Possible to prevent application installations from creating System Restore points?


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I create restore points on a schedule or when I am making significant changes to my system drive. I don't want application installations to create additional restore points, and often they do. Is there a way to turn off only this type of restore point creation and still let my restore point script create them when I want them?
 
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I am not sure how the following tutorial may hinder or help your set schedule.

www.elevenforum.com

Change System Restore Point Creation Frequency in Windows 11

This tutorial will show you how to increase or decrease the system restore point creation frequency to what you want in Windows 10 and Windows 11. Turning on system protection for a drive allows System Restore to include the drive when restore points are created so you can undo undesired system...
www.elevenforum.com www.elevenforum.com

Outside of that, I am not sure how to -prevent the trigger on app/software install
 

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Trying to read up, it's a Rabbit Hole of information. The only thing I understood is that you would probably need to disable Volume Shadow Copy service in Windows Services. Would appear on face value to be counter productive unless you were willing to enable it again prior to your scheduled restore creation..

Out of my league sorry.
 

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antspants said:
I am not sure how the following tutorial may hinder or help your set schedule.

www.elevenforum.com

Change System Restore Point Creation Frequency in Windows 11

This tutorial will show you how to increase or decrease the system restore point creation frequency to what you want in Windows 10 and Windows 11. Turning on system protection for a drive allows System Restore to include the drive when restore points are created so you can undo undesired system...
www.elevenforum.com www.elevenforum.com

Outside of that, I am not sure how to -prevent the trigger on app/software install
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Perhaps more to the point, why would you want to turn off restore points after installation of a new app?

New apps are one of the prime reasons things sometimes go wonky, and that is when a restore point immediately made before it is most beneficial.

As an aside restore points made after significant changes are not likely to help or will only partially rectify issues.

It seems to me OP should be using imaging backups for significant changes.

I do not want to get into the perennial storage points versus image backups but it is important to recognise system restores are not an image backup.
 

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cereberus said:
Perhaps more to the point, why would you want to turn off restore points after installation of a new app?

New apps are one of the prime reasons things sometimes go wonky, and that is when a restore point immediately made before it is most beneficial.

As an aside restore points made after significant changes are not likely to help or will only partially rectify issues.

It seems to me OP should be using imaging backups for significant changes.

I do not want to get into the perennial storage points versus image backups but it is important to recognise system restores are not an image backup.
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I've been using Windows since long before System Restore existed and am aware of its limitations. I do image backups weekly. I very seldom have issues with new apps causing an issue I can't rectify by uninstalling the app and don't want restore points created by app installs to bump restore points I created. Typically, I resort to using System Restore when I can't figure out what has caused an issue, and I want the restore points from a known working system to remain intact until I decide to overwrite them.
 

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antspants said:
I am not sure how the following tutorial may hinder or help your set schedule.

www.elevenforum.com

Change System Restore Point Creation Frequency in Windows 11

This tutorial will show you how to increase or decrease the system restore point creation frequency to what you want in Windows 10 and Windows 11. Turning on system protection for a drive allows System Restore to include the drive when restore points are created so you can undo undesired system...
www.elevenforum.com www.elevenforum.com

Outside of that, I am not sure how to -prevent the trigger on app/software install
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Thanks, I know about changing the restore point schedule. That's not what I'm looking for.
 

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dbookbinder said:
Thanks, I know about changing the restore point schedule. That's not what I'm looking for.
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Then you should probably also ignore my follow up post that states to disable this from happening you (more than likely) have to disable the Volume Shadow Copy service in Windows Services. You probably shouldn’t look into a script to enable/run a restore point/disable, either.
 

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antspants said:
Then you should probably also ignore my follow up post that states to disable this from happening you (more than likely) have to disable the Volume Shadow Copy service in Windows Services. You probably shouldn’t look into a script to enable/run a restore point/disable, either.
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Did more digging and it looks like I can disable SR with a registry change, re-enable it when I want to create a new restore point or install a Windows update, and then disable it again. I've got a VBS script I use to create restore points, so I just have to figure out how to add toggling a registry value to the script.

This is the registry value. I haven't tested it yet, but apparently it toggles SR on or off without deleting existing restore points.

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows NT\SystemRestore]
"DisableSR"=dword:00000001
 
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dbookbinder said:
Did more digging and it looks like I can disable SR with a registry change, re-enable it when I want to create a new restore point or install a Windows update, and then disable it again. I've got a VBS script I use to create restore points, so I just have to figure out how to add toggling a registry value to the script.

This is the registry value. I haven't tested it yet, but apparently it toggles SR on or off without deleting existing restore points.

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows NT\SystemRestore]
"DisableSR"=dword:00000001
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Please post the results of your test dbookbinder. I'm very interested in this as well.
 

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Jett said:
Please post the results of your test dbookbinder. I'm very interested in this as well.
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It appears to work. When I created DisableSR and set it to 1, System Restore said it was disabled by a system administrator. Toggling DisableSR to 0 or deleting the value re-enabled System Restore. All the restore points were still there.

Doing it from a batch file or script also worked, as long as I ran it as administrator. Here's the batch file version for disabling SR:

@echo off
REG ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows NT\SystemRestore" /v DisableSR /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f

I have not yet verified that turning SR off this way also blocks programs from creating a restore point.
 
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dbookbinder said:
It appears to work. When I created DisableSR and set it to 1, System Restore said it was disabled by a system administrator. Toggling DisableSR to 0 or deleting the value re-enabled System Restore. All the restore points were still there.

Doing it from a batch file or script also worked, as long as I ran it as administrator. Here's the batch file version for disabling SR:

@echo off
REG ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows NT\SystemRestore" /v DisableSR /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f

I have not yet verified that turning SR off this way also blocks programs from creating a restore point.
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Ok great info dbookbinder. Thanks for the follow up
 

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Jett said:
Ok great info dbookbinder. Thanks for the follow up
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With the help of a couple of AI programs, I put together the attached script, which 1) checks to see if it's running in Admin mode and, if it isn't, launches itself in Admin mode; 2) temporarily turns on System Restore; 3) creates a restore point; 4) turns off System Restore. I intend to run it from Task Scheduler with "highest privileges" set, but I tested it manually and it appears to work. It does some error checking and comments are in the code.

If you try it, let me know.
 

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In the end, manually toggling off (and on) doing restore points is a sort of solution to OPs problem but it then requires OP to remember to do so,and hence prone to error.

In the end, it seems to me a much easier solution would be to do as many do i.e. use system image backups to a schedule e.g. full weekly, followed by daily incrementals instead.

The key thing to do is to store data to a separate drive backed up separately by any tool that suits you.

If you use an imaging tool that supports delta restore (e.g. free Hasleo), the restore restores by differences and is really fast.

It gives all the benefits of a restore point, is faster, more reliable and does not clog up C drive with restore points.

Moreover, you bypass the issue of restore points being created when a new app is installed (albeit I questioned earlier the wisdom of doing that).

I gave up using restore points years ago in favour of image backups and use of Rapid Delta Restore and have never regretted it.
 

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    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

    Macrium Reflect Home V8
    Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
    Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
cereberus said:
In the end, manually toggling off (and on) doing restore points is a sort of solution to OPs problem but it then requires OP to remember to do so,and hence prone to error.

In the end, it seems to me a much easier solution would be to do as many do i.e. use system image backups to a schedule e.g. full weekly, followed by daily incrementals instead.

The key thing to do is to store data to a separate drive backed up separately by any tool that suits you.

If you use an imaging tool that supports delta restore (e.g. free Hasleo), the restore restores by differences and is really fast.

It gives all the benefits of a restore point, is faster, more reliable and does not clog up C drive with restore points.

Moreover, you bypass the issue of restore points being created when a new app is installed (albeit I questioned earlier the wisdom of doing that).

I gave up using restore points years ago in favour of image backups and use of Rapid Delta Restore and have never regretted it.
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As I mentioned, I don't rely exclusively on System Restore, nor am I recommending the method I was asking about. I do weekly image backups of my System drive using Macrium, back up my data to multiple locations daily, and also clone to a spare SSD periodically following the failure of a fairly new Samsung 990 Pro.

I didn't know Hasleo's package now has the delta restore feature. I'll look into that. However, it doesn't replace System Restore for my purposes, as I'm using a laptop and would rather not have to take a backup drive with me wherever I go. (SR saved my ass on a recent trip.)

If you haven't used System Restore in years and have any curiosity about it, it seems much more reliable than it was in, say, Windows 7. The only issue I've noticed is that a couple of HP background apps failed to start when they were launched in the background immediately following a System Restore, though once started manually they ran fine afterwards.
 
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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro, 23H2, Build 22631.4317
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    i7-1355U
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    64GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel IRIS 1GB
    Sound Card
    Realtek (internal)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Stock and external 27" Acer monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    m.2 2TB (Windows), 2TB SATA SSD (Data)
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    Stock
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    Stock
    Cooling
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    Keyboard
    Stock and external HP keyboard
    Mouse
    Trackpad and external Logitech wired mouse
    Internet Speed
    FIOS 1GB
    Browser
    Chrome, Edge, Brave, Opera, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
    Other Info
    2TB Samsung 990 Pro, 2TB Samsung 870 EVO
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 5770
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Radeon 530
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    256GB Samsung SDD, 2TB Western Digital HDD
    Mouse
    Logitech wired
    Keyboard
    Arteck wireless
    Internet Speed
    FIOS 1GB
    Browser
    Chrome, Edge
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
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