Trying out Windows 11


ArthurDent

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Okay, so this may be a stupid question but here goes ...

Given that M$oft hold a digital licence to activate Windows, is there any way to install Windows 11 on a hard disk/SSD of a Windows 10 machine to "try before you buy" and if you upgrade to Win 11, is there any restriction in winding backwards to Windows 10 (apart from the 10/14 day thing?)

What I'm thinking is this.

Clone the HDD/SSD of a Windows 10 machine, do an upgrade to Windows 11 to "try it out", then either (a) carry on with Win 11 on the cloned drive or (b) re-fit the original Windows 10 HDD/SSD. Would this scenario work or would M$oft recognise that that particular machine had been upgraded to 11 and would no longer allow/let Win 10 to work (I'm also thinking of activated Office programs here too).

Alternatively, is it easy enough to partition a HDD/SSD and put Windows 11 in the new partition (is this a virtual disk?) and if yes,how exactly does one go about carrying out that procedure.

My wife's laptop wanted to suddenly upgrade to Windows 11 the other day and I don't think she'll be a fan. Having said that, I have very little knowledge of 11 apart from the fact that generally it isn't a well-liked OS and also that the TPM module essentially means kissing goodbye (possibly in the medium to longer term) to any thoughts of "privacy". A little knowledge is a dangerous thing - no?

Thanks in advance,

Art
 

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  • OS
    Windows 10 21H2 Build 19044.1415
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Zoostorm
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 3340 @ 3.1 GHz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2
    Memory
    8Gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell P2719H
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 870 EVO 500Gb SSD (boot drive), Toshiba x300 5TB HDD (main data drive), Toshiba X300 3TB HDD (backup data drive)
    PSU
    Corsair CX750M
    Internet Speed
    380 Mbps Fibre
Okay, so this may be a stupid question but here goes ...

Given that M$oft hold a digital licence to activate Windows, is there any way to install Windows 11 on a hard disk/SSD of a Windows 10 machine to "try before you buy" and if you upgrade to Win 11, is there any restriction in winding backwards to Windows 10 (apart from the 10/14 day thing?)
The PC's digital licence will activate Windows 10 or Windows 11, there is no difference as far as the activation servers are concerned, the digital licence is valid for both, you can swap between W10 and W11 as often as you like.

If you'd like to try out Windows 11 without having to upgrade your Windows 10, then you could dual boot with Windows 11 in a native boot vhdx file. As long as you install the same edition of Windows 11 as your current Windows 10 (Home or Pro) then both will activate from your PC's existing digital licence. You could even clone your W10 to the vhdx, then try the upgrade to W11.

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Thanks for the quick reply Bree - however ...

I have no idea what a "native boot vhdx" file is, nor how to create one.

I'll take a look at the link you posted to see if that explains things.

Update: so the first thing I see is "Native Boot allows you to create a virtual hard disk (VHDX), install Windows to it, and then boot it up, either on your PC side-by-side with your existing installation, or on a new device." but then the first instruction says "Copy the Windows 11 VHDX file" and previously "The Windows 11 VHDX file used in this tutorial was created with a Hyper-V Windows 11 virtual machine, and copied to the OS to dual boot with."

Not making much sense so far it has to be said!


Art
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 21H2 Build 19044.1415
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Zoostorm
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 3340 @ 3.1 GHz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2
    Memory
    8Gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell P2719H
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 870 EVO 500Gb SSD (boot drive), Toshiba x300 5TB HDD (main data drive), Toshiba X300 3TB HDD (backup data drive)
    PSU
    Corsair CX750M
    Internet Speed
    380 Mbps Fibre
My wife's laptop wanted to suddenly upgrade to Windows 11 the other day and I don't think she'll be a fan.
I have clients my age [84], a couple older and some younger, that are not having any issues with using Win11 but they don't dig into the mechanisms of Windows.

I got my first computer in '92, retired late '94 and week later had a job in a computer store, been using all versions since 3.1 and NT 3.5 since, never owned an ME or Vista but have had to work on them.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro RTM
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
    Memory
    12GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA, using a DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dell
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 2TB WDC HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security
I have clients my age [84], a couple older and some younger, that are not having any issues with using Win11 but they don't dig into the mechanisms of Windows.

I got my first computer in '92, retired late '94 and week later had a job in a computer store, been using all versions since 3.1 and NT 3.5 since, never owned an ME or Vista but have had to work on them.
Haha,

You don't know my wife. Luddite hardly covers it!

Art
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 21H2 Build 19044.1415
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Zoostorm
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 3340 @ 3.1 GHz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2
    Memory
    8Gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell P2719H
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 870 EVO 500Gb SSD (boot drive), Toshiba x300 5TB HDD (main data drive), Toshiba X300 3TB HDD (backup data drive)
    PSU
    Corsair CX750M
    Internet Speed
    380 Mbps Fibre
You have my sympathy or I can suggest getting Refurbished computers. My wife has taken over my 13" refurb Dell Latitude I got in '19, hasn't broken it yet.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro RTM
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
    Memory
    12GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA, using a DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dell
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 2TB WDC HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security
Looking into it, Hyper-V only seems to work on 64-bit Windows 10/11 Pro / Enterprise or Education, not Home.

The machine I had envisaged using as a test machine is only running Win10 Home

Is there a way to set up a VM on Windows 10 Home?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 21H2 Build 19044.1415
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Zoostorm
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 3340 @ 3.1 GHz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2
    Memory
    8Gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell P2719H
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 870 EVO 500Gb SSD (boot drive), Toshiba x300 5TB HDD (main data drive), Toshiba X300 3TB HDD (backup data drive)
    PSU
    Corsair CX750M
    Internet Speed
    380 Mbps Fibre
Looking into it, Hyper-V only seems to work on 64-bit Windows 10/11 Pro / Enterprise or Education, not Home.

The machine I had envisaged using as a test machine is only running Win10 Home

Is there a way to set up a VM on Windows 10 Home?
Native booting from a vhdx is NOT running a VM. The only thing 'virtual' about it is the drive it's running from. Instead of an HDD or SSD it's a .vhdx file that has been mounted as a virtual drive. You can easily create a virtual drive in Home, just use Disk Management.

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Once a virtual drive has been mounted you can treat it as you would any other drive, partition it, format it, or clone another drive to it. All the normal tools can be used, Partition Wizard, for example. In fact, I'm running Windows 11 as a native boot .vhdx on the laptop I'm using now. The laptop has Windows 10 installed on its one and only SSD, and Disk 2, the virtual drive containing this Windows 11 is actually a .vhdx file in the E:Data partition on Disk 1.

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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Thanks once again, Bree

Can't sort this right now, it will be a few days as we are having the kitchen re-done (courtesy of last October's Storm Babet) and the house is in absolute turmoil (and wiil be until Friday this week) and there's no space to work!

Art
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 21H2 Build 19044.1415
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Zoostorm
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 3340 @ 3.1 GHz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2
    Memory
    8Gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell P2719H
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 870 EVO 500Gb SSD (boot drive), Toshiba x300 5TB HDD (main data drive), Toshiba X300 3TB HDD (backup data drive)
    PSU
    Corsair CX750M
    Internet Speed
    380 Mbps Fibre
Thanks once again, Bree

Can't sort this right now.....
That's OK, there's no need to rush. At least you should understand the tutorial a bit better next time you read it.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Okay, so this may be a stupid question but here goes ...

Given that M$oft hold a digital licence to activate Windows, is there any way to install Windows 11 on a hard disk/SSD of a Windows 10 machine to "try before you buy" and if you upgrade to Win 11, is there any restriction in winding backwards to Windows 10 (apart from the 10/14 day thing?)

What I'm thinking is this.

Clone the HDD/SSD of a Windows 10 machine, do an upgrade to Windows 11 to "try it out", then either (a) carry on with Win 11 on the cloned drive or (b) re-fit the original Windows 10 HDD/SSD. Would this scenario work or would M$oft recognise that that particular machine had been upgraded to 11 and would no longer allow/let Win 10 to work (I'm also thinking of activated Office programs here too).

Alternatively, is it easy enough to partition a HDD/SSD and put Windows 11 in the new partition (is this a virtual disk?) and if yes,how exactly does one go about carrying out that procedure.

My wife's laptop wanted to suddenly upgrade to Windows 11 the other day and I don't think she'll be a fan. Having said that, I have very little knowledge of 11 apart from the fact that generally it isn't a well-liked OS and also that the TPM module essentially means kissing goodbye (possibly in the medium to longer term) to any thoughts of "privacy". A little knowledge is a dangerous thing - no?

Thanks in advance,

Art
Answering your question, yes you can clone the Win 10 to a HDD or SSD and then upgrade to Win 11.
As you have a unsupported hardware you must tweak your Win 11 installation files first.

 
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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 7 HP 64 - Windows 11 Pro - Lubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    custom build
    CPU
    i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4400MHz
    Motherboard
    GA-Z170-HD3P
    Memory
    4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    IG - Intel 530
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Win 11
    (2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
    (3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
    (4) -1 BX500 SSD - 128G for Windows 7 and Lubuntu
    PSU
    Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold
    Keyboard
    Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some)
    Internet Speed
    500 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
  • Operating System
    Windows 7 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Q550LF
    CPU
    i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Q550LF
    Memory
    (4+4)G DDR3 1600
    Graphics card(s)
    IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
    & 1T HDD for data
    Internet Speed
    350 Mb/s
    Browser
    Firefox 64
@ArthurDent

Keep an eye out though.
If the computer says that 9x6=42, you'll "know" you're on Windows 11. :-)
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22631.3447 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home x64 Version 23H2 Build 22631.3447
(apart from the 10/14 day thing?)
Besides, you can extend the time limit beyond that.

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 [rev. 3447]
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC12WSHi7
    CPU
    12th Gen Intel Core i7-1260P, 2100 MHz
    Motherboard
    NUC12WSBi7
    Memory
    64 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    built-in Realtek HD audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3219Q
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 990 PRO 1TB
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical Keyboard with Cherry MX Clears
  • Operating System
    Linux Mint 21.2 (Cinnamon)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Intel NUC8i5BEH
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-8259U CPU @ 2.30GHz
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Iris Plus 655
    Keyboard
    CODE 104-Key Mechanical Keyboard - Cherry MX Clear
Thank you all for the replies - including Ghot who seems to be a Frood who really seems to know where his towel is at!

Won't be able to do anything for a few days (see post#9). It is almost like we're living in a poky hotel room atm.

Art
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 21H2 Build 19044.1415
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Zoostorm
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 3340 @ 3.1 GHz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-H61M-DS2
    Memory
    8Gb
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell P2719H
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 870 EVO 500Gb SSD (boot drive), Toshiba x300 5TB HDD (main data drive), Toshiba X300 3TB HDD (backup data drive)
    PSU
    Corsair CX750M
    Internet Speed
    380 Mbps Fibre
Thank you all for the replies - including Ghot who seems to be a Frood who really seems to know where his towel is at!

Won't be able to do anything for a few days (see post#9). It is almost like we're living in a poky hotel room atm.

Art



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System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22631.3447 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
Art,

Are you still considering the VHDX idea?
If so, we might usefully compare notes as we go along.
I've never had anything to do with VHDX before so we're both in the same boat.

I'm trying to run Windows 11 on a low spec [Chuwi Hi10Pro] Windows 10 Home computer that refuses to complete any In-place upgrade or Clean install procedure [possibly because it has a rather strange boot arrangement].
I used the tutorial to create a VHDX file on Windows 11 Home.
Create VHDX file - ElevenForumTutorials
And, when copying it across completes in an hour or so I will attempt to complete the job using this other tutorial.
Native Boot Windows 11 VHDX - ElevenForumTutorials

I'm going to test it out, play with it, for a while before turning to what will become my most serious concern, Windows 11 Version updates.
- I believe that routine & Cumulative updates will not be a problem.
- I've been collecting links to posts about VHDX Version updates. I don't yet understand the one that claims to be a solution and I'm hoping that my playing around will educate me sufficiently.

I did once try a sort-of-WindowsToGo arrangement and Windows 11 ran decently on this awkward computer but it all fell apart when I ran a Cumulative update.


All the best,
Denis
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home x64 Version 23H2 Build 22631.3447
I'm going to test it out, play with it, for a while before turning to what will become my most serious concern, Windows 11 Version updates.
- I believe that routine & Cumulative updates will not be a problem.
- I've been collecting links to posts about VHDX Version updates. I don't yet understand the one that claims to be a solution and I'm hoping that my playing around will educate me sufficiently.
I have been using vhdx native boot for years now, mainly for dual booting Insider builds without disturbing the main install of Windows. There is just one thing I cannot do in a vhdx install, I cannot use Hibernate.

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There's one precaution you need to be aware of. You have most likely chosen to use an expanding vhdx in order not to use up all your disk space. It is important to make sure that there is enough free space on the partition holding an expanding vhdx for it to temporarily expand to its maximum size while booted from. If the free space gets too low a native boot vhdx will BSoD at boot with the stop code: VHD BOOT HOST VOLUME NOT ENOUGH SPACE. If you are tight on space, it is perfectly possible to native boot from a .vhdx that is on an external drive, if that drive is an SSD it will be quite fast enough too be a practical solution. Also, note that the swapfile will not be in the vhdx, it will be created on the partition that holds the .vhdx file.

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As for updates, there is no difference at all. Cumulative and other updates will install normally. The only catch is that, as with any dual boot PC, you will need to select the right OS after the restart so it can complete the install.

If you run Insider builds as I do then Feature Updates are a regular occurrence, typically weekly for the Dev and Canary channels. For Windows 10 it used to be that you couldn't perform an in-place upgrade for an OS on a vhdx. For Windows 11 that is no longer the case. That came as a pleasant surprise for me back in April 2022 when I started using native boot for the first time. This time you will not need to be careful to choose the right OS at reboot, a Feature Update will also set itself as being the default boot OS. You may want to change that back after the update completes.

Well, I was under the impression that you couldn't do an in-place upgrade on a native boot .vhdx system.

I had put a vhdx of 22593 on a little 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e so that I could play with test the tablet optimised taskbar. When Windows Update offered the 22598 build I let it install, just to see what would happen. What happened was a completely normal and successful feature update....
That vhdx install now has a long history of Feature Updates.

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
Bree,

Thank you so much for responding.

I had found an earlier post of yours that refers to a script somebody had written that made Version updates possible for VHDX but if I don't even have to bother with that all should be well.

I'm having to restart my VHDX attempt. My first attempt created a defective VHDX.


Back tomorrow,
Denis
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home x64 Version 23H2 Build 22631.3447
@ArthurDent

Keep an eye out though.
If the computer says that 9x6=42, you'll "know" you're on Windows 11. :-)
Well, of course, 9x6 does equal 42 if the unlucky 13 number is ised in a special way.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0

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