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I looked at the tools that I made on USB sticks and DVDs: install, recovery, repair, rescue, and wonder how useful they are considering all the tools that are already provided on-board these days? (or downloadable, fresh download vs. x-year old download)

What can't be done with the on-board or downloadable tools?
 

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Hm ... not sure what the message is ?

Did you mean to compare the on-board tools with roller skates and the troubled computer with the buffalo herd > on-board tools are not effective?

Did you mean to say that downloaded tools on an external medium is more effective? Tools that need to be prepared on a trouble-free machine?

Or did you mean to say that all the tools in my toolbox are useless? What tools should I have in my toolbox?

?

 
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Hm ... not sure what the message is ?

Did you mean to compare the on-board tools with roller skates and the troubled computer with the buffalo herd > on-board tools are not effective?

Did you mean to say that downloaded tools on an external medium is more effective? Tools that need to be prepared on a trouble-free machine?

Or did you mean to say that all the tools in my toolbox are useless? What tools should I have in my toolbox?


I'm not sure what you mean by on-board tools.
Windows tools? Tools you already have?

These days, you can make a bootable image with multiple tools on it.
There's this... see post #2 for the updates...




And someone posted another method... it like Rufus for multiple bootable images on one device.
I think it was here on ElevenForum. I can't remember who posted it or what it was called.
I got the impression it was a "new" method.
 

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Ventoy maybe?
It would make sense to update, alter your toolbox as you change OS builds, apps used, purpose for computer use etc.
 

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Well, it just depends on your point of view. At the most basic, the key question is "what do I do if drive fails?".

As a minimum, you need a usb flash drive with a rescue drive or ia usb harddrive image backup in case hard drive fails.

Depending on a standard installation drive is ok provided you have a backup of drivers on pc as well.

Of course, all valuable data should be backed up to an external drive or cloud.

Regrettably, few people even meet these minimum constraints.

Everything else is icing on the cake.
 

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Maybe I can say what let me start this thread.

System > Recovery provides access to some tools built into the OS. So, as long as I can boot and reach 'Recovery' I can try addressing perhaps not so serious problems. I am not sophisticated enough to address more serious problems anyway, I'd restore the machine from bare metal if there are more serious problems.

So, all I need is a VERY reliable bootable USB stick or DVD to reach 'Recovery' and then try to correct any not so serious problems.

That's at least the thinking behind my OP and questions about my toolbox. Has it the right tools, enough tools, useless tools, etc. for my needs. (Yes, I do have backups)
 

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Based on your description of how you would proceed if encountering an issue I would say all you need is a relatively up to date Windows USB/ DVD created with the MSCT, depending on how your system is installed and boot options available to you.
It will allow you to clean install if needed, repair install if needed and, as long as the drive itself has not failed, there are methods to even recover individual files if needed using the USB/ DVD.
Anything more involved or advanced would probably be better addressed by creating a custom rescue/ troubleshooting disk, maybe even extending to a Linux disk.
There are plenty of tutorials on how to make advanced rescue disks using a variety of methods for both general and specific needs, both on these forums and other reputable forums.
Making use of an app like Macrium Free to image your system regularly can save you a lot of headaches when trouble hits as well, tutorials available on these forums and elsewhere.
 

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All in all it sounds like I should rely more on my backup tools and rely less on my recovery tools. That I can do :D

I will mark this thread 'Solved' :cool:
Thanks to all who responded (y)

Edit: Lo and behold, right after posting this, I noticed the following case in point
Use Caution with the April Patch Tuesday Cumulative Update!
 
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I looked at the tools that I made on USB sticks and DVDs: install, recovery, repair, rescue, and wonder how useful they are considering all the tools that are already provided on-board these days? (or downloadable, fresh download vs. x-year old download)

What can't be done with the on-board or downloadable tools?
I tried that once, and with all the updates I was constantly replacing apps on the USB stick so I gave up it.
 

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All in all it sounds like I should rely more on my backup tools and rely less on my recovery tools. That I can do :D

I will mark this thread 'Solved' :cool:
Thanks to all who responded (y)

Edit: Lo and behold, right after posting this, I noticed the following case in point
Use Caution with the April Patch Tuesday Cumulative Update!

I rather tend to take posts like above with a pinch of salt.

No matter what upgrade happens, statistically somebody somewhere will get an issue.

To be fair, poster says "use with caution".

In the end, what caution can you really take?:

1) do not install it based on one post (harder said than done)

or

2) make an image backup, update and try it, knowing you can revert.

No contest really is it?

Ok, the warning may prompt you to make that image backup.

I have seen other post much more strongly e.g. "Do not install this update......", the logic being I have had issues thus all 1 billion users will get issues! These ones are more scaremongering and unhelpful.
 

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I tried that once, and with all the updates I was constantly replacing apps on the USB stick so I gave up it.
I have great respect for the Win10XPE software but I rather agree that it is more hassle keeping everything up to date, and recompiling iso all the time you make a change.

For some, the Win10PXE has become very advanced to the point it is almost a mini windows OS.

TBH, it is just simply easier to create a Windows To Go usb drive, install apps you need, and then software updates are mostly a few simple clicks and no hassle in updating drive.

OK with a WTG drive, you really need a 32GB usb drive, but now such a drive is less than £10, it is no big deal anymore.
 

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TBH, it is just simply easier to create a Windows To Go usb drive, install apps you need, and then software updates are mostly a few simple clicks and no hassle in updating drive.
I seem to remember that Windows-To-Go only runs on the host machine on which it is created (unless you pay up for a separate license). If the host machine is down, then the WTG is also down?

So, if I want operational continuity, then I pay up for a separate license for the WTG?
 

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