So, I got obsessed with achieving the perfect clean install and it took me a week and many many attempts. Feel free to comment what can be improved.


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Hi!

It all started when I noticed that Windows Update was forcing some drivers which were older than the ones I had.
I did not do a clean install just because of that!
But at the next opportunity (like, probably I shoveled up something and I needed to do a clean install) I decided to do all I could to prevent Microsoft from doing what it wanted with MY laptop.

After MANY attempts, this became my to-go "clean install routine". I must specify, I am not an IT person, I just am a DIY guy who likes to get things right.
  • I start from USB drive (prepared with Media Creation Tool).
  • although my OS language is English US I choose German as "Time and currency format" because 1 I am in Germany and 2 we have better privacy laws here and often by specifying Germany or EU the installation has less bullshit. I don't know it it makes any difference here but I still do it.
    I tried choosing "English World" or "English EU" like I've read in some article about how to avoid bloatware, but it gave an error later.
  • when I'm forced to choose a network I click on SHIFT+F10 to open a terminal window and I use a USB mouse to bring it in focus so that I can actually type stuff in it (if you know of a way to achieve that without mouse, please say it).
    I type oobe\bypassnro and after the automatic restart I can proceed without network and I say no to all privacy questions.
  • at the first start I install the BT driver so I can use my Logitech MX Master 3s which is a life savior with the side buttons to go back and forth (and there is a LOT of back and forth in all this process).
    Then I install the graphic driver so I can start having things look like they should.
  • I deselect all folders in Indexing Options, I also right click on C and deselect "allow files in this folder to have content indexed".
  • for some sadistic reason "most of the times but not always" bitlocker gets automatically activated on C, BUT it doesn't appear active when I look at it. I discovered it in Disk Management. So this became part of my clean install routine too: control panel > bitlocker > activate bitlocker on C > immediately deactivate it > double check in Disk Management. Done.
  • now I go on Services and I disable Windows Search, SyMain (= Superfetch. Btw I also disable Prefetch in regedit) and Bitlocker. I also disable all the stuff that I know for sure that I don't use and that thanks to many trials and errors (since the golden times of BlackViper) I'm confident about.
  • I open gpedit and I go through pretty much ever single freaking setting and I disable all the crap that I don't want. Most notably I disable the drivers update via Windows Update (and also OneSettings, which I only activate later in case there is some issue that supposedly OneSettings might automatically solve, please correct me if this is false), I set WU to only notify but neither download nor install, I disable all telemetry and data collection stuff, and until I'm sure that I have already installed all what I want I also temporarily disable all what mentions the Store or anything even remotely talking of autmatic update, because Windows is sneaky as foodle and with everything disabled it always finds a way to install stuff automatically.
  • I install the following programs offline (PLEASE let me know if there are better options) and I run them all before going online:
    - Revo Uninstaller: I like that after deinstalling it lets you scan for leftovers and you can choose what to clean up. I use it to immediately uninstall all Windows apps and System Components.
    - Firefox: IE was famous as the most used browser... to download other browsers. Now that Microsoft has made the effort to improve on it with Edge, I made the effort to have an offline installer of Firefox so I don't even need to ever open Edge to download another browser. In a few of my clean installs I even deinstalled Edge but atm I leave it as an extra thing in case I have to check why something doesn't work in Firefox.
    I install Firefox before any other program even if I'm still offline because some programs try to open their website after the installation and this triggers the first startup in Edge and I wanted to achieve the perfect clean install feeling of never ever having had to succumb to Edge.
    - WinRiser: I use it only to deselect startup stuff that doesn't appear in the startup tab of Task Manager or of Revo. E.g. it's the only one that showed me that there's a "CreateExplorerShellUnelevatedTask" now in my startups.
    - OOSU10: best software that I'm aware of to deselect all possible privacy concerning things. It also has options to avoid many of the things that I until now used gpedit for. But it doesn't seem to change gpedit settings. Maybe it changes the registry, no idea. If you know, let me know :)
    - XD-Antispy: it has a few things which afaik aren't present in OOSU10, like all the "ad" stuff. Btw it's just an executable but not an installer.
    - SDIO: the only drivers updater that I trust. I like that it lets you see all info about the drivers you have and the ones you could install. I download the driver packages for my laptop before the clean install so I can install everything offline.
    - Windscribe: my VPN of choice not because it's any better than what you see recommended in Privacy websites, but I simply like some of the options that only they offer, particularly in their browser addon and android app, like GPS/Timezone/Language spoofing, and their DNS with malware/phishing/tracking protection is also nice because together with the AdGuard browser addon and my healthy browing and downloading habits gives me enough safety to feel confident with disabling the real-time feature of Microsoft Defender and only do regular scans with it and with Malwarebytes.
  • only then I connect the LAN adapter, and install LG Update (I have an LG Gram) to install the things that SDIO couldn't install.
  • while LG Update does its thing I quickly use vukilis Windows11-Optimizer-Debloater and ChrisTitusTech winutil (which both need internet) to debloat and tweak the very few things that are left (like adding "end task" to the right click menu for taskbar stuff, or a nice looking mouse cursor).
  • when all this is over I go to the advanced settings of my BIOS and I tweak all the things that can make my system heat and trigger the fan. I need to do it again after every clean install because LG's updates will change it back to default.
    And on a side note these settings also influence how the fan will spin during a clean install, so, if you're as sensitive to fan noise as I am, you might want to check that.
  • During and/or after all of this I go through all the options in Settings and Control Panel to tweak things like I want them.
  • NEVER EVER do I manually check for Windows updates because I've learnt with lot of frustration (and a few clean installs more) that even when WU is set not to automatically update anything, if you check for updates manually it will automatically downlad and install whatever it finds. I REALLY HATE THIS!

That's it.
I look forward to your wisdom about what I could improve :)
 
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Yeah that looks overly obsessive.
 

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OK so now that you’ve satisfied yourself with what you perceive to be the perfect, or close to the perfect installation. Are you going to experience some kind of psychosis when you need to actually install something so as you can use the computer for something other than a bare OS?

I am not saying there’s anything wrong with trying to achieve this, it would probably be fun. I believe I did something similar back in 2014 when I built this rig and was overclocking etc etc etc

But the reality is, the minute you install something, it’s the beginning to what will eventually become the next fresh install. At some point, we kind of lose control of what happens behind the scenes. So I ask you, was it worth it?

The answer is YES if you enjoyed yourself.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build 22631.5624
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
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    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
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    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
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    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    5 x LG 25MS500-B - 1 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
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    All over the place
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    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
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    Silverstone 1500
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    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
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    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech: G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
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    1000/400Mbps
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    All sorts
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    Kaspersky Premium
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    I’m on a horse.
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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
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    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Antivirus
    Defender / Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
OK so now that you’ve satisfied yourself with what you perceive to be the perfect, or close to the perfect installation. Are you going to experience some kind of psychosis when you need to actually install something so as you can use the computer for something other than a bare OS?

I am not saying there’s anything wrong with trying to achieve this, it would probably be fun. I believe I did something similar back in 2014 when I built this rig and was overclocking etc etc etc

But the reality is, the minute you install something, it’s the beginning to what will eventually become the next fresh install. At some point, we kind of lose control of what happens behind the scenes. So I ask you, was it worth it?

The answer is YES if you enjoyed yourself.
Fun idea like but pretty much pointless or than for the " What can i do" side of things.
 

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  • OS
    11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    10700k@5.2
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Gaming X Z490
    Memory
    Viper Steelseries 32gb@ 3600mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte 2070 Super 8GB, +200 core + 600 memory
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS 4k HDR, Two 1080p Benq and Samsung
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160/2560x1440/1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Adata XPG SX8200 PRO 1tb
    Samsung EVO 870 500GB
    PSU
    Corsair RX 650
    Case
    NZXT h510
    Cooling
    CM HYPER 212 RGB
    Keyboard
    Razer Ornata Chroma
    Mouse
    Steelseries Rival 710
OK so now that you’ve satisfied yourself with what you perceive to be the perfect, or close to the perfect installation. Are you going to experience some kind of psychosis when you need to actually install something so as you can use the computer for something other than a bare OS?

...

The answer is YES if you enjoyed yourself.

If you ask me if I enjoy being obsessive compulsive, the answer is "I've learnt to".
There are moments where I feel "ok, that's enough" and usually that happens way before I actually stop :)
So, there's a component of "unpleasant", but so too in watching a thriller or going on a roller coaster.
If it wasn't even remotely unpleasant it would be boring ;)

But I suspect that you misunderstood something.
This post is only about the process of a (for me ideal) clean install, NOT about all what I have on my laptop and do with it afterwards.
Indeed I love installing new programs and trying them out.
I do it all the time.
I simply want to debloat, enhance privacy, skim the amount of stuff that run in background, and improve UX (user experience).

I was simply annoyed that Windows was constantly installing a whole bunch of things that I didn't want, right after a clean install.
It didn't feel "clean" anymore. It's like you buy a new house and somebody comes right after you open the door for the first time and throws in a bunch of stuff that you don't want. Not cool.
And it pissed me off that it was CONSTANTLY installing the same fu...ing older drivers (including the graphic ones, which I have always up to date thanks to the Intel Drivers Assistant) and even if I installed again the newer one WU was installing again the older one.
Ffs! What's their freaking problem? Why are they supposing that they know better than me (and than Intel) which drivers I need?

At first I simply changed the way that WU installs (= only notify).
It wasn't enough, so I looked more into it and discovered how to disable the gpedit option to have WU update drivers.
But that only works when you have all your drivers already installed, whereas right after a clean install when a lot of things don't have a driver yet, as soon as you go online Windows manages to install the drivers even if you have that option disabled in gpedit.
So I looked more into it and I discovered that in the good old (now kind of hidden) advanced system options (where you can disable page file and remote assistance and change computer name) there's also an option to prevent automatic installation of "manufacturer's apps and custom icons".
And while looking in all the nice stuff that gpedit can do I've also found about OneSettings, which I guess it's useful at times (I might be completely wrong about it but I understood that it's like some sort of "self healing" option when some things don't work well) but at same time it's telemetry and also not something that I need all the time in the background.
And there are more things in gpedit, NOT in intuitive places (= not in the WU folder) which determine update processes. So I deselect all of them until I install all the stuff that I want. Afterwards it's indeed enough with having the "no drivers update" option disabled.

That's all. I mean, I am not denying that I am obsessive compulsive but I wouldn't say that this is all for nothing :)
 

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Like I said, if it made you happy, more power to you. 🙏
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build 22631.5624
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    5 x LG 25MS500-B - 1 x 24MK430H-B - 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    Too many to list.
    OS on Samsung 1TB 870 QVO SATA
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech: G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    1000/400Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.4249
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics Processor
    Sound Card
    Optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Antivirus
    Defender / Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
After a clean install, all drivers set, basic software installed (like MS office) and tweaked the way I like, I generate a drive image backup.
For many years ahead, if I don't like the way the OS is working, I retrieve the original with the drive image backup. I have to reinstall the other software and update the OS but the hard work is already done.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP 64 - Lubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom build
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Win 11
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    (4) -1 BX500 SSD - 128G for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Q550LF
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
    & 1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
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    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦26100.4652 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦24H2
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 5002)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 15 years?
When I read a long and complicated dissertation on how to do a Windows Install, all I can say is "Arggg!" !!!

In the past year, I've probably installed one version of Windows or another, about 50 times. So I've had to develop my own Clean, Lean and Mean process.
I'm sure you're all heard of the 12 Step Program (for alcoholics), well, I've developed what I call my Three Step Program. (for PC'aholics)

1. From a known and trusted source, download a fresh ISO of Windows xx.
2. Using Rufus, burn the ISO to a fresh, clean Flash Drive. *
3. Boot up my PC with the newly burned Flash Drive and install Windows xx. I'll install to a NEW SSD, whenever possible.

* I now have 12 OS's on Flash Drives, for quick installs.

Now Windows is up and running and I can tweak and tune it, and install programs to my hearts content.
Total time for the above three step Windows install, is typically less than one hour. My latest (actual) Windows install, from a Flash Drive, took only ten minutes, on a 12 year old PC.

I really LOVE the new LIGHT versions of Windows 11, 23H2 and 24H2. Just a great running Version of Windows 11 without all the MS BS.

I like FAST, and I like SIMPLE, and anything complicated just doesn't find a home here!

Good luck Mates,
TM :cool:
 

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After a clean install, all drivers set, basic software installed (like MS office) and tweaked the way I like, I generate a drive image backup.
For many years ahead, if I don't like the way the OS is working, I retrieve the original with the drive image backup. I have to reinstall the other software and update the OS but the hard work is already done.

Thanks.
I've always been curious about backups.
I had tbh only bad experience with Windows System Restore. So I simply resigned myself to not do backups and resort to clean a reset or in the worst case scenario a clean install if there are issues, which btw happens very rarely to me.
After all I have all my important stuff saved in an external drive in case the internal dies, and the internal is partitioned in OS and DATA, and all folders like Documents and Downloads, Music, Pictures etc, they are in DATA. And I have Firefox constantly syncing my bookmarks just in case. It saved me in a few occasions.
So when I reset or clean install I only lose the OS, and time.

That said, my bad experiences were a long long time ago (Windows XP maybe?).
And were with System Restore. Not with Windows Backup or other backup programs.
What do you use for your backups?
And did you ever had issues, like something not working well and you couldn't figure out what and why?
 

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  • OS
    Win11 64 Pro
What do you use for your backups?




 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦26100.4652 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦24H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 5002)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 15 years?
When I read a long and complicated dissertation on how to do a Windows Install, all I can say is "Arggg!" !!!

In the past year, I've probably installed one version of Windows or another, about 50 times. So I've had to develop my own Clean, Lean and Mean process.
I'm sure you're all heard of the 12 Step Program (for alcoholics), well, I've developed what I call my Three Step Program. (for PC'aholics)

1. From a known and trusted source, download a fresh ISO of Windows xx.
2. Using Rufus, burn the ISO to a fresh, clean Flash Drive. *
3. Boot up my PC with the newly burned Flash Drive and install Windows xx. I'll install to a NEW SSD, whenever possible.

Yes, I am not known for being simple.
Yet, I do strive for simplicity, although it's for me as unreachable as the horizon.
In this case I admit it's just trust issues. I don't trust a software to meddle with my installation files.
But, I also know that this is silly. After all, there's SO MUCH that pretty much every software that I use might be doing behind my back without me ever knowing.
"They're everywhere!" (no, just joking, I'm not that weird).

So, I had read about Rufus but had not felt positive about it.
Yet, I am here to improve, so, let's do that.
I don't ask you to make me a personal dissertation about Rufus, I will figure out by myself, but so roughly could you explain what does Rufus do?
The way I imagine it, it's that I should do all what I wrote in my opening post, but only once. And Rufus would write an installation file with all those tweaks so that in the future it's already done.
Is this the case?
And does Rufus let people change all the gpedit things and all what I mentioned?

Thanks
 

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Oh but I know the good old Brinks well.
I mean, not personally, but I follow his tutorials since years.

In this case, I have tried his tweaks but as I explained in my post they only work AFTER all the initial stuff is installed.
In my experience at least they did not prevent Windows from installing drivers and other stuff right after the clean install before I could get to have LG Update install the right things for my system.
Btw I always wanted to ask him something about the registry tweaks in that post but I never did.
I guess it's the right occasion :)
Thanks for reminding me.
 

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Also, I think that @hsehestedt has quite a collection of "answer files" for use during an install.
haha, I knew that coming here would be like opening the Pandora Box for me.
So many new inputs.
Sometimes I refuse to learn new things which could actually make my life easier, because the process of learning them means a phase of headaches obsessively going into every option of that program.

In this case I had come across these answer files recently but decided not to look too much into them because it seemed complicated.
But, I came here to learn new things :)

I do wonder, from the little that I had read about these answer files, I had understood that they only help with the options that are presented during the installation, NOT with all the things that can be done afterwards (like tweaking gpedit etc).
No need to explain me everything, but could you tell me if I had understood correctly? I had a look again in the link you provided but at a first glance I could not spot the answer to this concern.
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In my experience at least they did not prevent Windows from installing drivers and other stuff right after the clean install


Most of us disconnect the internet during a Windows install, for exactly the reason you just mentioned. :-)




but could you tell me if I had understood correctly?

I have no idea. I don't use them for the simple reason that I rarely re-install Windows.

That's the beauty of back up software.

When a time comes that I "must" install Windows... I do it like this....

1. Have all my necessary drivers on a storage drive. [On TenForums there's an Export Drivers tutorial]
2. Create the Windows install media.
3. Physically disconnect the internet (wifi as well if you have it), and all "other" drives.
4. Install Windows and skip, disregard, uncheck, anything MS offers.
5. On desktop for the 1st time, I install all the drivers.
6. I then do any major tweaks that I want done.
7. Install backup software, and create it's bootable media.
8. Then I make a fresh full OS backup.
9. The I disable drivers included in WU (tutorial), reconnect the internet, and do any WUs that are available.
10. Then I install the very few programs that I want on my Windows drive.
11. Then I make another full OS backup.
12. After that I really only concern myself with chipset or BIOS updates. The other drivers... updated only if needed.

From then on... I just leapfrog from backup to backup. With so little data on my Windows drive, backups and restores are fast.
I only make new backups before (and after) major changes, and ofc before patch Tuesdays.
 
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It all started when I noticed that Windows Update was forcing some drivers which were older than the ones I had.
Latest Windows (24H2) does not install drivers for me, like outdated AMD, they are listed as Optional.

After MANY attempts, this became my to-go "clean install routine".
I must specify, I am not an IT person, I just am a DIY guy who likes to get things right.
I can relate, I used nlite, vlite in the past and I used to install Windows twice a week. It took many hours to setup everything the way I wanted, so I use scripts to do everything for me. MS sure helped with winget, installing apps just got easier.

I look forward to your wisdom about what I could improve :)
I basically do this: Disable Defender, Setup 1/2, Tweaks, Cleanup. It takes like 1 hour overall.
 

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It takes like 1 hour overall.


I've never used any of your... "Bat-Files".
But I gave you ten cookies for all the work that must have been involved. :-)


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Thanks.
I've always been curious about backups.
I had tbh only bad experience with Windows System Restore. So I simply resigned myself to not do backups and resort to clean a reset or in the worst case scenario a clean install if there are issues, which btw happens very rarely to me.
After all I have all my important stuff saved in an external drive in case the internal dies, and the internal is partitioned in OS and DATA, and all folders like Documents and Downloads, Music, Pictures etc, they are in DATA. And I have Firefox constantly syncing my bookmarks just in case. It saved me in a few occasions.
So when I reset or clean install I only lose the OS, and time.

That said, my bad experiences were a long long time ago (Windows XP maybe?).
And were with System Restore. Not with Windows Backup or other backup programs.
What do you use for your backups?
And did you ever had issues, like something not working well and you couldn't figure out what and why?
The answer to the bold question above is simple. Without ever a thought, I use the same program, almost, that I was introduced to back in 1997.
That program is GHOST, where the last DOS version was "Ghost 11.5". I can run it from a Floppy Disk, CD, Flash Drive or even a bootable SD Memory Card.
Depending on PC usage and files saved, I might do a C: partition backup bi-weekly, with Compression, or at the very least, Weekly. The backup image file is saved to a 1TB HD, that I have installed in my desktop PC, as a Backup Drive.
Before I do a Ghost backup, I'll look at my old backup image files, and Delete any really OLD ones, saving only the latest three or four images.

My Data files are NEVER on my C: drive so those get backed up separately, to several USB Flash Drives, AND, my Backup Drive, using XCOPY in a batch file.
So if my C: drive crashes, or gets corrupted somehow, no data file is ever lost.

On the rare occasion that I've had to rely on Restoring a Ghost Backup Image File, I've not had any problem with the Restoration.
The best thing I can say about using Ghost, is.... IT JUST WORKS! *
Years ago, when I used Mechanical HD's, I would do a Ghost backup, followed immediately by a Ghost Restore, to completely RE-Write the HD, performing what I called the "Perfect Defrag".

* Ghost will refuse to make a backup of any drive with ERRORS on it. That's only proper!

I hope that answers your question.

Cheers Mate!
TM :cool:
 

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