Opinion: I hope Win 11 can roll out to older cpu late 2022

lexster · Oct 6, 2021

barman58 said:
the way I understand the Security aspect of the compatibility of processors is the Spectre/ Meltdown group of malware, originally Microsoft used a piece of temporary coding to correct the faults in the Processor code, this was inefficient and slowed down the OS but did protect the OS Users. Intel and AMD both changed the architecture of their processors to make the malware useless, this happened with the final release of Gen 7 Processors and all of the Gen8 and later Processors (AMD was done by the 2nd Gen Rysen).

Windows 11 has been designed to rely on the code in the later architecture to protect from this group of malware rather than the emergency code used in Windows 10.

This means that apart from the later processors classed as Compatible with Windows 11, running Windows 11 on the older Processors would leave systems open to attack by the Spectre group of Malware. Now I'm certain that by now the better Anti Malware products will give some protection but some risk will still be present as the fault is still present at the processor level

There is but one flaw with that conclusion, Spectre/Meltdown vulnerabilities are next-level difficult to exploit successfully. There is a motivation behind this move and it has nothing to do with Spectre/Meltdown or anything like them.

Michele said:
As far as i recall for these vulnerabilities, they can also be fixed through BIOS updates. From what I heard, some manufactors even actually supplied BIOS updates that would fix these vulnerabilities. I checked with my 6th gen processor and the checker told me that I am secure from both malwares. So in theory it should've been compatible with Windows 11. But it isn't.

This.

Michele said:
Apparently there's a deeper reason to it...

Exactly.

BunnyJ · Oct 6, 2021

Why Doesn't Windows 11 Support My CPU?

Microsoft won't talk about the Spectre in the room. We will.

www.howtogeek.com

ShamrockRig · Oct 6, 2021

It is what it is, It most likely isn't gonna change regardless of how much people talk about it, You either meet the reqs or you don't, Im guessing this is why windows 10 is still being supported for years to come.

Michele · Oct 6, 2021

Devlin1888 said:
It is what it is, It most likely isn't gonna change regardless of how much people talk about it, You either meet the reqs or you don't, Im guessing this is why windows 10 is still being supported for years to come.

Fair. After some consideration, I think I don't really need Windows 11 immediately now. I'll just stick to Windows 10 for now until then. Though as I said before, I am kind of surprised Microsoft is keeping their foot on the 8+ gen requirement. It's kinda the same reason why Windows Vista was kind of unpopular, high CPU requirements. BLUE SCREEN

Bree · Oct 6, 2021

Michele said:
Apparently there's a deeper reason to it...

One official line from Microsoft is that only processors for which the manufacturer (Intel or AMD) support the new 'Windows Driver model' will be supported by MS for Windows 11. The (very few) 7th gen Intel processors that have now been added to the supported list do have such drivers available. For the vast majority of 7th gen, and for all earlier generations, Intel do not supply such drivers, so MS will not support them for W11.

Microsoft said:
Reliability. Devices upgraded to Windows 11 will be in a supported and reliable state. By choosing CPUs that have adopted the new Windows Driver model and are supported by our OEM and silicon partners who are achieving a 99.8% crash free experience.

Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements

Windows Insiders, Today we’re releasing our first Insider build for Windows 11, and we’re looking forward to the insight that comes from you installing and using on a variety of your PCs. Last week’s

blogs.windows.com

lexster · Oct 6, 2021

Bree said:
One official line from Microsoft is that only processors for which the manufacturer (Intel or AMD) support the new 'Windows Driver model' will be supported by MS for Windows 11.

Except that such can not be correct as Windows 11 has been tested on and works perfectly with older systems using older drivers that go back to Core 2 Quad and Windows 7. I'm betting Vista drivers would work as well but haven't tested it. There are many users over at TechPowerUp who have been running 11 on their Core 2 Quad based PCs for months with no ill effect. I have personally tested builds 132 & 168 on an old Sony VAIO with a Core 2 Duo and it ran fine. I'm very certain 194 would run perfectly on that same system. It also runs perfectly on my Dell T3500 Xeon W3680 based system.

No, the REAL reasons for microsoft making all of these silly requirements are not being publicly declared. But you can bet many of us will not like it. They know this which is why they're not stating such. Many of us smell a rat, we just haven't found it yet.

Bree · Oct 6, 2021

lexster said:
Except that such can not be correct as Windows 11 has been tested on and works perfectly with older systems using older drivers...

I didn't say 11 can't run with the old drivers (my System Two in my specs below has a 1st gen i5). Just that Microsoft are justifying the new Windows Driver Model as their baseline cutoff on grounds of reliability. How much less reliable older drivers may be, they do not say...

ShamrockRig · Oct 6, 2021

lexster said:
Except that such can not be correct as Windows 11 has been tested on and works perfectly with older systems using older drivers that go back to Core 2 Quad and Windows 7. I'm betting Vista drivers would work as well but haven't tested it. There are many users over at TechPowerUp who have been running 11 on their Core 2 Quad based PCs for months with no ill effect. I have personally tested builds 132 & 168 on an old Sony VAIO with a Core 2 Duo and it ran fine. I'm very certain 194 would run perfectly on that same system. It also runs perfectly on my Dell T3500 Xeon W3680 based system.

No, the REAL reasons for microsoft making all of these silly requirements are not being publicly declared. But you can bet many of us will not like it. They know this which is why they're not stating such. Many of us smell a rat, we just haven't found it yet.

Everythings always a conspiracy xD

BunnyJ · Oct 6, 2021

Devlin1888 said:
Everythings always a conspiracy xD

To some,, it is.

Winuser · Oct 6, 2021

lexster said:
Nothing has changed, at least that I can detect.

I hope you didn't think it would happen immediately. Wait and see what happens when MS starts releasing updates.

lexster · Oct 6, 2021

Bree said:
I didn't say 11 can't run with the old drivers (my System Two in my specs below has a 1st gen i5). Just that Microsoft are justifying the new Windows Driver Model as their baseline cutoff on grounds of reliability. How much less reliable older drivers may be, they do not say...

That's fair. It seems more than a bit iffy and a lot of people are not buying the crap ms is shoveling.

Devlin1888 said:
Everythings always a conspiracy xD

First, we're talking about microsoft. They ALWAYS have an agenda.
Second, we're talking about microsoft. They always think they're right, even when they're proven wrong.
Third, we're talking about microsoft. They want to control everything.

So whatever...

Winuser said:
I hope you didn't think it would happen immediately. Wait and see what happens when MS starts releasing updates.

Honestly I was expecting something in the public release. The fact that nothing changed was refreshing. But if they start messing with us through updates... we'll have to cross that bridge when/if we come to it.

martyfelker · Oct 6, 2021

In the menatime I'm going to try out this "official" hack from Microsoft itself - with a warning of couruse

Install Windows 11 on 'incompatible' systems using Microsoft's official registry hack to bypass the TPM 2.0/CPU check

Although Microsoft would prefer it if people waited to be invited to install Windows 11 on compatible hardware, you can jump the queue now and install it in a number of ways, including by downloading the ISO file, or using the Windows 11 Installation Assistant.

betanews.com

ShamrockRig · Oct 6, 2021

lexster said:
That's fair. It seems more than a bit iffy and a lot of people are not buying the crap ms is shoveling.

First, we're talking about microsoft. They ALWAYS have an agenda.
Second, we're talking about microsoft. They always think they're right, even when they're proven wrong.
Third, we're talking about microsoft. They want to control everything.

So whatever...

Honestly I was expecting something in the public release. The fact that nothing changed was refreshing. But if they start messing with us through updates... we'll have to cross that bridge when/if we come to it.

Yeah i aint even gonna engage with the conspiracy stuff lol, If you dont trust it, Dont use it. Simple
Have a nice day :)

lexster · Oct 6, 2021

Devlin1888 said:
Yeah i aint even gonna engage with the conspiracy stuff lol, If you dont trust it, Dont use it. Simple
Have a nice day :)

You're adorable, thinking you know me. Reality can be unpleasant. If you can't deal with that, YOU have the problem. Take your passive-aggressive nonsense elsewhere..

martyfelker said:
In the menatime I'm going to try out this "official" hack from Microsoft itself - with a warning of couruse

Install Windows 11 on 'incompatible' systems using Microsoft's official registry hack to bypass the TPM 2.0/CPU check

Although Microsoft would prefer it if people waited to be invited to install Windows 11 on compatible hardware, you can jump the queue now and install it in a number of ways, including by downloading the ISO file, or using the Windows 11 Installation Assistant.

betanews.com

Now THAT is irony for you!!

jaree1961 · Oct 6, 2021

Conspiracies or not!
For whatever reason Microsoft have implemented these changes and all we can only do is read their reasons as to why - take it as fact or speculate.
We might not like what they have to say, the devil is in the detail or lack of it. "their software, their rules"
Will it change, highly unlikely but you never know where commercial decisions are being made to keep the stakeholders happy (but I doubt it as personal users contribute very little in return)
Yes, there is always ways to circumvent the protocols & requirements put in place for anything, where there is a will, there is a way.
As it has been put by another member "my computer, my rules" and there lies the bottom line.
So you have a choice, play by their rules, or by your own.
Like always "your decision" so it should always be made carrying out the best risk assessment which covers your situation

ShamrockRig · Oct 6, 2021

lexster said:
You're adorable, thinking you know me. Reality can be unpleasant. If you can't deal with that, YOU have the problem. Take your passive-aggressive nonsense elsewhere..

I think you're reading too far into my responses dude. It's you that seems to not be able to take it based on the big man reply. Have a good day

Mystere · Oct 6, 2021

lexster said:
First, we're talking about microsoft. They ALWAYS have an agenda.
Second, we're talking about microsoft. They always think they're right, even when they're proven wrong.
Third, we're talking about microsoft. They want to control everything.

First, every company has an agenda.

Second, I don't think they think they're right. I think they have an idea of what could be right, and are willing play it out to see if that's so. They're not beyond reversing themselves later if it turns out they were wrong.

Third, they may WANT to control everything, but they know when they can't.. ie.. they gave up on mobile phones.

pparks1 · Oct 7, 2021

And the Microsoft Zune

Ricky · Oct 7, 2021

I have a Lenovo Y50 with i7 CPU. It won't let me install. First time, no reason given. The second time: CPU & TPM failed. The CPU is an Intel i7-4720HQ 2.6GHz. I think MS. is making it very difficult to upgrade. Quite disappointed.