User can access share only if that user is granted permission, not when Admin group (which he is a member of) is given permission


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This has been an issue that I've observed for a long time, but I've ignored it simply because there is such an easy workaround. It's finally bugging me enough that I thought I'd try to understand what is happening.

Let's suppose that I have the following scenario:

I have Windows 10 or 11 Pro. I log on as JohnDoe and JohnDoe is a member of the Administrators group.

I create a share and give both read and write access to the Administrators group.

Now, I try to connect to that share from another computer using the username JohnDoe but am denied access.

Next, I modify the share permissions to specifically add the user JohnDoe with read and write access.

After doing this, JohnDoe can access the share successfully.

Question: Why can JohnDoe not access the share when the Administrators group is given access but only when JohnDoe is specifically added to the share permissions? Again, bear in mind that JohnDoe is a member of Administrators.
 

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Question: Why can JohnDoe not access the share when the Administrators group is given access but only when JohnDoe is specifically added to the share permissions? Again, bear in mind that JohnDoe is a member of Administrators.
Because, under some circumstances, especially in 'work environments', you may not want all users with administrative privileges to be able to access a shared folder that's only intended for use by a specific sub-group; and the alternative would be to have many more named groups to manage.
 

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Because, under some circumstances, especially in 'work environments', you may not want all users with administrative privileges to be able to access a shared folder that's only intended for use by a specific sub-group; and the alternative would be to have many more named groups to manage.
If I didn't want all Administrators to have access to a resource, then I would not add the "Administrators" group to the to the permissions :-).

That's why you have the ability to create customized groups into which you can add specific users.
 

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I agree, this does not make sense. Managing groups and its members is exacltly the purpose so that specific user groups can be given access to specific features.

But have you tried to create a new group "SMBUsers" or some other name and tried given that group permissions. Maybe the Administrators group is special?
 

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One idea:

Try logging in as JohnDoe@RemoteComputerName instead of just JohnDoe.
 
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OK, I see your issue now...I have same problem connecting from a Windows 10 computer into a Windows 11 computer. No Permissions. :think:
 

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Permissions also works if you use the Everyone group...but not using any other groups, even if the group has been given ALL network and folder permissions. This is weird...
 

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Share perms and NTFS perms are 2 diff. things. When you create a shared folder in the share perms. you add Everyone and give them R/W access and in the Adv. Perms. you remove everyone and give access to the spec. grp or people you do want to share with
 

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Share perms and NTFS perms are 2 diff. things. When you create a shared folder in the share perms. you add Everyone and give them R/W access and in the Adv. Perms. you remove everyone and give access to the spec. grp or people you do want to share with
Yeah, that does not work...
 

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This issue is a Windows 10/11 problem...works perfectly between Win10 computers...not sure about Win11 computers...
 

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Could this be an issue on non domain connected devices? :think:
 

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:think:

Seems Windows permissions are a bit weird...If "Everyone" is given full access, then everything works, but for some reason even after adding a group with less permissions everyone still has full access.

If Everyone is left out, then nobody has access. Not even administrators even if the group has full access. Does not make any difference if permissions are modified on filesystem level, share level or both. Everyone access is required.

I don't remember this being this odd. Although Windows permission management has always been a bit weird.

Too many patched protection layers?
 

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    Lenovo A485
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700U Pro
    Motherboard
    Lenovo (WiFi/BT module upgraded to Intel Wireless-AC-9260)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    iGPU Vega 10
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" FHD (built-in) + 14" Lenovo Thinkvision M14t (touch+pen) + 32" Asus PB328
    Screen Resolution
    FHD + FHD + 1440p
    Hard Drives
    Intel 660p m.2 nVME PCIe3.0 x2 512GB
    PSU
    125W(Dock)/65W(Travel Adapter)
    Keyboard
    Thinkpad / Logitech MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    1/1Gbit
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    SecureBoot: Enabled
    TPM2.0: Enabled
    AMD-V: Enabled
  • At a glance

    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8521(RP)i7-7700k @4.8GHz32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Operating System
    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8521(RP)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    i7-7700k @4.8GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus PRIME Z270-A
    Memory
    32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" 10-bit Asus PB328Q
    Screen Resolution
    WQHD 2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB ADATA SX8000NP NVMe PCIe Gen 3 x4
    PSU
    850W
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black
    Keyboard
    Logitech MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    1/1Gbit
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    AC WiFi Card
Windows 11 does seem to be more onerous than W10. I find I have to set up user credentials to make it work reliably.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ16 GB solderedIntegrated Intel Iris XE
OS
Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
Computer type
Laptop
Manufacturer/Model
ASUS Zenbook 14
CPU
I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
Motherboard
Yep, Laptop has one.
Memory
16 GB soldered
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel Iris XE
Sound Card
Realtek built in
Monitor(s) Displays
laptop OLED screen
Screen Resolution
2880x1800 touchscreen
Hard Drives
1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
PSU
Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
Case
Yep, got one
Cooling
Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
Keyboard
Built in UK keybd
Mouse
Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
Internet Speed
900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
Browser
Edge
Antivirus
Defender
Other Info
TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

Macrium Reflect Home V8
Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
Yeah, I tried this locally on a Win11 machine and I could not make it work so that default acces is zero and depending on group I give more and more access.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8457 / Linux Mint 22.3Ryzen 7 2700U Pro32GBiGPU Vega 10
    OS
    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8457 / Linux Mint 22.3
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo A485
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700U Pro
    Motherboard
    Lenovo (WiFi/BT module upgraded to Intel Wireless-AC-9260)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    iGPU Vega 10
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" FHD (built-in) + 14" Lenovo Thinkvision M14t (touch+pen) + 32" Asus PB328
    Screen Resolution
    FHD + FHD + 1440p
    Hard Drives
    Intel 660p m.2 nVME PCIe3.0 x2 512GB
    PSU
    125W(Dock)/65W(Travel Adapter)
    Keyboard
    Thinkpad / Logitech MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    1/1Gbit
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    SecureBoot: Enabled
    TPM2.0: Enabled
    AMD-V: Enabled
  • At a glance

    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8521(RP)i7-7700k @4.8GHz32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Operating System
    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8521(RP)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    i7-7700k @4.8GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus PRIME Z270-A
    Memory
    32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" 10-bit Asus PB328Q
    Screen Resolution
    WQHD 2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB ADATA SX8000NP NVMe PCIe Gen 3 x4
    PSU
    850W
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black
    Keyboard
    Logitech MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    1/1Gbit
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    AC WiFi Card
Yeah, I tried this locally on a Win11 machine and I could not make it work so that default acces is zero and depending on group I give more and more access.
Yeah - it is a mess. I cannot say if it is bugs or W11 is more onerous - I suspect a combination of both.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ16 GB solderedIntegrated Intel Iris XE
OS
Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
Computer type
Laptop
Manufacturer/Model
ASUS Zenbook 14
CPU
I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
Motherboard
Yep, Laptop has one.
Memory
16 GB soldered
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel Iris XE
Sound Card
Realtek built in
Monitor(s) Displays
laptop OLED screen
Screen Resolution
2880x1800 touchscreen
Hard Drives
1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
PSU
Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
Case
Yep, got one
Cooling
Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
Keyboard
Built in UK keybd
Mouse
Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
Internet Speed
900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
Browser
Edge
Antivirus
Defender
Other Info
TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

Macrium Reflect Home V8
Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
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