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Is there an older version of Paint that will work in Win10/11? I feel that the functionality has been diminished just for the sake of change. I use paint to recreate things that I had to screen capture in multiple bites. I also cannot edit when the picture is zoomed, I like to get a finer control when making changes. I also don't like the changes to the zoom function also.
 
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Might want to try Paint.NET

But I would recommend you do yourself a favor and go with Paint Shop Pro 7.04... but version 4.12 is by far the easiest.
That's up to you. I think version 7.04 is the best... it has pretty much everything and an easy learning curve.

 
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Is there an older version of Paint that will work in Win10/11?

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In Windows 11 MS Paint has been updated, did you prefer the old MS Paint? Do you have (or can borrow) a PC with Windows 10 on it? If so, then you can copy the old MS Paint from it, put it in a folder somewhere, and run it from there.

You can copy the old MS Paint from a W10 PC and use it in W11. You need a copy of mspaint.exe from System32, and the mspaint.exe.mui from the appropriate language sub-folder of System32, eg System32\en-US or in my case en-GB. Place your copies in a folder anywhere you like (with the .mui in its sub-folder). I keep mine in an 'Old Windows apps' folder.

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Then you can run either the old or the new Paint in W11 (or both at the same time). You could even run Paint from a USB stick.

MS Paint - old vs new.jpg
 

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I found a clean, portable copy of MSPaint v5.1 (Windows XP), that runs on Windows 10/11...



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You can copy the old MS Paint from a W10 PC and use it in W11. You need a copy of mspaint.exe from System32, and the mspaint.exe.mui from the appropriate language sub-folder of System32, eg System32\en-US or in my case en-GB. Place your copies in a folder anywhere you like (with the .mui in its sub-folder). I keep mine in an 'Old Windows apps' folder.
I must be doing something wrong. It didn't work when I tried it.
 

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I must be doing something wrong. It didn't work when I tried it.
With all these older Win32 versions of the apps, such as the original W10 Notepad and Paint, you need to put the *.exe file in a folder (any folder will do) and create a sub-folder there named en-us (if you are using an en-us install of Windows, for me I have an en-gb sub-folder). The *.exe must have its associated *.exe.mui in a sub-folder of the folder it is executed from. The *.exe.mui provides all the language-specific text for the *.exe to use. If you routinely switch system languages then you'll need the appropriate sub-folders and their .mui for each language.

You'll find the .mui you need to copy in a sub-folder of the folder where you found the .exe, and you should copy it to a sub-folder with the same name in whichever folder you put the .exe. If it fails to open, check that the language(s) you copied over match the system language you are using on the PC you copied it to.

 

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With all these older Win32 versions of the apps, such as the original W10 Notepad and Paint, you need to put the *.exe file in a folder (any folder will do) and create a sub-folder there named en-us (if you are using an en-us install of Windows, for me I have an en-gb sub-folder). The *.exe must have its associated *.exe.mui in a sub-folder of the folder it is executed from. The *.exe.mui provides all the language-specific text for the *.exe to use. If you routinely switch system languages then you'll need the appropriate sub-folders and their .mui for each language.

You'll find the .mui you need to copy in a sub-folder of the folder where you found the .exe, and you should copy it to a sub-folder with the same name in whichever folder you put the .exe. If it fails to open, check that the language(s) you copied over match the system language you are using on the PC you copied it to.

I have tried it three different ways with the same results. I copied all of the fiiles to a folder. The first try was with the complete en-US folder. The second try I copied just the mspaint .exe.mui to a subfolder named en-US. the third try was just putting the mspaint.exe.mui in the main folder. Every time I try to run mspaint.exe I get a Unable to create a new document error.
 
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I have tried it three different ways with the same results.... I get a Unable to create a new document error.
Yes, I have looked at this now and can confirm that error with recent versions of MS Paint. The odd thing is that the same method srill works for running the Win32 version of Notepad.exe

Microsoft had made various changes to Paint over the various builds of Windows 10. Remember the complaints when the 'Edit with Paint 3D' button appeared in W10 v1709? Or when in v1809 it gained a Product alert that said Paint was going to be replaced soon with a Store app? Or the relief when Paint got a reprieve and was going to stay after all?

1647911135099.png

Well, Somewhere along the way it appears that something was changed in MS Paint that stopped it being able to be copied as a working exe/mui pair. Testing with various build I find that the last version of W10 for which that worked was 1809 (17763). The example screenshot I gave earlier was actually using an even earlier build. It was MS Paint from 1703 (15563) and I'd kept as it was the last build without 'Edit with Paint 3D'.

So if you want a working copy of the old Paint you need to copy it from an older version of Windows 10, no newer than 1809, or no newer than 1703 if you don't want to see Paint 3D on the ribbon. In the (likely) absence of any PC to copy them from, you can open the install.esd or install.wim from an old ISO with 7-Zip File Manager and extract them from there.
 

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There is an installer for the older version of Paint.

The classic Paint (mspaint) app that doesn't include the Edit With Paint 3D and Product Alert buttons.

Edit: If you want to extract the old Paint yourself without the Edit With Paint 3D and Product Alert buttons, I found a clean version in Windows 10 Version 1607.
 
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I just gave up - in the end, the changes are only cosmetic ones, and only takes a few minutes to master.

In the end, I always prefer supported versions rather than unsupported versions.

If you really do nor want to use modern version, better to install a supported 3rd party app instead.
 

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I prefer the old one..., the new one is too bland, hard to see...

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Funny, the Screenshot in the Store promotes the old style!!! 🤷‍♂️

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Ironically, the Marketing Director tells the Design Team not to put a screenshot of the new Paint UI in the Store because it's unfamiliar, users won't identify with it, acceptance will be poor!
That, in itself, speaks volumes already! :unsure:
 

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I just gave up - in the end, the changes are only cosmetic ones, and only takes a few minutes to master.

In the end, I always prefer supported versions rather than unsupported versions.

If you really do nor want to use modern version, better to install a supported 3rd party app instead.
I agree that it's generally a good idea.

But I played around with an older Paint version from Windows 10 Version 1607 and stored it in Program Files.
It worked fine, but I found that if I wanted to associate image files with the older Paint, I had to rename it and the corresponding .mui files in the language sub-folder. I called it ClassicPaint.exe. If I didn't rename it to something other than mspaint.exe, files would continue to open with the new Paint.
 

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