, Firefox acts more like a dedicated manager (e.g., Bitwarden). 1 It keeps the decryption key itself encrypted. 2 When you close the browser, that "session" key is wiped from memory. To see your passwords again, you must re-enter the Primary Password. 3
So ... using HELLO (a medium password in my case) instead of a PrimaryPassword in FF does (a) not encrypt the passwords stored in FF PasswordManager? and (b) does not make it more difficult to scrape the contents of FF's PasswordManager?
 

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OS
W11 - 25H2 - 26200.8457 - Home.
Computer type
Laptop
Manufacturer/Model
Lenovo Ideapad 1 15ALC7 82R4
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 5500U with Radeon AMD, 21000 MHz
Memory
16 GB
Graphics Card(s)
AMD Radeon Graphics
Sound Card
AMD, REALTEK
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
SSD, 474 GB
Keyboard
German layout, standard PS/2
Mouse
Touchpad
Internet Speed
LAN, 50 MBit/s (down), 10 MBit/s (up)
Browser
FF with uBlock Origin feat. Surfshark
Antivirus
MS Defender (and careful surfing), sometimes VT online.
Other Info
BIOS (UEFI) JTCN60WW (10.04.2025), secure boot
So ... using HELLO (a medium password in my case) instead of a PrimaryPassword in FF does (a) not encrypt the passwords stored in FF PasswordManager? and (b) does not make it more difficult to scrape the contents of FF's PasswordManager?
Here is what Google Gemini has on Firefox:

When you use a Primary Password in Firefox, it fundamentally changes how your credentials are stored both on your disk and in your system's memory. Without it, your passwords are encrypted using a key that is accessible to anyone logged into your computer profile; with it, they are truly "locked" behind your custom password.
Here is how the encryption process works when a Primary Password is enabled:

1. Storage on Disk (Triple-Layer Protection)

When you enable a Primary Password, Firefox uses the SDR (Secret Data Recovery) mechanism to protect your logins.json file.
  • The Master Key: Firefox generates a random "Master Key."
  • PBKDF2 Hashing: Your Primary Password is run through a hashing algorithm ($PBKDF2$) with a unique salt. This creates a wrapper that encrypts the Master Key.
  • AES-256 Encryption: The Master Key is then used to encrypt your actual usernames and passwords using AES-256.
  • Result: Even if someone steals your profile folder or logins.json file, they cannot decrypt the passwords without your Primary Password, as the key needed to unlock them is itself encrypted.

2. Memory-Level Security (Just-In-Time Decryption)

The biggest advantage of a Primary Password—as discussed in technical security forums—is how it handles RAM:
  • Stay Encrypted: Until you type in your Primary Password, the decryption keys are not loaded into the browser's active memory.
  • Session Management: Once entered, the "session" key is kept in memory to allow for auto-filling.
  • Wiping Data: When you close Firefox, this session key is purged. The next time you open the browser, the passwords are "cold" and unreadable until you re-authenticate.

3. Comparison: Primary Password vs. Default

FeatureNo Primary PasswordWith Primary Password
Disk EncryptionEncrypted via OS-level user login.Encrypted via custom user-defined password.
Physical AccessSomeone at your PC can view passwords in Settings.Prompted for Primary Password before viewing.
Memory ScrapersVulnerable to memory-scraping malware.Protected until the password is typed.
PortabilityHarder to protect if the profile is moved.Fully protected even if the profile is moved to another PC.

Summary of the Mechanism

If you use Windows Hello or a standard OS login instead of a Primary Password, Firefox relies on the operating system to guard the "vault door." If a piece of malware or a user bypasses the OS login, the vault is effectively open. By using a Primary Password, you ensure that even if the OS is compromised, the browser's internal "vault" requires a separate, unique key to unlock the data.

 

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    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 16 Plus DB16255
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS
    Motherboard
    Dell 0PKMHG
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    Sound Card
    Stereo speakers (2.5 W x 2 = 5 W total peak)/Realtek SounzReal/Dolby Atmos
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Displays: 16" 1920 x 1200 (Full HD+/WUXGA) 300 nits 60Hz *** Samsung - 27” Odyssey FHD IPS 240Hz G-Sync Gaming Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    EG6 KIOXIA 1TB NVME
    Case
    Ice Blue
    Cooling
    "dual-fan" or "enhanced" air-cooling system
    Mouse
    Logitech M650 Wireless/Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    800/600 Fiber
  • Computer type
    Laptop
 

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    Windows 11 Pro for WorkstationsIntel i7-8700K 5 GHz64 GB (4x16GB) G.SKILL TridentZ RGB DDR4 3600...ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING (11GB GD...
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro for Workstations
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom self build
    CPU
    Intel i7-8700K 5 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula Z390
    Memory
    64 GB (4x16GB) G.SKILL TridentZ RGB DDR4 3600 MHz (F4-3600C18D-32GTZR)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING (11GB GDDR5X)
    Sound Card
    Integrated Digital Audio (S/PDIF)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 x Samsung Odyssey G75 27"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2,
    4TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2,
    TerraMaster F8 SSD Plus NAS
    PSU
    Seasonic Prime Titanium 850W
    Case
    Thermaltake Core P3 wall mounted
    Cooling
    Corsair Hydro H115i
    Keyboard
    Amazon Basics Wired Full Keyboard MD005
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    Logitech MX Master 4
    Internet Speed
    2 Gbps Download and 100 Mbps Upload
    Browser
    Chrome and Edge
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
    Other Info
    Logitech Z625 speaker system,
    Logitech BRIO 4K Pro webcam,
    HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn,
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD
    Galaxy S23 Plus phone
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    Windows 11 ProSnapdragon X Elite (12 core) 3.42 GHz16 GB LPDDR5x-7467 MHz
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Surface Laptop 7 Copilot+ PC
    CPU
    Snapdragon X Elite (12 core) 3.42 GHz
    Memory
    16 GB LPDDR5x-7467 MHz
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15" HDR
    Screen Resolution
    2496 x 1664
    Hard Drives
    1 TB SSD
    Internet Speed
    Wi-Fi 7 and Bluetooth 5.4
    Browser
    Chrome and Edge
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
Microsoft wrote "We will no longer load passwords into memory on startup." What is changing in handling the password information in memory to web sites? I did not see any information on what is changing in handling the password/memory security concern.
 

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    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 16 Plus DB16255
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 w/ Radeon 860M 50 TOPS
    Motherboard
    Dell 0PKMHG
    Memory
    32GB LPDDR5X 7500 MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon 860M integrated (shared memory)
    Sound Card
    Stereo speakers (2.5 W x 2 = 5 W total peak)/Realtek SounzReal/Dolby Atmos
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Displays: 16" 1920 x 1200 (Full HD+/WUXGA) 300 nits 60Hz *** Samsung - 27” Odyssey FHD IPS 240Hz G-Sync Gaming Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    EG6 KIOXIA 1TB NVME
    Case
    Ice Blue
    Cooling
    "dual-fan" or "enhanced" air-cooling system
    Mouse
    Logitech M650 Wireless/Bluetooth
    Internet Speed
    800/600 Fiber
  • Computer type
    Laptop
The concern is Edge pre-emptively loading your passwords before you started browsing. Presumably as a "speed up" so it looks responsive the moment you first need to fill in a password. It's like the Windows strategy of pre-launching Edge in the background on startup. They want Edge to look "fast".

Instead of decrypting your passwords and stashing them in memory (just in case), they will only decrypt on demand. Which is slower (user has to wait) and more secure.

My spin is the Edge team is freaked out on "just as fast, or faster than" Chromium's performance and making the wrong design choices.
 

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Using a browser to save passwords has been a big no no for several decades, extensions are not better either.
I use Bitwarden desktop app, it is a bit cumbersome to copy/paste, but it is much more safer in a long term.
 

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OS
Home26H2Can
Computer type
PC/Desktop
CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (07/24)
Motherboard
ASROCK B650M-HDV/M.2 (07/24) BIOS 4.21 AGESA ComboAM5 1.3.0.1 (04/26)
Memory
2x32GB Kingston FURY DDR5 5600 MHz CL36 @5200 CL36 (07/24)
Graphics Card(s)
ASROCK Radeon RX 6600 Challenger D 8G @48FPS (08/24)
Sound Card
Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5 Plus (05/24)
Monitor(s) Displays
24" Philips 24M1N3200ZS/00 (05/24)
Screen Resolution
1920×1080@165Hz via DP1.4
Hard Drives
Kingston KC3000 NVMe 2TB (05/24)
ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro 512GB (07/19)
PSU
Seasonic Core GM 550 Gold (04/24)
Case
Fractal Design Define 7 Mini with 3x Noctua NF-P14s/12@555rpm (04/24)
Cooling
Noctua NH-U12S with Noctua NF-P12 (04/24)
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HP Pavilion Wired Keyboard 300 (07/24) + Rabalux 76017 Parker (01/24)
Mouse
Logitech M330 Silent Plus (01/26)
Internet Speed
500/100 Mbps via RouterOS (05/21) & TCP Optimizer
Browser
Edge, Brave for YouTube, LibreWolf for FB
Antivirus
NextDNS blocking 1/3 Traffic
Other Info
Phone: Motorola Moto G86 (02/26)
Backup: Hasleo Backup Suite (PreOS)
Headphones: Sennheiser RS170 (09/10)
Chair: Huzaro Force 4.4 Grey Mesh (05/24)
Notifier: Xiaomi Mi Band 9 Milanese (10/24)
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